The coming decline of Aviation
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Chimbu,
I agree with many of your comments. Unfortunately, most of your arguments can apply to both sides.
“. . .by instilling fear in the people within their sphere of influence” is precisely what leaders in the west have been doing for decades. Those citizens of the “evil” nations do not have a monopoly on manipulation and media control, they just do it more overtly than here in the “good” countries.
“65 years the arabs have been trying this on....it's got feckall to do with oil.”
You don’t think oil was a major factor behind Britain carving up the Middle East in the years following WWII?
Let’s face it, if the Arabs didn’t have oil and Israel was populated by Eskimos, the current conflict would not even rate a mention on page 3 of the newspaper. Why is it so important? Why does the US spend more on arming a country the size of New Jersey than nearly any other country on Earth?
Titan,
“What tends to be the overriding driver of most countries foreign policy . . is to strengthen their own economies and therefore the living conditions and prosperity of their citizens”.
No, the “overriding driver of most countries foreign policy” is to protect the systems that allow those in power to retain control.
“I ask you, what do you think Australia would do if a Terrorist organisation in Indonesia had rocket technology that could reach most Australian capitals and they started using them?”
You mean Delta Thor rocket technology or bottle rocket technology?
I agree with many of your comments. Unfortunately, most of your arguments can apply to both sides.
“. . .by instilling fear in the people within their sphere of influence” is precisely what leaders in the west have been doing for decades. Those citizens of the “evil” nations do not have a monopoly on manipulation and media control, they just do it more overtly than here in the “good” countries.
“65 years the arabs have been trying this on....it's got feckall to do with oil.”
You don’t think oil was a major factor behind Britain carving up the Middle East in the years following WWII?
Let’s face it, if the Arabs didn’t have oil and Israel was populated by Eskimos, the current conflict would not even rate a mention on page 3 of the newspaper. Why is it so important? Why does the US spend more on arming a country the size of New Jersey than nearly any other country on Earth?
Titan,
“What tends to be the overriding driver of most countries foreign policy . . is to strengthen their own economies and therefore the living conditions and prosperity of their citizens”.
No, the “overriding driver of most countries foreign policy” is to protect the systems that allow those in power to retain control.
“I ask you, what do you think Australia would do if a Terrorist organisation in Indonesia had rocket technology that could reach most Australian capitals and they started using them?”
You mean Delta Thor rocket technology or bottle rocket technology?
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Chimbu,
I agree with many of your comments. Unfortunately, most of your arguments can apply to both sides.
“. . .by instilling fear in the people within their sphere of influence” is precisely what leaders in the west have been doing for decades. Those citizens of the “evil” nations do not have a monopoly on manipulation and media control, they just do it more overtly than here in the “good” countries.
“65 years the arabs have been trying this on....it's got feckall to do with oil.”
You don’t think oil was a major factor behind Britain carving up the Middle East in the years following WWII?
Let’s face it, if the Arabs didn’t have oil and Israel was populated by Eskimos, the current conflict would not even rate a mention on page 3 of the newspaper. Why is it so important? Why does the US spend more on arming a country the size of New Jersey than nearly any other country on Earth?
Titan,
“What tends to be the overriding driver of most countries foreign policy . . is to strengthen their own economies and therefore the living conditions and prosperity of their citizens”.
No, the “overriding driver of most countries foreign policy” is to protect the systems that allow those in power to retain control.
“I ask you, what do you think Australia would do if a Terrorist organisation in Indonesia had rocket technology that could reach most Australian capitals and they started using them?”
You mean Delta Thor rocket technology or bottle rocket technology?
I agree with many of your comments. Unfortunately, most of your arguments can apply to both sides.
“. . .by instilling fear in the people within their sphere of influence” is precisely what leaders in the west have been doing for decades. Those citizens of the “evil” nations do not have a monopoly on manipulation and media control, they just do it more overtly than here in the “good” countries.
“65 years the arabs have been trying this on....it's got feckall to do with oil.”
You don’t think oil was a major factor behind Britain carving up the Middle East in the years following WWII?
Let’s face it, if the Arabs didn’t have oil and Israel was populated by Eskimos, the current conflict would not even rate a mention on page 3 of the newspaper. Why is it so important? Why does the US spend more on arming a country the size of New Jersey than nearly any other country on Earth?
Titan,
“What tends to be the overriding driver of most countries foreign policy . . is to strengthen their own economies and therefore the living conditions and prosperity of their citizens”.
No, the “overriding driver of most countries foreign policy” is to protect the systems that allow those in power to retain control.
“I ask you, what do you think Australia would do if a Terrorist organisation in Indonesia had rocket technology that could reach most Australian capitals and they started using them?”
You mean Delta Thor rocket technology or bottle rocket technology?
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We can only hope that the Australian Lebanese repatriated from their local brothers sh!tfight in Beirut that threatens world peace, who declared their "love" for Australia, will, "counsel" their youth who feel it is their Australian democratic right to abuse and violate Australian women and beat up on Australian freedoms to enjoy Australia.
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Woomera said - You have no proof that the children writing on the shells are Israeli.
Except that they were standing in front of a Merkava tank.
Woomera said - You have no proof that they are recent and not years old, You have no proof that the shells pictured are the ones that were used to inflict the suffering in the other pictures.It is sensationalist, emotive propaganda....and has no place on this website.
True, it is. Why then do you allow Chimbu chuckles to refer to CNN when they present nothing more than sensationalist, emotive propoganda too.
Woomera, have you been to media school or do you just cencor the things that dont agree with your side of the argument.
Except that they were standing in front of a Merkava tank.
Woomera said - You have no proof that they are recent and not years old, You have no proof that the shells pictured are the ones that were used to inflict the suffering in the other pictures.It is sensationalist, emotive propaganda....and has no place on this website.
True, it is. Why then do you allow Chimbu chuckles to refer to CNN when they present nothing more than sensationalist, emotive propoganda too.
Woomera, have you been to media school or do you just cencor the things that dont agree with your side of the argument.
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I don't consider posting links to pictures of dead and mangled 4 year olds is appropriate to this thread topic....or any other that might be started on this website.
Chuckles made his point with words and is as entitled to his opinion as anyone...if he starts posting links in the same vein as your links he will be treated identically.
Believe me if I or the other Woomeras started censoring everything we didn't personally agree with this website would be very quiet indeed...in fact it would implode.
Is that clear enough for you?
Woomera
Chuckles made his point with words and is as entitled to his opinion as anyone...if he starts posting links in the same vein as your links he will be treated identically.
Believe me if I or the other Woomeras started censoring everything we didn't personally agree with this website would be very quiet indeed...in fact it would implode.
Is that clear enough for you?
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Contact on the Port Bow:
Contact on the port Bow Captain!
What is it Mr Spock?
I don't know Jim! my sensors show it to be powered by some sort of fossil fuel Jim !
What is it Spock?
Well jim it appears to be some form of ancient aviation!
BUT NOT AS WE KNOW IT JIM!
Some interseting web site's:
www.automotivedigest.com/view
www.nytimes.com/2006
An article 26th July 1979 by Alice M Rivlin at
www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm
Another by Thom Shanker
www.nytimes .com/2006/05/14/us/14fuel
And another by Matthew L Wald Wed July 5th 2006
www.iht.com
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What is it Mr Spock?
I don't know Jim! my sensors show it to be powered by some sort of fossil fuel Jim !
What is it Spock?
Well jim it appears to be some form of ancient aviation!
BUT NOT AS WE KNOW IT JIM!
Some interseting web site's:
www.automotivedigest.com/view
www.nytimes.com/2006
An article 26th July 1979 by Alice M Rivlin at
www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm
Another by Thom Shanker
www.nytimes .com/2006/05/14/us/14fuel
And another by Matthew L Wald Wed July 5th 2006
www.iht.com
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As 404 Titan stated " What is going on with Israel and the other Middle Eastern countries is the same as what has been going on for the last 2000 years. The Arabs hate the Jews and the Jews hate the Arabs."
Interesting thing, it was with the assistance of various jewish armies that the muslims were able to defend Medina and save Mecca in what was known as "The Battle of the Trench"
Interesting thing, it was with the assistance of various jewish armies that the muslims were able to defend Medina and save Mecca in what was known as "The Battle of the Trench"
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Empathy
My apologies to all for a personal post.
To put the entire middle east conflict into a perspective that I currently adhere to (I am always open to debate) :
Imagine a piece of Australia (Lets say Wollongong through to Newcastle and out to the base of the blue mountains) carved up by the british colonial powers after WW11.
All traditional land owners forcibly evicted by the new settlers, (thats our parents), with us growing up in "temporary concentration camps", poor and malnourished, with the only available education being provided by religous leaders that are financially supported by fundamentalists with an agenda (apart from that of personal power) of recovering what had been rightfully ours.
What would your parents do, what would you be?
Empathy is a powerful tool.
The creation of the Jewish state by the British was never meant to succeeed.
Peace for all the children of Abraham depends upon the eradication of poverty and unbiased education for all. Then perhaps, peace in the middle East become achievable.
To put the entire middle east conflict into a perspective that I currently adhere to (I am always open to debate) :
Imagine a piece of Australia (Lets say Wollongong through to Newcastle and out to the base of the blue mountains) carved up by the british colonial powers after WW11.
All traditional land owners forcibly evicted by the new settlers, (thats our parents), with us growing up in "temporary concentration camps", poor and malnourished, with the only available education being provided by religous leaders that are financially supported by fundamentalists with an agenda (apart from that of personal power) of recovering what had been rightfully ours.
What would your parents do, what would you be?
Empathy is a powerful tool.
The creation of the Jewish state by the British was never meant to succeeed.
Peace for all the children of Abraham depends upon the eradication of poverty and unbiased education for all. Then perhaps, peace in the middle East become achievable.
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It would appear that the UN is only going to be mentioned because one of their Observation Posts was blown up.
They have been there, supposedly observing, since the Israeli"s pulled out of Southern Lebanon a number of years ago,
If they could not observe the multitude of rockets, and preparation for conflict that the hezbollah were busy cooking up, then surely all the righteous clammer when their ""Observation Post!!!" is not observed in the middle of clusters of rocket launchers is overkill???
They have been there, supposedly observing, since the Israeli"s pulled out of Southern Lebanon a number of years ago,
If they could not observe the multitude of rockets, and preparation for conflict that the hezbollah were busy cooking up, then surely all the righteous clammer when their ""Observation Post!!!" is not observed in the middle of clusters of rocket launchers is overkill???
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And the Jews just mysteriously appeared in Palestine in 1949. I got news for you they have been there for thousands of years as well. I would put it to you they had just as much right to the land as the Palestinians. They would tell you more. What the British did with the help of the Americans and Russians was to try and quell the fighting that had gone on between the Jews and Arabs for thousands of years. As can be seen it didn’t work and quite frankly I can’t see what will. To say one group has more rights to the land then the other in my opinion is naïve and shows a total lack of understanding of the problem.
And the Jews just mysteriously appeared in Palestine in 1949. I got news for you they have been there for thousands of years as well. I would put it to you they had just as much right to the land as the Palestinians. They would tell you more. What the British did with the help of the Americans and Russians was to try and quell the fighting that had gone on between the Jews and Arabs for thousands of years. As can be seen it didn’t work and quite frankly I can’t see what will. To say one group has more rights to the land then the other in my opinion is naïve and shows a total lack of understanding of the problem.
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Meanwhile....
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/27/news...xxon/index.htm
Exxon Mobil makes over $10 billion profit
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/27/news...xxon/index.htm
Exxon Mobil makes over $10 billion profit
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Exxon Mobil makes over $10 billion profit
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Update
Gudday all - well its been an interesting thread, a good variety of comments and thoughts from many people.........I am not a doomsayer, nor do I really care about politics - to much of that crap these days be it on Government, world bodies or in business......
The theory of peak oil is sound, 7 years research I have done has convinced me. I see some of the same tired old debunking arguements that the people who have posted haven't really researched. Well its not my job to tell you everything.........just remember when the airlines go bust and there is one or two flights a day between Syd and Bris for this who can afford it - I told you so! And when you cannot afford a house due to the excessive interest rates and depression, and you cannot afford to drive a car but have to catch public transport everywhere - remember I told you so.....
For those who doubt - watch what the Senate Inquiry reports in Oct this year......
It is better to plan and be prepared than lose all your hard earnt cash and assets because you failed to gain an understanding based on solid research........
And when you are all crying foul about the airlines collapsing - I will smile and think - I told them........at least I did the homework and am prepared in the best way possible - as well as earning a fair bit of dosh with put options........a bit rought really as it is your industry's demise that will set me up!!
Best Wishes
CaptR
The theory of peak oil is sound, 7 years research I have done has convinced me. I see some of the same tired old debunking arguements that the people who have posted haven't really researched. Well its not my job to tell you everything.........just remember when the airlines go bust and there is one or two flights a day between Syd and Bris for this who can afford it - I told you so! And when you cannot afford a house due to the excessive interest rates and depression, and you cannot afford to drive a car but have to catch public transport everywhere - remember I told you so.....
For those who doubt - watch what the Senate Inquiry reports in Oct this year......
It is better to plan and be prepared than lose all your hard earnt cash and assets because you failed to gain an understanding based on solid research........
And when you are all crying foul about the airlines collapsing - I will smile and think - I told them........at least I did the homework and am prepared in the best way possible - as well as earning a fair bit of dosh with put options........a bit rought really as it is your industry's demise that will set me up!!
Best Wishes
CaptR
CaptR
In one sentence you quote:
But in the next you quote:
This is the doomsday scenario peddled by some in the community.
Please don’t get on this website sir when you tell us quote:
Because it is now clear to all that you have a vested interest in peddling the doomsday scenario for your own financial gain. I personally doubt your research goes further than quoting a few left wing/green tree hugging websites. How can you come on here and gleefully hope that people who are trying to make an honest living will lose their money, jobs etc etc. Personally I hope you lose your money because people like you are scum. I look forward to seeing you fall from grace.
In one sentence you quote:
I am not a doomsayer,
just remember when the airlines go bust and there is one or two flights a day between Syd and Bris for this who can afford it - I told you so! And when you cannot afford a house due to the excessive interest rates and depression, and you cannot afford to drive a car but have to catch public transport everywhere - remember I told you so.....
Please don’t get on this website sir when you tell us quote:
And when you are all crying foul about the airlines collapsing - I will smile and think - I told them........at least I did the homework and am prepared in the best way possible - as well as earning a fair bit of dosh with put options........a bit rought really as it is your industry's demise that will set me up!!
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Yeh alright I see you have to be the pain in the arse spelling police. My only excuse is that I wrote that post at 3:00am local time after completing a sixteen hour sector half way around the world. How good is your spelling when you are tired?
By the way, I don’t think he’s a realist, I think he’s an opportunist. There is a very big difference.
Yeh alright I see you have to be the pain in the arse spelling police. My only excuse is that I wrote that post at 3:00am local time after completing a sixteen hour sector half way around the world. How good is your spelling when you are tired?
By the way, I don’t think he’s a realist, I think he’s an opportunist. There is a very big difference.
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You may of course, like each and everyone else, think what you like. There is no way your view's hold any more water than Capt R.
If after 16 hr sectors you feel inclined to call people "scum" because you disagree with their post, then I would suggest you stick to 8 hr sectors.
If after 16 hr sectors you feel inclined to call people "scum" because you disagree with their post, then I would suggest you stick to 8 hr sectors.
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Yes I do disagree with his doomsday scenario. That though wasn’t the reason for calling him what I did because in any decent society he is entitled to his opinion. The unfortunate reality is that some in this world will try and make a profit out of the misery and suffering of others. To then publicly come on this forum and gleefully acknowledge that is what he is doing in my book and many others is disgusting. It just goes to show the very low moral values some in this global community will stoop too just to try and make a buck. I just hope you sir have higher moral values than our friend CaptR but by the sound of it I doubt it.
Yes I do disagree with his doomsday scenario. That though wasn’t the reason for calling him what I did because in any decent society he is entitled to his opinion. The unfortunate reality is that some in this world will try and make a profit out of the misery and suffering of others. To then publicly come on this forum and gleefully acknowledge that is what he is doing in my book and many others is disgusting. It just goes to show the very low moral values some in this global community will stoop too just to try and make a buck. I just hope you sir have higher moral values than our friend CaptR but by the sound of it I doubt it.
