Airbus may offer Qantas a stop-gap
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Originally Posted by Going Boeing
....the purchasing department ordered 7 A330-200's and 6 A330-300's without any input from Engineering and Flight operations.
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Sounds like Airbus has its fair share of problems at present. Guvmints of France and Germany calling for some management heads to roll. (Historical response from the French.)
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Thanks for your detailed response Going Boeing. That fills in the gabs for me. Still enjoy paxing on the aircraft though. Maybe its because the A330 is a relatively new aircraft.
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If you enjoy paxing on the A330 you must be up the front end.
As the back end is a different story altogether.
The aircraft is known by engineers and cabin crew alike as the "vomit comet"
Endless amounts of pax vomit spewed over the last dozen rows of seats and floors.
The seat cover replacement is double that of the 767 and 747
If you enjoy paxing on the A330 you must be up the front end.
As the back end is a different story altogether.
The aircraft is known by engineers and cabin crew alike as the "vomit comet"
Endless amounts of pax vomit spewed over the last dozen rows of seats and floors.
The seat cover replacement is double that of the 767 and 747
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ordered A330-'s without any input from Engineering
My understanding was that a team of Qantas engineers went to Boeing and then to Airbus to inspect and evaluate both options. However after recommending that Q stay with Boeing and stay away from Airbus product, Airbus started throwing money and promises at GD and he ignored Engineering recommendations and went with Airbus because they were "cheap".
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Well GD did spend some time with Ansett when i was there and the A320 was verrrrrrrry successful for AN particularly eastern states to Perth...... hence maybe why Jetstar now have A320's as an economical solution for discount operations and GD thinks other models might work for QF and subsideries.
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What I meant was that there was no Engineering/Flight Operations input to the Ordering/Contract phase. There would have been a lot of extra things specified by these two branches if they had been involved. I also heard that Engineering had advised management to avoid the Airbus product but the bean counters couldn't look past the acquisition price.
What I meant was that there was no Engineering/Flight Operations input to the Ordering/Contract phase. There would have been a lot of extra things specified by these two branches if they had been involved. I also heard that Engineering had advised management to avoid the Airbus product but the bean counters couldn't look past the acquisition price.
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Delays with the A380?
Reminds me of another era when major delays with a European aircraft partly resulted in lost business. The Concorde had significant delays. By the time it was finally ready for delivery, Boeing had scooped the pool with the brand new 747 and the market had irrevocably changed. I get the impression a similar event is underway now.
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Not gloating just vindicated
From: AAP
July 06, 2006
MOODY'S Investors Service today affirmed the Baa1 long-term rating of Qantas Airways and changed the outlook to negative from stable.
As per post #33.
The rat is on the slippery slope, its time now for the shareholders to stand up and be counted. Maybe “Dirty Harry” said it right. “you gotta ask yourself, do I feel luck? Well do ya?”
It is time for a change, ask yourself why LH, AF, BA, SQ and CX are making money and returning value to shareholders while QF whines about crew cost and maintenance and fuel costs…..
Everybody else faces the same costs what is it that makes Australia’s so much different…… (oh yeah I almost forgot its your “productivity” bonus’)
Face it Coward St you have it wrong, your not leading by example, you have cut the wrong parts, disenfranchised the staff, bet on the wrong horse, all because you don’t listen to your own people.
Why is it that CRM teaches us to work as a team and use the crews experience and knowledge to arrive at the best answer.
While those in Coward St act as cowboy’s and not part of the “team” by continually displaying their contempt to anyone that may have a better idea or more specialised knowledge in a particular area.
July 06, 2006
MOODY'S Investors Service today affirmed the Baa1 long-term rating of Qantas Airways and changed the outlook to negative from stable.
As per post #33.
The rat is on the slippery slope, its time now for the shareholders to stand up and be counted. Maybe “Dirty Harry” said it right. “you gotta ask yourself, do I feel luck? Well do ya?”
It is time for a change, ask yourself why LH, AF, BA, SQ and CX are making money and returning value to shareholders while QF whines about crew cost and maintenance and fuel costs…..
Everybody else faces the same costs what is it that makes Australia’s so much different…… (oh yeah I almost forgot its your “productivity” bonus’)
Face it Coward St you have it wrong, your not leading by example, you have cut the wrong parts, disenfranchised the staff, bet on the wrong horse, all because you don’t listen to your own people.
Why is it that CRM teaches us to work as a team and use the crews experience and knowledge to arrive at the best answer.
While those in Coward St act as cowboy’s and not part of the “team” by continually displaying their contempt to anyone that may have a better idea or more specialised knowledge in a particular area.
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I've heard that there was a story on a German tv station that Airbus and EAD has sacked management with respect to the delay on the 380...has anyone else seen this story?
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Yes, it was in the papers here lowerlobe.
With regard to Dixon quoting the fuel prices et al, as a need for the downsizing & cost cutting, I really wouldn't worry if I was QF staff. I'm sure he'll raise all the previous manning levels & conditions once things settle down!......
With regard to Dixon quoting the fuel prices et al, as a need for the downsizing & cost cutting, I really wouldn't worry if I was QF staff. I'm sure he'll raise all the previous manning levels & conditions once things settle down!
......
What's your source Z force?
If true, it's amazing how QF has ended up with the fish that John West rejected, with higher fuel burn than than the 777-300, on the day oil hits a new record price and our "Dear Leader" -or "Great Leader" your choice - continues to blame high oil prices for QF's predicament.
They'd better be cheap!!!
If true, it's amazing how QF has ended up with the fish that John West rejected, with higher fuel burn than than the 777-300, on the day oil hits a new record price and our "Dear Leader" -or "Great Leader" your choice - continues to blame high oil prices for QF's predicament.
They'd better be cheap!!!
The extra airbii (plural ?) will be cheap - just like their crews.
How convenient that the lowest paid jet pilots in Oz are all endorsed on the Airbus and part of the 'Qantas Group'.
Surely it's a great opportunity for Qantas to put Boeing on the spot and see what they can come up and move away from the cheap Airbus crap once and for all.
TL
How convenient that the lowest paid jet pilots in Oz are all endorsed on the Airbus and part of the 'Qantas Group'.
Surely it's a great opportunity for Qantas to put Boeing on the spot and see what they can come up and move away from the cheap Airbus crap once and for all.
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I realise that this is just a remote possibility but imagaine the financial ramifications if QF and SIA and others cancelled the 380 because of further problems....
The European Governments would have to step in to save airbus...
The European Governments would have to step in to save airbus...
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Originally Posted by lowerlobe
I realise that this is just a remote possibility but imagaine the financial ramifications if QF and SIA and others cancelled the 380 because of further problems....
The European Governments would have to step in to save airbus...
The European Governments would have to step in to save airbus...
Oh, behave!
Lodown - apparently Forgeard's family sales kicked off in March.
What will be fun IMHO is if BAE's audit kicks up anything 'interesting'. None too happy at the Rothschild valuation.
