QF Cabin Crew Discussions

[Wed Webbing Woop]

Winter Garden

Seems to me someone lifted up a big rock in the garden and out crawls all the usual pests, slugs and bugs ( FA1d, Simon-his wife/"partner", dog/cat, budgie ).
Well spotted 'lobe.
For someone to make such a statement as FA1D to me just indicates that the Visitors think we are bigger fools than they first imagined.
I wonder which one it is...........-Action Jackson? Nah , too busy with his Clause 11 blitzkreig. Lurch...........nah, she's too busy calling people up after being off sick for 1 day !!!!
Anyway who cares. What comes around...... I say .
Wonder how many of the "true believers" will be responding to the ACTU's call to action this week. Again, the Mascot Pie-eaters bunker is very quiet on this issue. We don't want to upset Il Duce this week ......especially with Italy playing in the World Cup.
Pardon me while I just go out and have a technicoloured yawn.
www

[radiation junkie]

One more time!

Well put LL: faaa cheer squad & company imposters show up again..

I repeat: The FAAA seems to be just part of the "audience" looking on at the destruction of Qantas...... Probably about 1/3 of the threads are posted by fools that have never seen the inside of a Jumbo, such as fryagain, twiggs or simon...... Then we have the FAAA plants and the "Visitor" representatives. They must enjoy putting in their "bring it on" comments without knowing or caring about the real facts behind the whole GD bonus driven management.

Unfortunately, after 26 years as LH FA, I still care about the concept of QANTAS. All the gloom and doom senarios and reduced profit forcasts are a direct result of the "Billions" spent on establishing a cheaper airline and employing cheap staff from overseas that just don't care.

[B A Lert]

Good day Lurker. As you obviously have an intimate knowledge of all that is wrong with Qantas and it's management, why don't you share your thoughts with us as to what you would do to rectify these shortcomings were the Airline to be graced on EXCO with your presence, knowledge and skills. As management read thsese forums, perhaps they will pick up some ideas and concepts that they've not thought about! In fact, they would probably offer you a position on the management team.

Have a nice day.

[lowerlobe]

The real question is would any of the management listen?

Regardless of what anyone has to say,I doubt that Darth or any of the board would take any advice whatsoever.

Come to think about it,most QF management would never listen to anyone working at the coalface,they know all the answers and have their finger on the pulse at all times.We truly are lucky to have leaders of their calibre....

[argusmoon]

Petulant Pussies

You bunch of limpdicks.
You slag off and criticize every post but contribute nothing of substance.
There is a package available...take it!
Offer us your informed vision of the future without the vitriole.
The world has changed...I am not happy about it but I am seeking ways to make it palatable.

[argusmoon]

More of the same

You really are clutching at straws with your pithy little cliches.
Use that one neuron you have and come up with something original.
What do you know about AWAs?
Are they compulsory?
If not, what are the alternatives?
Show us that at least you know something about something,instead of shooting your mouth off about nothing.

[argusmoon]

Circle Lurker Jerker

Round and round in circles you go like a fly in the loungeroom on a hot summers night.
Try concentrating on one thing....your future.If you think you have one.
You can always go back to sharpening pencils at the NRMA
If you still own QF shares ..you are an idiot.
Everyone else sold when they hit $4

[argusmoon]

Tooth Fairy

If you believe in QF what happens to your future?
When the EBA expires what then?
You dont appear to know anything about AWAs.
So you will just bitch and complain on here and wait to be hit by a truck.
Be proactive find out what your options are.
Otherwise you will be doing 230 hrs/BP for $15 an hour...that wont pay your mortgage or keep your kids in sox.
You might believe in QF, but as a business entity, it doesnt give a rats bottom about you.
You are uninformed and angry.But what you are angry about is a mystery ...to YOU

[Woomera]

This thread is rapidly heading the way of it's predecessor. If the bitching between Left5 and Argus is the benchmark, you lot will never improve your situation Don't you play for the same team and have a common foe?

Play nice children. This is getting tedious and my patience is wearing thin

Woomera (Eastern States)

[radiation junkie]

Woomera and the rest !!

You have all totally lost the plot. So far no-one has shown us whether they are more informed than anyone else. Unfortunately it's too late to come up with anything original.
It's not about being informed.... We already know the facts. Bonus driven management destroying Qantas for short term greed. Unfortunately under the current management direction, there is no future for Qantas. GD will destroy Qantas mainline and do anything to make J* Asia and J*Int. a success.... for a while. Where does the money come from....Qantas LH and SH operations.
While GD slashes all divisions of Qantas and sends all Maintenance OS, he can prance around the board room with smoke and mirror accounting figures showing how much future savings Q can make. Bingo, he get's his fat bonus. J* is the ultimate ego trip for GD and the rest of the mushroon farm management go along for the ride. If any disagree or show some intelligent opposition... , they become part of the 1000 Management Restructure/Reduction cuts .
Yes we are victim to rising fuel costs as all airlines are. But the biggest cost hole is J* Asia, setup of J* Int. plus the operational costs of so called "cheaper" OS bases and staff. NOT overpriced LH crew as touted by GD.

It's all about GD's ego trip. And when J* Asia has bled us dry...J* Int becomes a shamble and "wetleased", re-painted and re-uniformed back to Qantas mainline..... Hey, they will be all gone with their big departure bonus and go looking for the next Australian Business Icon to destroy.

The FAAA are doing the best they can. Everyones hands are tied. The next EBA will show us if they have done any homework, or just wasted our resources.

This whole ****-fight is about one little man's big EGO trip. Rome is burning....
There is nothing you , I or the FAAA can do about it..........

Please tell me I'm wrong !

[cartexchange]

you're quite right RJ
Whilst the service levels and customer satisfaction continue to improve (and they are) management think they are doing the Right thing.
Crew are their own worst enemy!
QF management really believe that all is well and that crew are preforming better than ever.
Just have a look at the stupid ways crew behave with the PAX surveys, I have been on flights were there has been serious malfunctions in IFE and catering and other areas and the CSM's wont hand them out!
So management have no idea what's going on because crew filter a hell of a lot of information that goes back.

[Simon Templar]

Mrs T.

Radiation Junkie,......EBAs are finished.
Once this EBA expires its AWAs or the highway
You CAN do something...VOTE HOWARD OUT!!!
There is an election next year before the expiration of the EBA.
Make an informed choice

[mostie]

"You CAN do something...VOTE HOWARD OUT!!!"

Yes!!!!

[Simon Templar]

Rascist Outburst

What has that little outburst got to do with aviation????

[Simon Templar]

Mrs T.

Care to be more specific?

[Butterfield8]

This Thread is.....

Going going going .Whats the last bit Woomera?

[cartexchange]

Originally Posted by Lurker@L5

We was SO robbed.......I feel like spitting at someone!
(where's Sam when you really need him??)

Your credibility has been reduced to ZERO lurker, it was a game, don't be a sore loser and a tosser, its in your interest to delete such stupid remarks and name calling with that insidious racist remark!, its really not good for the Aussie image.

I for one distance myself from remarks like that! you tosser!

[speedbirdhouse]

Longhaul FAAA newsletter-

27 June 2006

Attention all Qantas Long Haul and Australian Airlines Flight Attendants

DON’T GET MAD GET EVEN!

At the outset I wish to state that I and most of the other officials of the FAAA are not members of the Labor Party (ALP). We are however, naturally supportive of the ALP’s industrial relations agenda being union officials.

The FAAA, for various reasons, including the fact that the FAAA realises its membership is reflective of the broader community and as such would have a significant component who would vote for the Liberal/National coalition, very rarely adopts a strong public political position.

However, we promised you when you elected us that we would always provide strong leadership and “tell it like it is”. Whilst we are here, we are not going to shirk from that commitment. If that means we recommend flexibilities such as the JFK dispensation, in order to protect job security, which was seen by some as pro Company, so be it. Similarly, if we have to publicly attack the current Federal Government or some unscrupulous employers, so be it.

In 2004, the Howard Government was re-elected with a controlling majority in both houses of Federal Parliament. That significant event meant that John Howard could finally implement the most cherished of his ideological beliefs, that of “industrial reform”.

Not content with the anti- union legislation enshrined in the Workplace Relations Act of 1996, John Howard and a “cabal” of ideologues who sit on the various employer peak bodies decided to go for “broke”. The offspring spawned from this ideology is titled the “WorkChoices” legislation and regulations of 2005 and 2006.

This disgraceful and despicable legislation means amongst other things that:-

A union cannot negotiate a clause in an EBA that restricts the engagement of labour hire workers and requirements relating to their conditions of their engagement. Hence, after the current Qantas EBA is replaced, the cap on overseas based flight attendants will be illegal.
A union cannot negotiate a clause in an EBA that confers a right of remedy in relation to harsh, unjust or unreasonable dismissal.
The Australian Industrial Relations Commission (AIRC) has been greatly weakened. For all new EBA’s it (the AIRC) cannot for example, even make compulsory orders arising from a dispute about the application of clauses in an EBA!
An employer can terminate you for “operational reasons”. Remember the Cowra abattoir workers a few months ago?
Ballots of members must be held to undertake industrial action. IF a ballot is successful the Federal Workplace Relations minister can nevertheless intervene to disallow such industrial action!
Employees rights and working conditions are being stripped away in the most crudest and provocative manner. Refer to the newsletter I issued a couple of weeks ago regarding the actions of Spotlight.
All of you should be terrified and outraged by the ‘WorkChoices” legislation. Make no mistake, John Howard, masquerades as the workers friend whilst his actions and that of his miserable government actually reflect the reality of who they are and what they are really about.

The “cabal” of John Howard’s supporters are some of the employers in this country, the same ones who disgracefully assert in the media that the Beazley plan to abolition AWA’s (individual workplace contracts) is a bad thing for workers. These are the same people who continually oppose the ACTU trying to get very small wage increases for those of our fellow employees, who receive the lowest wages in Australia. They are the same people who assert that small wage increases for Australian employees will result in the destruction of civilisation as we know it, whilst at the same time they give themselves huge salary and bonus increases. Talk about snouts in the trough!

The hypocrisy of this Government and these particular business leaders know no bounds. They talk about “choice, free enterprise, free markets, de-regulation”, whilst producing 1500 or so pages of the most anti- union legislation in the OECD and the western world.

This cabal obviously believe that it is fair and reasonable that employees must be regulated and controlled in order that they can “rip” people off, whilst employers have all the power shifted to them by the Howard Government.

Some of our members will be shocked by the language of this newsletter. It is however necessary because it is the duty of all unions in this country to now stand up for those who they represent, and impress upon their memberships what is at stake here.

The FAAA will ensure that come the next election, all of our members will understand the implications of re-electing this offensive Government.

The FAAA is saying and will continue to say, that in order to protect our conditions and our job security, a crushing rebuff to Howard, his Government and his supporters is essential.

This means every cabin crew member, their families and their friends should prepare to punish the Howard Government at the next election, for trying to change the fabric of our Australian society from a fair society to an unfair society.

We must be prepared to defend our industrial interests. We must defeat the Howard Government so that no future Government will ever again contemplate what Howard and his cohorts have done. These bad and unjust laws must be reversed. This Government must be thrown out of office.

The FAAA will use every means at its disposal to do our bit to ensure a crushing defeat of the Howard Government and a reversal of these anti- worker laws.

We hope that “wise” employers will resist the urge to utilise these laws before the next Federal election. No doubt, “unwise” employers who seek to utilise these unjust Howard laws, will be seen as opportunists and their actions remembered by their employees next year when the Howard Government is defeated.

In conclusion, John Howard’s Government told us in 2001 that refugees had thrown their children overboard into the sea, in 2002 they told us that there were all these weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to justify the invasion of Iraq, in the election of 2004 they told us that they were the workers friends. Well, “honest John” has gone too far this time. It’s time to tell “honest John” that we don’t appreciate his type of honesty and to throw him and his Government overboard.

Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.

[Wed Webbing Woop]

Hear ! Hear !

There's an old Aussie saying:
.........calls a spade a shovel !!!!"
In this case MM :
...............calls a spade a bloody front-end loader.
Darth and the Exec Team must be shaking in their boots.
Fuel prices at record levels, Share price at sickening levels, A-380 delays, Qantas Socceroos shafted.
To quote another Labor Party slogan:
ITS TIME!!!!!!!!

[cartexchange]

I'm glad the FAAA put out that newsletter.
Finally starting to show some balls