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Mmmm........D & G Forum eh??
"Airline and RPT issues in Australia and enZed."
Works for me.......
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Bad Adventures,
I heard 200-250.
My guess is that twice that figure or more are hanging out and ready to go.
"Airline and RPT issues in Australia and enZed."
Works for me.......
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Bad Adventures,
I heard 200-250.
My guess is that twice that figure or more are hanging out and ready to go.
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I have to say its a shame that we've all been tarred with the same brush. Not all of us (Qantas employees and Australians in general) are rude and some of us do try to contribute to this board positively.
But, the needs of many outweigh the few I guess
But, the needs of many outweigh the few I guess
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The other interesting part of the VR rumour package is whether the pay out will be like the last one or will it be reduced under the new IR laws to the suggested 10 weeks max.
If it is much the same as last time and is half decent,if it is indeed fact not fiction then I think there will be a landslide of applications.
If it is much the same as last time and is half decent,if it is indeed fact not fiction then I think there will be a landslide of applications.
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They tried it and it didn't work.
Those employed under these arrangements found it difficult to balance work/lifestyle issues..
No roster, at call, 10 days away and no security of income.
How DARE they expect to be able to have a life......
Those employed under these arrangements found it difficult to balance work/lifestyle issues..
No roster, at call, 10 days away and no security of income.
How DARE they expect to be able to have a life......
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So we are over here in the D and G zone.
Doesn't matter its all the same, whether we gather on the balcony or the kitchen its still a place to have discussions.
I find it strange that we get banned because of a comment made by "Rupert" who is English and not even Australian, have a look at his posts all he does is bag people out!(worse than me)
What disturbs me even further is that On another site there is a rampant discussion going on about BA CC poisoning pilots and some of the things being said on there even made me worry! Yet I don't see anything about stopping that ridiculous discussion, looks like its OK post things like that if your British!
Anyway lets get the ball rolling.
Do you really think the people will take this VR if it comes out or is it just talk amd hype again from some of the old codgers.
Doesn't matter its all the same, whether we gather on the balcony or the kitchen its still a place to have discussions.
I find it strange that we get banned because of a comment made by "Rupert" who is English and not even Australian, have a look at his posts all he does is bag people out!(worse than me)
What disturbs me even further is that On another site there is a rampant discussion going on about BA CC poisoning pilots and some of the things being said on there even made me worry! Yet I don't see anything about stopping that ridiculous discussion, looks like its OK post things like that if your British!
Anyway lets get the ball rolling.
Do you really think the people will take this VR if it comes out or is it just talk amd hype again from some of the old codgers.
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Guys n Gals,
I find it very unfortunate that the slash and burn mentality of QF management is seeing fit to get rid of so many of you.
I think you have done a wonderful job and some of you will continue to do so, because your professionalism will not allow you to drop to the lowest common denominator.
QF has built its reputation on excellence, now with PornJOKE * taking over the airways, and all those red tail 737's and 767's being consigned to Greyhound bus color schemes, our once mighty airline is sliding towards blandness.
Thanks for your service in the past anyway.
All the best,
GP
I find it very unfortunate that the slash and burn mentality of QF management is seeing fit to get rid of so many of you.
I think you have done a wonderful job and some of you will continue to do so, because your professionalism will not allow you to drop to the lowest common denominator.
QF has built its reputation on excellence, now with PornJOKE * taking over the airways, and all those red tail 737's and 767's being consigned to Greyhound bus color schemes, our once mighty airline is sliding towards blandness.
Thanks for your service in the past anyway.
All the best,
GP
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I think it would have to be a 10 week max payout wouldn't it? I can't see them offering 2 to 3 weeks for every year of service. Maybe they'll put the bait out at 10 weeks and see what interest they get, which will probably be sweet FA but then again 10 weeks is better then nothing I guess.
I think it would have to be a 10 week max payout wouldn't it? I can't see them offering 2 to 3 weeks for every year of service. Maybe they'll put the bait out at 10 weeks and see what interest they get, which will probably be sweet FA but then again 10 weeks is better then nothing I guess.
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Ozskipper you are right - I don't like being tarred with the same brush either but the moderators of the cabin crew forum think that we are all trouble.
They have closed the AO thread also for some reason. So I guess that this is our new home also.
Have all AO crew been rostered the 4 day QF conversion training ? Most of us seem to have 3 days training in CNS and a MEL overnight with one day of training in MEL for the may rosters ??
They have closed the AO thread also for some reason. So I guess that this is our new home also.
Have all AO crew been rostered the 4 day QF conversion training ? Most of us seem to have 3 days training in CNS and a MEL overnight with one day of training in MEL for the may rosters ??
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If you think about it,the company would definitely gain by getting rid of all it's senior crew.Even if they paid out the VR at the same rate as before,they could then re-hire crew on a lot less than we are currently paid.
So after one or two years they have gotten rid of us and our super and so on and would have recouped the money spent on VR.
Having said that,since when did the company make a decision based on logic.
If I was in their shoes and wanted to cut long term costs then a vr package would be the way to go but if they only offer 10 weeks then I/we might as well fly for another couple of rosters and keep the allowances and overtime and leave at our time and convenience.
As you said if the offer is not attractive then basically no one is going to take the offer
If you think about it,the company would definitely gain by getting rid of all it's senior crew.Even if they paid out the VR at the same rate as before,they could then re-hire crew on a lot less than we are currently paid.
So after one or two years they have gotten rid of us and our super and so on and would have recouped the money spent on VR.
Having said that,since when did the company make a decision based on logic.
If I was in their shoes and wanted to cut long term costs then a vr package would be the way to go but if they only offer 10 weeks then I/we might as well fly for another couple of rosters and keep the allowances and overtime and leave at our time and convenience.
As you said if the offer is not attractive then basically no one is going to take the offer
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there is the issues of eba
lowerlobe you are wrong assuming they company could side step the current lh eba and employ cheaper labor into lh. having said that i still do not have a response from our union reps here whats stopping qf increasing the so called wet lease arrangements with the AO guys. remember their last eba gave qf management unlimited overseas labor, etc.
expect darth dixon to further increase his doom theory as oil hit U$ 73.-.
expect darth dixon to further increase his doom theory as oil hit U$ 73.-.
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QCC2,
the unlimited overseas based crew was in relation to the EBA signed on behalf of AO. That Company will be wound up soon and my guess is that the EBA and any of its provisions no longer has any status.
I would not have thought QF could just wet lease ex AO cabin crew to fly in QF uniforms and on our aircraft. What EBA did we sign where both parties agreed to that?
I would be interested to see what the FAAA have to say?
the unlimited overseas based crew was in relation to the EBA signed on behalf of AO. That Company will be wound up soon and my guess is that the EBA and any of its provisions no longer has any status.
I would not have thought QF could just wet lease ex AO cabin crew to fly in QF uniforms and on our aircraft. What EBA did we sign where both parties agreed to that?
I would be interested to see what the FAAA have to say?
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qcc2,
What I meant was that the company would be getting rid of crew earning say 50,000 or 60,000 and replacing them with new crew at around 25,00 to 35,000.I was not referring to any other cheap scheme Darth might have been dreaming about.
If you do that with say 500 crew ,the company could be saving millions when you take into account long service leave and super even more if they get more to take vr.
I don't think anyone including the company understands or knows the full impact or ability of the new IR laws yet so only time will tell
What I meant was that the company would be getting rid of crew earning say 50,000 or 60,000 and replacing them with new crew at around 25,00 to 35,000.I was not referring to any other cheap scheme Darth might have been dreaming about.
If you do that with say 500 crew ,the company could be saving millions when you take into account long service leave and super even more if they get more to take vr.
I don't think anyone including the company understands or knows the full impact or ability of the new IR laws yet so only time will tell
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VR package / cheap crew etc.
Returned from LAX yesterday and CSM was certain a VR package will be announced mid June, with all those taking it, out by mid August. A lot of the "over 55" crowd will probably look at it seriously. At 52, I'm still "too young" to make it worth while. Also, the thought is, this will be the last "good payout" VR offered under the current EBA. So, I think a lot of the senior crew will take the money and run ! Regards cheap crew, as GD's illegitimate child, J* Int, takes hold, more and more routes will dissappear from Q lh. Plus with new IR rules they can legally increase the AO wetlease back door trick. As far as Q lh crew goes, we are an endangered species with no new recruitment envisaged at all. Which brings us back to the bidding system and the constant whinging from a few of the junior crew about trip allocation.
We seem to be going round in circles, but, that's what current Qantas management wants. GD will do anything to make his own "cheapy" airline creation succeed, even if it means destroying Qantas LH.
Any word from the FAAA yet ?? Or is that too much to ask!
We seem to be going round in circles, but, that's what current Qantas management wants. GD will do anything to make his own "cheapy" airline creation succeed, even if it means destroying Qantas LH.
Any word from the FAAA yet ?? Or is that too much to ask!