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need details
guys, the devil is always in the detail. AO might cease to exist but what stops darth to keep it under their arrangements (paint it in qf colours, change uniforms and get them back in the air)? thats why details of the so called wet lease arrangements is a major concern. as pointed out if it is transfer of business what eba,s are going to apply? then again the faaa had little notice (except blind freddy would have figured out something is going to happen to AO and prepare themselves for a variety of options).
lowerlobe i dont know if darth could employ anyone currently in lh at less then it agreed in the eba. the only place they get away with that is overseas (i think the cap has been reached). so i would not be surprised if Darth dixon would try to use AO to maintain and expand.
deafening silence from the faaa.
one can only hpe MM spends some money this time and get some decent legal advise
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lowerlobe i dont know if darth could employ anyone currently in lh at less then it agreed in the eba. the only place they get away with that is overseas (i think the cap has been reached). so i would not be surprised if Darth dixon would try to use AO to maintain and expand.
deafening silence from the faaa.
one can only hpe MM spends some money this time and get some decent legal advised
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fifth column
I reckon "rupert" was an faaa stooge deliberately trying to shut us down - freedom of speech is a beautiful thing - the veil of secrecy and paranoia that surrounds the new faaa office is not to be found here
actually -I like the ambience of this new room-
someone tell the boys in the union office where we are - no doubt they are lost again - I'm ready for some verbal vitriole, bullying ,verbosity and hot wind from Guardia et al.
Bring it on gentlemen.....
actually -I like the ambience of this new room-
someone tell the boys in the union office where we are - no doubt they are lost again - I'm ready for some verbal vitriole, bullying ,verbosity and hot wind from Guardia et al.
Bring it on gentlemen.....
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wet lease !
Darth can't employ in LH at less than current EBA aggreement. He does not have to and he won't. As I and others have mentioned, J* will take care of that. The current crew levels at Q LH will remain static, the only change will be "downwards" as retirement and VR reduce the numbers. Although AO is now closed down, it has not ceased to exist. Under new the IR, they can add numbers to the old AO and so called "Cairns" base if required. The FAAA keeps telling how lucky we are with the old "no jobs lost" routine when AO was closed. What they haven't told us are the long term implications for the "real" Q LH of the "monkey see - monkey do" wet lease deal. And again with the new IR , Darth and his band of "yes, bonus please" management have hired the top specialists to make the most of the new regulations. The first priority will be Inter-Company Divisional Transfers. In a few years or maybe months, letters will be sent out to a few hundred or so Q LH crew.
"Dear valued Crew Member, due to operational requirements, you will be transfered to Q Jetstar International . Please read the following document outlining your condition of employment and new wage rates. Please contact your Team Manager to arrange signing of transfer papers, re-training schedule and collection of new uniform. Thank you for your past contribution and ongoing loyalty to our "management bonus" driven Airline Group"
I rang the FAAA and put this scenario to them some weeks ago. Did not really get an intelligent or conclusive answer. All I got was the "no jobs lost" routine, not under the current EBA, we don't really know yet and we are too busy putting the next EBA proposal together. I hope the FAAA know what they are doing.
"Dear valued Crew Member, due to operational requirements, you will be transfered to Q Jetstar International . Please read the following document outlining your condition of employment and new wage rates. Please contact your Team Manager to arrange signing of transfer papers, re-training schedule and collection of new uniform. Thank you for your past contribution and ongoing loyalty to our "management bonus" driven Airline Group"
I rang the FAAA and put this scenario to them some weeks ago. Did not really get an intelligent or conclusive answer. All I got was the "no jobs lost" routine, not under the current EBA, we don't really know yet and we are too busy putting the next EBA proposal together. I hope the FAAA know what they are doing.
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After the racist comments made I would much rather be here than there.
Wouldn't want him to have to run to mumsy and dadsy lest his delicate sensibilities be offended..............again.
Wouldn't want him to have to run to mumsy and dadsy lest his delicate sensibilities be offended..............again.
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re exec performance bonuses
"The Destroyers of Shareholder Value" (formerly known as Qantas Senior Management ) are at it again.
The share price has plummeed 7cents to a low of $3.49 -19% down since February.
That's it! There are 39,000 of us employess holding shares -at the next AGM we must send a clear message to the board THAT NO PERFORMANCE BONUSES ARE TO BE PAID TO THIS PACK OF INCOMPETENTS!
One of our learned and esteemed baggage handlers or aicraft cleaners could do as good a job sending the share price south.
You can't keep blaming the barrels of oil Brownie - creative marketing, looking after staff morale & conditions - do eventually manifest on the balance sheet.
Is it too much for the faaa to put out a message expressing their concern at the poor performance of our senior management in operating this company?
(Geoff must be spewing - James Strong had his shares pegged at $5.00 -he wasn't the clown he appeared to be.)
Employees must send a clear message to Management that after all the sacrifices we have been asked to make - these guys still can't get it right in turning a profit.
Time for the blow torch to be put on our Manager's performance -from the top - right down to cabin services.
Productivity gains are made by inspiring & motivating your team - not by harrassing them about sick leave and minor grooming issues.
Time for some movement at the top of the company -up & out!
The share price has plummeed 7cents to a low of $3.49 -19% down since February.
That's it! There are 39,000 of us employess holding shares -at the next AGM we must send a clear message to the board THAT NO PERFORMANCE BONUSES ARE TO BE PAID TO THIS PACK OF INCOMPETENTS!
One of our learned and esteemed baggage handlers or aicraft cleaners could do as good a job sending the share price south.
You can't keep blaming the barrels of oil Brownie - creative marketing, looking after staff morale & conditions - do eventually manifest on the balance sheet.
Is it too much for the faaa to put out a message expressing their concern at the poor performance of our senior management in operating this company?
(Geoff must be spewing - James Strong had his shares pegged at $5.00 -he wasn't the clown he appeared to be.)
Employees must send a clear message to Management that after all the sacrifices we have been asked to make - these guys still can't get it right in turning a profit.
Time for the blow torch to be put on our Manager's performance -from the top - right down to cabin services.
Productivity gains are made by inspiring & motivating your team - not by harrassing them about sick leave and minor grooming issues.
Time for some movement at the top of the company -up & out!
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A constructive approach is well beyond the abilities of fascists brown shirts that pass for management in this company.
Spoke at length with one of the bus drivers the other day.
He had never seen morale so bad across all operational areas.
Three weeks and counting for the CC VR package if the [strong] rumours are to believed.
Has the "tent city" started outside QCC1 yet.
There WILL be one. It'll be made up of CC wanting to guarantee a slot.......
Spoke at length with one of the bus drivers the other day.
He had never seen morale so bad across all operational areas.
Three weeks and counting for the CC VR package if the [strong] rumours are to believed.
Has the "tent city" started outside QCC1 yet.
There WILL be one. It'll be made up of CC wanting to guarantee a slot.......
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love it (speedbirdy)
keep the humor up guys. 
if we didn't have J* asia bleeding QF by more then
8o million by now and no end in sight as singapoire airlines group increased market share ex sin from silkair, tigerair and singair by 30+%. J* asia back to 5 aircraft and loads looking pretty bad.
just heard major reshuffle coming up in qf marketing/ sales . lets see the fallout for the cabin crew department. by comparison (to other major comptitors adjusted for size) we still have 2 1/2 times too many managers.
if we didn't have J* asia bleeding QF by more then
8o million by now and no end in sight as singapoire airlines group increased market share ex sin from silkair, tigerair and singair by 30+%. J* asia back to 5 aircraft and loads looking pretty bad.
just heard major reshuffle coming up in qf marketing/ sales . lets see the fallout for the cabin crew department. by comparison (to other major comptitors adjusted for size) we still have 2 1/2 times too many managers.
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If you look at the cis screen you will see the reminder to fill out the engagement survey. Above that is a notice informing that more forced LSL needs to be applied for before it is automatically applied.
I wonder why crew are so disengaged? They just don't get it!
Maybe its the alleged harassing behaviour from some managers about them monitoring crew sick leave. If someone threatens to challenge them legally watch what happens. Imagine every cabin crew member who has been told they are being "monitored" or rung up before public holidays asking will they be turning up for work, giving evidence. Harassment is about whether the individual feels they have been harassed!
Sick leave and uniform standards come a distant second to improving morale. What uniform standard is that? There are so many variations on the uniform - male and female there is nothing standard about it. Quite often the passengers have trouble figuring out who is crew and who isnt.
Oh yeah the crew are the ones who for some unknown reason are still doing a meal service five hours after take off.
I wonder why crew are so disengaged? They just don't get it!
Maybe its the alleged harassing behaviour from some managers about them monitoring crew sick leave. If someone threatens to challenge them legally watch what happens. Imagine every cabin crew member who has been told they are being "monitored" or rung up before public holidays asking will they be turning up for work, giving evidence. Harassment is about whether the individual feels they have been harassed!
Sick leave and uniform standards come a distant second to improving morale. What uniform standard is that? There are so many variations on the uniform - male and female there is nothing standard about it. Quite often the passengers have trouble figuring out who is crew and who isnt.
Oh yeah the crew are the ones who for some unknown reason are still doing a meal service five hours after take off.
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Engagement survey
Apparently the company needs at least 20% of crew to out the survey and they have not got anywhere near that figure and hence the extension.
That kind of sums up the attitude of crew towards the current management doesn't it...no real need to fill it out and vent your feelings,just let them work it out.
That kind of sums up the attitude of crew towards the current management doesn't it...no real need to fill it out and vent your feelings,just let them work it out.
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Hello all,
I haven't been here for a while, but I am glad to see that we have a new home. I know that our forum did occassionally get a little out of hand, but [EDIT] Tightslot didn't help. If some of us got a little "passionate" sometimes, it was for good reason.
Blah blah blah, I'm going to take a little allocated LSL. You lot were moved here from the CC forum for misbehaviour. Using abusive language towards another moderator or your colleagues will see you out of here as well
Woomera (Eastern States)
I haven't been here for a while, but I am glad to see that we have a new home. I know that our forum did occassionally get a little out of hand, but [EDIT] Tightslot didn't help. If some of us got a little "passionate" sometimes, it was for good reason.
Blah blah blah, I'm going to take a little allocated LSL. You lot were moved here from the CC forum for misbehaviour. Using abusive language towards another moderator or your colleagues will see you out of here as well
Woomera (Eastern States)
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a little "passionate"
It was not about getting a little "passionate", but about a few fools who don't fly, never have flown or have any idea of Qantas or crew in general. Throwing stupid remarks and insults for "zero" reason to get a reaction was not the original idea of the Qantas thread. Hopefully we have seen the last of these idiots like "rupert" or never "flyagain1day". The general discussion, regardless of viewpoint or agreement from genuine crew members, FAAA people, SH and LH was aways healthy, fun and topical.
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sociopath
Unfortunately, he seems to be untouchable. Initially, he got the job through LG, mates from the old Air NZ days. So, while she is around, so is the sociopath. What I don't understand is how he can go to work knowing that the people he deals with (crew) all think he is an idiot. Plus the people he works with (other team managers , BOS, etc ) also all think he is an idiot. What's the point ? Am I missing something here ? Someone please give him a razor-blade !
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Engagement Survey
I have to say its something I've never understood - crew are very vocal about what's happening in the workplace, but when given the opportunity to put it in writing anonymously (via the engagement survey) no one fills it out!
It seems a bit counterproductive really
It seems a bit counterproductive really
