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Cunninglinquist,
Well said.
What's the point of the HR bullshyte when all they want is another sucker prepared to pay them for the job?
At the end of the day it's the size of your wallet that matters, not whether you know 5 people, sink piss with the right management types, fly as if the Wright Brothers had you in mind etc etc.
The HR nonsense is just a way of keeping those people in a job and justifying their position.
Blue Foot
Well said.
What's the point of the HR bullshyte when all they want is another sucker prepared to pay them for the job?
At the end of the day it's the size of your wallet that matters, not whether you know 5 people, sink piss with the right management types, fly as if the Wright Brothers had you in mind etc etc.
The HR nonsense is just a way of keeping those people in a job and justifying their position.
Blue Foot
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.................and do they ( QF or Jet* ) end up with a better group of drivers having gone through all that crap ? speak to some of your mates in either outfit and the answer will be, I think not!!
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I think there is good chance of experienced a330 skippers coming on in individual contracts and getting a better deal than was negotiated by the eba. All confidential of course with a non disclosure agreement. Qantas management still has plenty of room from current Jetstar pay to that of Qantas 330 skippers. Somewhere in between for the right qualified individual is a real prospect!
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Unbelieveable!
These clowns vote in the worst deal in history by 70% in favour (the figure I heard) and now they dont even want to do the flying!
So, not only have they said F#%k you to all QF drivers, as pay back for whatever, they have screwed the whole Aus Aviation Industry forever as well - for something they dont even want to do.
Is that sort of logic in the phsyc test?
These clowns vote in the worst deal in history by 70% in favour (the figure I heard) and now they dont even want to do the flying!
So, not only have they said F#%k you to all QF drivers, as pay back for whatever, they have screwed the whole Aus Aviation Industry forever as well - for something they dont even want to do.
Is that sort of logic in the phsyc test?
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And..... out QF comes with a Flight Standing Order, stating that Jet* is needing Capts and F/Os, and seeking interest for suitably qualified QF drivers to go there. Oh, the deal is you have to take Leave Without Pay, of course, and go over under Memorandum of Understanding (MOU), which basically means Jet* pay and conditions. Funnily enough, the A330 requirements read like the resumes of existing QF A330 pilots....
So, let's see, right-o, take a 40% pay-cut and go to help Jet* Int start up? The guys over there at Jet* going to be killed by the stampede.... NOT.
Is this company totally disfunctional or what!!
btw, in fairness to the average Jet* line pilot, I don't think it's a case of him not wanting to do the flying, I think it's the company not wanting him to do it. After all, someone's gotta keep driving those A320's around Aus. He's been used as a pawn in all of this: there was implied pressure on him to vote up the EBA (vote "yes" or miss out on the flying), when all along the company seems to have intended getting new pilots from outside Jet* to fly the A330. Hmm, where else have we seen that sort of pressure recently, in the context of voting up EBA's?
So, let's see, right-o, take a 40% pay-cut and go to help Jet* Int start up? The guys over there at Jet* going to be killed by the stampede.... NOT.
Is this company totally disfunctional or what!!
btw, in fairness to the average Jet* line pilot, I don't think it's a case of him not wanting to do the flying, I think it's the company not wanting him to do it. After all, someone's gotta keep driving those A320's around Aus. He's been used as a pawn in all of this: there was implied pressure on him to vote up the EBA (vote "yes" or miss out on the flying), when all along the company seems to have intended getting new pilots from outside Jet* to fly the A330. Hmm, where else have we seen that sort of pressure recently, in the context of voting up EBA's?
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The chappies who formulated the EBA did not/ were not required to do stage 1.
Gentleman,
Do not believe the BS that no QF boys will not jump at the 330... pay cut or not. There are a few QF S/Os who made a giant leap to 320 Capt thanks to Jetstar and will now do a Superman to the 330.
Add to this, NO International experience and just a couple of hours as Capt on the 320.
Welcome to the new age of Australian Aviation....or is it just history repeated?
The chappies who formulated the EBA did not/ were not required to do stage 1.
Gentleman,
Do not believe the BS that no QF boys will not jump at the 330... pay cut or not. There are a few QF S/Os who made a giant leap to 320 Capt thanks to Jetstar and will now do a Superman to the 330.
Add to this, NO International experience and just a couple of hours as Capt on the 320.
Welcome to the new age of Australian Aviation....or is it just history repeated?
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The S/O's who made the giant leap to A320 Captains were mainly people who were previously A320 Captains with significant amounts of experience on the type. As for international experience, didn't they get some of that while they were an S/O?
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Yeah, well, those S/O's are going to have to go off and buy an A320/A330 differences course. $$$$$$$ . The Capt criteria specifically says A-THREE-THIRTY endorsed, plus other stuff (hours, international experience). Not many former AN, A330-endorsed, QF S/Os kicking around, I suspect. I could be wrong, but there won't be many.
Having said all that, I'd love to know what they mean by "and/or" in the criteria (ie, if you don't have an A330 endorsement, that's ok, we'll just look at your total hours??).
Having said all that, I'd love to know what they mean by "and/or" in the criteria (ie, if you don't have an A330 endorsement, that's ok, we'll just look at your total hours??).
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Well lets just hope no one comes across from Qantas, what message will that send to management.
Rescue 1 sorry I can not answer that one I am still surprised how easily my colleagues can be fooled, but that is the majority decision what can you do???
Maybe just Maybe if no QF pilots come across and no Jetstar pilots want it and no one come from overseas perhaps they may offer a reasonable amount of money to do the job but I guess it is too much to hope that this big ugly cloud has a silver linning, as we all know how self serving most pilots seem to be
Rescue 1 sorry I can not answer that one I am still surprised how easily my colleagues can be fooled, but that is the majority decision what can you do???
Maybe just Maybe if no QF pilots come across and no Jetstar pilots want it and no one come from overseas perhaps they may offer a reasonable amount of money to do the job but I guess it is too much to hope that this big ugly cloud has a silver linning, as we all know how self serving most pilots seem to be
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JQ International Requirements
JQ management have put experience requirements for the 330 that rule out 90% of current pilots. The F/O requirements for the A330 F/Os are nearly the same as for an A320 command. Its not a tough choice for some.Get stuck as an F/O for 3 years when you have the experience for a A320 command. The irony of the whole story is the JPC pushed this eba to keep seniority and ensure continued expansion and rapid promotion prospects domestically which is far from happening at the moment.
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The question has been asked as to why the Jetstar Pilots would vote the EBA in and then not want to fly it. It is simple. The guys at the top wanted to protect their seniority and the guys at the bottom wanted to rapidly upgrade to Captain.
If the guys at the top hadn't voted it in, the company would have simply advertised for pilots and all the ex Ansett guys in the 170-220 seniority would have simply jumped ship to Jetstar international and held the top 50 seniority numbers as Jetstar International expanded and Jetstar domestic quit growing. The result would have been exactly what the guys in Melbourne wanted, the experienced Ansett guys at the top. Although the EBA sucks, they have maintained their seniority and there will be another day.
I can't believe that everyone on this forum believes that what 200 pilots in far away Australia do will affect aviation in the world forever. There will be another day. If AIPA would simply give the Jetstar guys their due and be concerned for the whole group, this could all end quickly. Although the Qantas guys don't believe it, the Jetstar guys can actually get an aircraft from here to there as efficiently and safely as they can, and until they really believe that, they are going to continue to lose position. I believe that the first A-380 will have a star on the tail...
Just my simple thoughts.
If the guys at the top hadn't voted it in, the company would have simply advertised for pilots and all the ex Ansett guys in the 170-220 seniority would have simply jumped ship to Jetstar international and held the top 50 seniority numbers as Jetstar International expanded and Jetstar domestic quit growing. The result would have been exactly what the guys in Melbourne wanted, the experienced Ansett guys at the top. Although the EBA sucks, they have maintained their seniority and there will be another day.
I can't believe that everyone on this forum believes that what 200 pilots in far away Australia do will affect aviation in the world forever. There will be another day. If AIPA would simply give the Jetstar guys their due and be concerned for the whole group, this could all end quickly. Although the Qantas guys don't believe it, the Jetstar guys can actually get an aircraft from here to there as efficiently and safely as they can, and until they really believe that, they are going to continue to lose position. I believe that the first A-380 will have a star on the tail...
Just my simple thoughts.
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A380 Driven by Mainline
Sorry to disappoint UAL but the A380 slots have been advertised to mainline Capt's and F/O's
Who knows what will happen in the future though ?. No doubt 'rick with a silent p' and his mates will be beavering away with Oldmeadow to sink even lower
Who knows what will happen in the future though ?. No doubt 'rick with a silent p' and his mates will be beavering away with Oldmeadow to sink even lower
Boyscout
Or is that jealousy far deeper?
Are you Bl**dy kidding????
Absolute stupidity comes to mind why Pornstar would vote yes on this EBA.
They have absolutely wreck any chance of wages being what they should be.
Hopefully Pornstar international wont get the required numbers and a new payscale can be renegotiated!!! We ALL live in hope.
Or is that jealousy far deeper?
Are you Bl**dy kidding????
Absolute stupidity comes to mind why Pornstar would vote yes on this EBA.
They have absolutely wreck any chance of wages being what they should be.
Hopefully Pornstar international wont get the required numbers and a new payscale can be renegotiated!!! We ALL live in hope.