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Due to misbehaviour, Woomera ES closed down a very good thread just as a vital piece of information was posted by Unome. He alleged that he had had meet Miss JG and that she had told him
"JG (HR) acknowledged (over a few cheeky reds
) that there are six main groups of ex-An types;
) that there are six main groups of ex-An types;1. Those who "may" have passed stage 1 and thus, formulated the "mates" list. 
2. Those who "may" have failed, but were not on the "mates" list, hence rejected.
3. Those who passed QF induction, but not on the "mates" list, hence rejected.
4. Those who failed but were on the "mates" list, hence welcomed.
5. Those who slipped in through Jetstar Asia without doing anything!!
6. Those who will never be given the chance of even doing stage 1.
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I have been told by another reliable source that all but one of the JQ management pilots did not meet the selection criteria or were exempted from having to undergo the testing.
Last evening I met with a solicitor colleague from a leading Melbourne Law firm (S&G) to discuss this information. He believes that action could be successfully mounted against JQ for discrimination in the selection process.
Let's not get into the gutter, however, if anyone has any reliable information please post it so we can prepare our next steps.
2. Those who "may" have failed, but were not on the "mates" list, hence rejected.
3. Those who passed QF induction, but not on the "mates" list, hence rejected.
4. Those who failed but were on the "mates" list, hence welcomed.
5. Those who slipped in through Jetstar Asia without doing anything!!
6. Those who will never be given the chance of even doing stage 1.
"I have been told by another reliable source that all but one of the JQ management pilots did not meet the selection criteria or were exempted from having to undergo the testing.
Last evening I met with a solicitor colleague from a leading Melbourne Law firm (S&G) to discuss this information. He believes that action could be successfully mounted against JQ for discrimination in the selection process.
Let's not get into the gutter, however, if anyone has any reliable information please post it so we can prepare our next steps.
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La Grange, I am not sure that you would have a case if the people were recruited to those positions before the QF selection criteria started to apply.
Also there would be nothing to stop an employer selecting those wanted for a reason, e.g. suitable check and training experience on a given type, a regulatory background, performance engineer, computer whizz etc. By virtue of the way some brains tick, some of these people probably would blow a standard psyche test.
And also, there is unlikely to be any law that prevents an employer from moving the goal posts according to the laws of supply and demand.
I am not defending Pornstar. Most companies seem to get set up in the beginning with jobs for the boys and girls who are on the inner circle, mates of mates etc. Virgin started very much like that, as did NJS.
Many years ago when Nopulse were just getting into the 717, I was offered a Check and Training job on the phone - no interview necessary. Turned it down because of the p!ss poor money and I still don't regret it. But it does show that companies often just want people they can get past CASA in a hurry, regardless of how well they will fit in with the rest of the team. Sad, but true.
Also there would be nothing to stop an employer selecting those wanted for a reason, e.g. suitable check and training experience on a given type, a regulatory background, performance engineer, computer whizz etc. By virtue of the way some brains tick, some of these people probably would blow a standard psyche test.
And also, there is unlikely to be any law that prevents an employer from moving the goal posts according to the laws of supply and demand.
I am not defending Pornstar. Most companies seem to get set up in the beginning with jobs for the boys and girls who are on the inner circle, mates of mates etc. Virgin started very much like that, as did NJS.
Many years ago when Nopulse were just getting into the 717, I was offered a Check and Training job on the phone - no interview necessary. Turned it down because of the p!ss poor money and I still don't regret it. But it does show that companies often just want people they can get past CASA in a hurry, regardless of how well they will fit in with the rest of the team. Sad, but true.
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Yaaawn, here we go again.
I think the numbers of ex-AN types and people wanting to return from overseas is grossly exagerated, if there are so many of them "where the bloody hell are they?"
PS:apologies to the Australian tourism commission
I think the numbers of ex-AN types and people wanting to return from overseas is grossly exagerated, if there are so many of them "where the bloody hell are they?"
PS:apologies to the Australian tourism commission
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Plenty of people in mainline, like the pilots who were absorbed from the original Australian Airlines have never sat a QF psych test and they can be found all the way through the system. With regard to pre psych test pornstar pilot recruitment, I doubt there would be a case. The goal posts have been moved after recruitment unless you guys/girls have info otherwise.
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I went for a JQ interview ages ago. I was put through the Qantas testing, sim ride and an interview all over two consecutive days. I previously flew jets for an Australian company that is no longer. Before the interview I met with some people in the JQ offices in Melbourne and was told by them that they did not do the testing at all. All they had was A320 type rating and experience. Fair enough they had more experience than me, but to be directly discriminated against is a joke. Also JetConnect people who actually fly Qantas aeroplanes and are representing Qantas in NZ were treated poorly. Approximately 14 people were offered psych tests and 2 were eventually accepted to buy another endorsement. This IS A JOKE. They operate on behalf of Qantas, fly Qantas aeroplanes and are treated like an extremely poor cousin. They recieve very little staff travel rights, that is thay must submit an application 10 days in advance of the date in which they wish to travel. People in Qantas and Jetstar can do it over the net 2 mins before the flight they wish to take. I do not have anything against those who bypassed the entire system, I would also if I could have, but this process is ridiculous. Some do it some dont. Start to either treat people fairly and equally, no matter good a mates you are with them. The JetConnect thing is particularly poor in terms of the treatment they recieved, I mean 1 weeks notice to pass the test, with no time off and no time to really do any effective study, ie a course in those psych tests, was it simply a token option that they better be seen to give there current employees a go, rather than be actually interested in employing already experienced jet pilots. People at JQ have left other jobs telling fibs as to why they are leaving, therefore effectively breaking bond periods and conditions and going to JQ without going through the process. It stinks.
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All they had was A320 type rating and experience.
All they had was A320 type rating and experience in ANSETT.
It's no secret that the Jokestar flight department is almost entirely ex-AN pilots - most of whom joined in 1989.
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Here's a tip for getting an interview at Jet*..................................
DO NOT put on your resume " currently employed by NJS on B717 "
COP, you reckon the jitconnict guys/gals have it tough, NJS guys/gals been flying Australian Airlines/Qantas A/C for 16 years and get absolutley jack****
DO NOT put on your resume " currently employed by NJS on B717 "
COP, you reckon the jitconnict guys/gals have it tough, NJS guys/gals been flying Australian Airlines/Qantas A/C for 16 years and get absolutley jack****
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Casper, as I said elsewhere,
Back when you are talking about there was probably around 300-400 qf pilots.
Now there is 2400.
I'm in AIPA and I didn't leave the AFAP.
From what i've seen in my short 15 years as a professional pilot I wouldn't rate the AFAP as a good union. (nor AIPA for that matter, but I do hold some hope under the new leadership)
By the way, I use the term professional pilot loosely, it's obvious, that outside our own ranks, that no-one rates us as professionals anymore.
As ye sew, so shall ye reap.
Well, I think we are ALL about to suffer that one. Think it's just the mainline guys who will suffer?
It's every pilot flying commercially today. Merde flows downhill and just watch it flow.
The J* boys think they have kicked a match winner.
Pity, it is really a tournament loser.
Back when you are talking about there was probably around 300-400 qf pilots.
Now there is 2400.
I'm in AIPA and I didn't leave the AFAP.
From what i've seen in my short 15 years as a professional pilot I wouldn't rate the AFAP as a good union. (nor AIPA for that matter, but I do hold some hope under the new leadership)
By the way, I use the term professional pilot loosely, it's obvious, that outside our own ranks, that no-one rates us as professionals anymore.
As ye sew, so shall ye reap.
Well, I think we are ALL about to suffer that one. Think it's just the mainline guys who will suffer?
It's every pilot flying commercially today. Merde flows downhill and just watch it flow.
The J* boys think they have kicked a match winner.
Pity, it is really a tournament loser.
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Ronnie and COP
You guys keep harping on the “experience gained at Ansett doesn’t constitute REAL experience” attitude like a broken record. I used to think that AN was a country hick town airline too, until I left Australia and ventured into the outside world of aviation. Having worked for numerous airlines since, with chums at QF,GF,EK,KA,SQ,MI,VB and even CX, I can honestly say, there is no golden airline out there that gives you quality, worldly experience. Most airlines are insular and inward looking – QF may have been plying the globe with shiny wide bodies (mostly on the Governments dime) for half a century but they can hardly claim to be world’s best practice. Mates at QF who have worked for long haul outfits OS are gob smacked at how backward QF’s operation is and how ignorant many crews are that there is indeed a better way. Many ex AN guys have ditched QF and moved to KA,CX and JQ having had a gutful of the “we are the greatest” baloney constantly handed down to them (generally via the FO.)
Experience is an intangible substance that differs according ones viewpoint. Is flying 2-3 sectors per month on the same route in the same aircraft for the same airline for 20 years straight really experience?
The guys shaping flight ops at JQ have flown the bus for over a dozen airlines all over the world and have been exposed to vastly different ways of doing things and won’t be constrained by the old incumbent attitude of “But we have always done it this (inefficient/illogical/outdated) way”.
You guys keep harping on the “experience gained at Ansett doesn’t constitute REAL experience” attitude like a broken record. I used to think that AN was a country hick town airline too, until I left Australia and ventured into the outside world of aviation. Having worked for numerous airlines since, with chums at QF,GF,EK,KA,SQ,MI,VB and even CX, I can honestly say, there is no golden airline out there that gives you quality, worldly experience. Most airlines are insular and inward looking – QF may have been plying the globe with shiny wide bodies (mostly on the Governments dime) for half a century but they can hardly claim to be world’s best practice. Mates at QF who have worked for long haul outfits OS are gob smacked at how backward QF’s operation is and how ignorant many crews are that there is indeed a better way. Many ex AN guys have ditched QF and moved to KA,CX and JQ having had a gutful of the “we are the greatest” baloney constantly handed down to them (generally via the FO.)
Experience is an intangible substance that differs according ones viewpoint. Is flying 2-3 sectors per month on the same route in the same aircraft for the same airline for 20 years straight really experience?
The guys shaping flight ops at JQ have flown the bus for over a dozen airlines all over the world and have been exposed to vastly different ways of doing things and won’t be constrained by the old incumbent attitude of “But we have always done it this (inefficient/illogical/outdated) way”.
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Flown with ex Ansett guys many times in 2 airlines now. like most ozzies they whine a lot but are good to fly with and think on thier feet.
Think your barkin up the wrong tree ronnie.
Think your barkin up the wrong tree ronnie.
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COP, sorry to hear of your poor experience with J* recruitment. Despite what many say regarding the inequity of the Qantas stage one process, it does represent a level playing feild for all pilot applicants when and if all candidates must pass through. Like all similar exercises, it does not neccessarily ensure that unsuitable candidates are rejected or that suitable candidates are included. It is the old story of measure with a micrometer, cut with a mattock.
Those who are in flight operations at J*, at least one of who was rejected by QF stage 1, have not considered the transparancy test when it comes to their selection process. From the posts recieved so far, it plain to that a set of moving goal posts, jobs for mates, circumventing the system ect have set the pace for J* flight operations. Really, is this the way to run an airline?
I also wonder what QF feels about all this; they are bank rolling J* and have apparently at some stage applied a requirement that J* pilots are inducted after jumping through the stage 1 hoop. Is this not a slap in the face for QF flight ops management; where a subsidiary company blatently rejects the mandates set down by the parent? Just for a few 'mates', of course!The decision to walk this path is parlous in terms of inter-company politics to say the least!
Even the perception of favours for mates, cronyism, the side-stepping due process and the like can potentially create a dysfunctional operational culture. it seems that such an outcome has not been forseen by those at the top who should know of such things if they are effective managers. From the posts and rumours circulating so far, it would seem that a culture of us/them, being on the 'inside', jobs for mates and different strokes for diff'nt folks is being normalised into J* culture. Sad really. The guys I know on line are good blokes overall.
Those who are in flight operations at J*, at least one of who was rejected by QF stage 1, have not considered the transparancy test when it comes to their selection process. From the posts recieved so far, it plain to that a set of moving goal posts, jobs for mates, circumventing the system ect have set the pace for J* flight operations. Really, is this the way to run an airline?
I also wonder what QF feels about all this; they are bank rolling J* and have apparently at some stage applied a requirement that J* pilots are inducted after jumping through the stage 1 hoop. Is this not a slap in the face for QF flight ops management; where a subsidiary company blatently rejects the mandates set down by the parent? Just for a few 'mates', of course!The decision to walk this path is parlous in terms of inter-company politics to say the least!
Even the perception of favours for mates, cronyism, the side-stepping due process and the like can potentially create a dysfunctional operational culture. it seems that such an outcome has not been forseen by those at the top who should know of such things if they are effective managers. From the posts and rumours circulating so far, it would seem that a culture of us/them, being on the 'inside', jobs for mates and different strokes for diff'nt folks is being normalised into J* culture. Sad really. The guys I know on line are good blokes overall.
oh geez... my wife and kids are going to kill me for this... but...
ill fly for 25K for f/o and 35K for capt.
ill pay for my own endorsement twice.
ill fly 220 hours / month.
and ill request to have my leave deferred for 6 years.
gosh my family will be unhappy, but at least the president of my pilots council will ahve a job with management within 24 months!!! woohoo!
ill fly for 25K for f/o and 35K for capt.
ill pay for my own endorsement twice.
ill fly 220 hours / month.
and ill request to have my leave deferred for 6 years.
gosh my family will be unhappy, but at least the president of my pilots council will ahve a job with management within 24 months!!! woohoo!
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Has anyone failed the Jetstar pshyc test yet and not progressed to the interview stage? From the limited numers that I know (around 9), none have failed, the same cannot be said for the QANTAS pshyc and skills where around 80% of the people I know have failed. Some of these were exceptionally gifted individuals too, others not so, but they all have one thing in common they are now flying with Virgin, Jetstar, Cathay, Emirates, etc...