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Howard,
You might be interested to know that ALL Qantaslink captains (that have applied in the last 12 months) have failed the S&P and NOT gone any further with their applications. Checkies, trainers and line captains.
However, MOST FO's have passed the S&P and moved onto the simulator ride. They are doing well on takeup with Jetstar with most getting through.
Now if I was a conspiracy theorist I would suspect that there is some collusioion here between Qantaslink and Jetstar management. I reckon someone has had a word in Jetstars ear something like "we can't afford to lose our experience, please don't take our captains
. Cover your arses to make it look like your not discriminating against all group pilots though. Take a few FO's because we can make their replacements pay for their training and it won't cost us that much."
Maybe it's a coincidence and all their captains are just dumbarses.
Nope. I'll stick with the 2nd last paragraph.
After all they tried it with Cathay and Dragonair when they found out most of their pilots had applied. Scumbags.
You might be interested to know that ALL Qantaslink captains (that have applied in the last 12 months) have failed the S&P and NOT gone any further with their applications. Checkies, trainers and line captains.
However, MOST FO's have passed the S&P and moved onto the simulator ride. They are doing well on takeup with Jetstar with most getting through.
Now if I was a conspiracy theorist I would suspect that there is some collusioion here between Qantaslink and Jetstar management. I reckon someone has had a word in Jetstars ear something like "we can't afford to lose our experience, please don't take our captains
. Cover your arses to make it look like your not discriminating against all group pilots though. Take a few FO's because we can make their replacements pay for their training and it won't cost us that much."Maybe it's a coincidence and all their captains are just dumbarses.
Nope. I'll stick with the 2nd last paragraph.
After all they tried it with Cathay and Dragonair when they found out most of their pilots had applied. Scumbags.
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As I said my only form of reference is my own group of friends, interesting to see what is going on in the wider world.
no epirb, unfortunately not me you are thinking of... though I wish it was...
at least the classic would be a fairly stable place to be right now... dont see too many jetstar boys coughing up the dough to get endorsed on the classic!
at least the classic would be a fairly stable place to be right now... dont see too many jetstar boys coughing up the dough to get endorsed on the classic!
How does EA and Sunnies (QFlink) handle the situation, where a pilot has failed QF stage one, but was later accepted into QFlink.
They now have or are about to get commands yet they have failed what is now mandatory entry prerequisites.
They now have or are about to get commands yet they have failed what is now mandatory entry prerequisites.
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Apologies Fromwayback.
Forgot about Dieter and Craig.
Well its widely known there's an unofficial 'embargo' on Qlink captains preventing them from progressing anywhere in the QF group. Just hard to prove it of course. But the numbers speak for themselves.
Forgot about Dieter and Craig.
Well its widely known there's an unofficial 'embargo' on Qlink captains preventing them from progressing anywhere in the QF group. Just hard to prove it of course. But the numbers speak for themselves.
Skurgler - I thought the Qantaslink and QF mainline (and Jstar) Psych and Skills were the same test ???
Or do they get marked differently ???
The day I was there the Jetstar guys did the same tests (or similar - everyone I think gets a different test) but they didn't do the instrument interpretation, follow the dots, or the 'keep the ball in the middle' test.
Or do they get marked differently ???
The day I was there the Jetstar guys did the same tests (or similar - everyone I think gets a different test) but they didn't do the instrument interpretation, follow the dots, or the 'keep the ball in the middle' test.
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Embargo's on various Flight Crew from other airlines is always hard to prove, but quite often does look obvious.
Toluene, are you saying that there was a number of CX and KA guys trying to get into J* and were held back by an agreement ? They'd be taking a huge pay drop to return to Oz. I wouldn't have thought the two managements were that closely linked or talking.
Even tho the J* guys do the QF P&S it doesn't mean that they are after the same result, (notice I didn't say higher or lower, I think the Psych requirements would be largely different).
Do the J* applicants do the subsequent stages at QF as well, or just some parts. ie do they do a sim with J*, an interview with J* staff and a Medical with QF ?
Toluene, are you saying that there was a number of CX and KA guys trying to get into J* and were held back by an agreement ? They'd be taking a huge pay drop to return to Oz. I wouldn't have thought the two managements were that closely linked or talking.
Even tho the J* guys do the QF P&S it doesn't mean that they are after the same result, (notice I didn't say higher or lower, I think the Psych requirements would be largely different).
Do the J* applicants do the subsequent stages at QF as well, or just some parts. ie do they do a sim with J*, an interview with J* staff and a Medical with QF ?
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Even tho the J* guys do the QF P&S it doesn't mean that they are after the same result, (notice I didn't say higher or lower, I think the Psych requirements would be largely different).
The QF mainline assessment is designed to identify potentially successful CADETS....to apply the same testing to highly experienced applicants in their 30s is extremely counterproductive...in fact it's plain stupid.
When I joined PX we were put through 4 days of assessment...the trickcyclists doing the testing told us later over beers that the tests were the same format as QF but tweaked to identify DIFFERENT qualities...those of experienced pilots (average candidate had 6500 hrs with C&Ting experience) who would fit into PX's operational culture.
QF's process is not the be all and end all of pilot selection...even the people who designed it would not suggest that.
The QF mainline assessment is designed to identify potentially successful CADETS....to apply the same testing to highly experienced applicants in their 30s is extremely counterproductive...in fact it's plain stupid.
As a mate once told me
"If you don't get into Qantas don't take it personally and if you do get into Qantas, Don't take it personally"
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Poto,
A bit harsh. I think what CC was trying to say (sorry to talk for you CC) was that the tests are there for a specific reason. Trying to apply the outcome of the same test for a different need is the key factor here.
You said they are designed to find the right person for the group. I would hazard to guess that the group has several different needs, (QF, QF Cadet, QF regional, J* Dom and J* Int). I reckon that the type of bod they are looking for here would vary, how much I don't know, but it would vary.
I agree with your other comments tho, I think they go without saying. We all have stories about who missed out etc etc
A bit harsh. I think what CC was trying to say (sorry to talk for you CC) was that the tests are there for a specific reason. Trying to apply the outcome of the same test for a different need is the key factor here.
You said they are designed to find the right person for the group. I would hazard to guess that the group has several different needs, (QF, QF Cadet, QF regional, J* Dom and J* Int). I reckon that the type of bod they are looking for here would vary, how much I don't know, but it would vary.
I agree with your other comments tho, I think they go without saying. We all have stories about who missed out etc etc
Agony,
wasn't meaning to be harsh to anyone- prob a bad attribute
I do think the p & s test might just not be designed for the 5% odd of QF group crew that are cadets?????
Not an expert and not trying to start a pissing contest with Chucky boy either
wasn't meaning to be harsh to anyone- prob a bad attribute
I do think the p & s test might just not be designed for the 5% odd of QF group crew that are cadets?????
Not an expert and not trying to start a pissing contest with Chucky boy either
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Poto,
No I'm not into contests either, point taken.
I'll place my assertive aggressive back in the closet and try and find that submissive type thing that the trick cyclists like.........
Back to one of my original questions though. Does anybody know what happens after the P&S for a J* applicant?
No I'm not into contests either, point taken.
I'll place my assertive aggressive back in the closet and try and find that submissive type thing that the trick cyclists like.........
Back to one of my original questions though. Does anybody know what happens after the P&S for a J* applicant?
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If you pass the phsycotic test its onto the sim ( rumoured to be the 74-400 now ) and in for an interview to see if your the type of pilot Ansett, sorry, I mean Jetstar, are looking for 
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Best "mate" for the job.
I guess these questions remain unanswered;
Why is the "mates" system still being used to choose e.g. "a middle aged lush who has not flown for a few years" over "current Airbus rated/ experienced pilots" for stage one assessment?
Why isn't everyone required to do stage one?
Equal opportunity or selective nepotism.
Why is the "mates" system still being used to choose e.g. "a middle aged lush who has not flown for a few years" over "current Airbus rated/ experienced pilots" for stage one assessment?
Why isn't everyone required to do stage one?
Equal opportunity or selective nepotism.
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UNOME, maybe it's got something to do with the fact that these guys could possibly "raise" the standard of JQ?... be interesting to see if the top 30 guys on the JQ seniority list come through the A320 type rating in one peice.
The way I see it is that there are 3 groups in JQ........ Impulse, ex Ansett guys and guys off the street....be nice to see the first group of turkeys sorted out by the second group of guys!!!
The way I see it is that there are 3 groups in JQ........ Impulse, ex Ansett guys and guys off the street....be nice to see the first group of turkeys sorted out by the second group of guys!!!
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Hey Chimbu, take this towel mate and whipe that excess salivation off your strides. Sheesh, that was the verbal equivalent of watching a man with skooby-snacks in his shoes walking through a gaggle of month-old beagles!
That's exactly how the psyche-test works. It's a character profile. Not a "who's a good pilot" profile. The Rat's, (and indeed, anyone's) use of these things is to assess a type of person.
I could be cynical, orright then, I will, and say the Q seem to think a pilot is born, not made, and what the heck IS the difference between one pilot and the next??
Oh, dear, look at little Johnnie's psyche results! Can't possibly have him in the 402 in Sydney, send him to Melb. on the PA31!!
But in order to sort-out large numbers of Cadet wanna-be's it seems a method as good as any other for thinning the ranks.
5% of the group?? Proto I think maybe you've been there only a few months. Psyche testing in current form was first used around '99 -2000, and only the mainline hopefuls got to do it.
That's exactly how the psyche-test works. It's a character profile. Not a "who's a good pilot" profile. The Rat's, (and indeed, anyone's) use of these things is to assess a type of person.
I could be cynical, orright then, I will, and say the Q seem to think a pilot is born, not made, and what the heck IS the difference between one pilot and the next??
Oh, dear, look at little Johnnie's psyche results! Can't possibly have him in the 402 in Sydney, send him to Melb. on the PA31!!
But in order to sort-out large numbers of Cadet wanna-be's it seems a method as good as any other for thinning the ranks.
5% of the group?? Proto I think maybe you've been there only a few months. Psyche testing in current form was first used around '99 -2000, and only the mainline hopefuls got to do it.
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Hey pete, the top 30 have all now been checked to line and some of them now training captains. Your agression at a bunch of people you know very little about is childish at best and show's you obviously have some big issue's you need to talk about to someone. Pete, listen carefully, YOU CANT BE ANGRY AT PEOPLE FOR THIS LONG. ITS NOT HEALTHY AND NOT WORTH IT. LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!!!