QF 744 doing circle work over Penty?
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QF 744 doing circle work over Penty?
I live in Greensborough just north of the Penty Locator (Melbourne) and at 1345 EST I couldn't not notice a QF 744 with a large amount of flap and its gear extended doing visual orbits at round 2500-3500 feet. The amount of thrust required to maintain altitude sounded very expensive!
Does anybody know what up with that?
Could it have something to do with the Grand Prix?
In wait with interest
Leatherdog
Does anybody know what up with that?
Could it have something to do with the Grand Prix?
In wait with interest
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The question that has to be asked, when Dixon is counting the number of crumbs wasted on each bread roll, is
WHY?
A lead car sponsored by QANTAS would have achieved more, and cost less.
Who was on board for that wasteful little junket?
WHY?
A lead car sponsored by QANTAS would have achieved more, and cost less.
Who was on board for that wasteful little junket?
Originally Posted by Ronnie Honker
A lead car sponsored by QANTAS would have achieved more, and cost less.
How much to tool around a 747 for 30min?
Compared to the telephone number figure you'd need to get QANTAS down the side of a Renault, Maclaren or Ferrari.
Added to that is it's all out of the marketing budget, not operational. You can be dead broke on the brink of bankruptcy and the marketing tools still get the caviar and champagne and megabucks for some stupid ad camapaign.
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"A lead car "...a pole car.
How much indeed?!
They would have burned close to 8 or 10 tonnes (8,000 to 10,000 kgs) of gas for a start, add to that air nav charges, actual aircraft operating time -for a 30 minute flight, add 15 minutes either end for taxi time (so total operating time is now at least 1 hour).
It's a no brainer in my opinion.
Dixon is frivilous with the money when HE wants to be, putting his claims of wanting to run as efficiently as possible in a wastebasket.
This will be added to QANTAS' other debts, to prove that it is not being as efficiently run as Jet*.
How much to tool around a 747 for 30min?
They would have burned close to 8 or 10 tonnes (8,000 to 10,000 kgs) of gas for a start, add to that air nav charges, actual aircraft operating time -for a 30 minute flight, add 15 minutes either end for taxi time (so total operating time is now at least 1 hour).
It's a no brainer in my opinion.
Dixon is frivilous with the money when HE wants to be, putting his claims of wanting to run as efficiently as possible in a wastebasket.
This will be added to QANTAS' other debts, to prove that it is not being as efficiently run as Jet*.
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By no means defending gd, but I have just watched the GP in HK and the plane did get a fair bit of airtime on the Star Sports coverage. So whilst it probably cost a lot of money, the huge international exposure gained would far outweigh it. Seems like pretty good sense to me.
Originally Posted by Elroy Jettson
The tinny b@stard is probably writing it off on tax as a delivery flight to the "new" maintenance base in Avalon!
You guys really don't have a clue do you. Marketing money is inviolate, there is always money for advertising or promotion, no matter what penny pinching is going on elsewhere, even Jetstar advertise.
"A lead car "...a pole car.
And as an idea of the money we are talking, it cost Emirates around US$20-25 million to get "Fly Emirates" on Kimi and Juan Pablo's rear wings for this year.
Still think tooling a 747 around for 30min is expensive?
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I can't beleive some of you fellow aviators think this is a waste of money.
This is BASIC business sense.... smart advertising at low cost! .. and yes it will be a tax deduction, but that's almost irrelevant. Every person at the Grand Prix would have seen that Qantas Logo, along with most of Melbourne, and most of the world........ Millions and Millions of people. What AWESOME advertising and brand recognition.
Now go find out how much the one hour of operating a very light 747 is, then ring up for prime advertising during the Grand Prix!!! Bloody great move, hence why they keep doing it.
You few fellow Pilots that think no further than your own little world of WIIFM, need to get in the real world.
Start your own business, then never advertise, to keep your employees happy, then see how you do!
And I'm not management, and I do think most fellow Pilots are being treated like crap, but this is just a no brainer!
This is BASIC business sense.... smart advertising at low cost! .. and yes it will be a tax deduction, but that's almost irrelevant. Every person at the Grand Prix would have seen that Qantas Logo, along with most of Melbourne, and most of the world........ Millions and Millions of people. What AWESOME advertising and brand recognition.
Now go find out how much the one hour of operating a very light 747 is, then ring up for prime advertising during the Grand Prix!!! Bloody great move, hence why they keep doing it.
You few fellow Pilots that think no further than your own little world of WIIFM, need to get in the real world.
Start your own business, then never advertise, to keep your employees happy, then see how you do!
And I'm not management, and I do think most fellow Pilots are being treated like crap, but this is just a no brainer!
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Thanks evyjet.
C'mon folks, prime time world wide TV audience, several billion revheads, all with a bit of money for travel.
Conservatively several millions of free exposure. As the man said a no brainer.
Murray Walker said the Melbourne GP is the best and has the most non F1 entertainment of all the GPs. Mostly they are just the race, period.
Mon son is going to Europe next month will be near Monaco when its on there, he's going with his mate, cost AUD $850 ea. for a grandstand seat near the exit of the tunnel, they get ferried to and from. Have to stay in Nice and commute no biggy but when the GP is on so are the prices for accom etc. And they are not the most expensive seats and there is only the race.
$566ph for the entertainment. 
C'mon folks, prime time world wide TV audience, several billion revheads, all with a bit of money for travel.
Conservatively several millions of free exposure. As the man said a no brainer.
Murray Walker said the Melbourne GP is the best and has the most non F1 entertainment of all the GPs. Mostly they are just the race, period.
Mon son is going to Europe next month will be near Monaco when its on there, he's going with his mate, cost AUD $850 ea. for a grandstand seat near the exit of the tunnel, they get ferried to and from. Have to stay in Nice and commute no biggy but when the GP is on so are the prices for accom etc. And they are not the most expensive seats and there is only the race.
$566ph for the entertainment.
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If it was such a brilliant marketing coup, then why didn't we see Jet*, Virgin Blue, Australian, and Emirates circling the place as well?
Too easy.
Because regardless of what Woomera's son pays for a ticket to enter Monaco. he'll still look for the CHEAPEST deal on the net to fly him there.
Unless he's using Dad's FF points (or his own).
A needless waste of shareholders' money - a banner tow with QANTAS tagged behind would have achieved the same exposure for 1/50th of the price!
Too easy.
Because regardless of what Woomera's son pays for a ticket to enter Monaco. he'll still look for the CHEAPEST deal on the net to fly him there.
Unless he's using Dad's FF points (or his own).
A needless waste of shareholders' money - a banner tow with QANTAS tagged behind would have achieved the same exposure for 1/50th of the price!
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Hate to question the moderator, but Woomera, do you honestly think M Walker thinks Melbourne is the best? He used to say that about Adelaide, when he used to commentate at Brands Hatch, do you think he used to say, "This is nice, but not a patch on Melbourne!"
This grand prix in (insert current location) is obviously the best on the circuit!"
Cmon! "Nobody rocks like Springfield!"
This grand prix in (insert current location) is obviously the best on the circuit!"
Cmon! "Nobody rocks like Springfield!"
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a banner tow with QANTAS tagged behind would have achieved the same exposure for 1/50th of the price!
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Evyjet is spot on re advertising budget and tax deductions.
Also if its the same 747 parked at the domestic terminal later in the arvo it probably did a syd-mel in the morning loaded with petrol heads coming down for the day followed by a return to syd late arvo with same petrol heads aboard.
Nothing turns heads more than wall to wall, block of flats, 747 at 1500ft over the suburbs of Melbourne showing the corporate flag. And the taxpayers are refunding 30 cents in the dollar corporate tax rate. Ripper maaaaaate!
Also if its the same 747 parked at the domestic terminal later in the arvo it probably did a syd-mel in the morning loaded with petrol heads coming down for the day followed by a return to syd late arvo with same petrol heads aboard.
Nothing turns heads more than wall to wall, block of flats, 747 at 1500ft over the suburbs of Melbourne showing the corporate flag. And the taxpayers are refunding 30 cents in the dollar corporate tax rate. Ripper maaaaaate!
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Nothing turns heads more than wall to wall, block of flats, 747 at 1500ft over the suburbs of Melbourne showing the corporate flag. And the taxpayers are refunding 30 cents in the dollar corporate tax rate. Ripper maaaaaate!
My guess is the effect on sales of QANTAS, achieved by this flyover is a big ZER0
it probably did a syd-mel in the morning loaded with petrol heads coming down for the day followed by a return to syd late arvo with same petrol heads aboard.
After all, isn't THAT why Dixon is trying to screw everyone?
If flying Jumbos over public events is likely to have a marked effect on sales, why not recommend THAT to God, in place of his slash and burn policies.
More than likely though, it's BECAUSE of these obscenely flagrant, unaccountable, and wilful wastes of money, such as today's flyover, that QANTAS is in the position Darth says it is, and why QF staff are being subjected to threats of replacement by cheap o/s labour.
"Nero fiddles, while Rome burns"
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'INTERNATIONAL EXPOSURE". More people would watch the GP in Europe (even in the middle of the night) than our total population.
Sure it cost a s#*tload but not a patch on the $25+ Million Emirates spent.
Sure it cost a s#*tload but not a patch on the $25+ Million Emirates spent.
