Virgin on the Pacific...with what pilots?

[pakeha-boy]

Gnadenburg....so very true....I still p#ss blood every time ,I think about these W@nkers who pay for their endorsements.!!!!!...talk about Shi#ting in ones nest....and then wanting the big $$$$$$ at the end of the day...aren,t these blokes given an eye sight test before being hired??......obviously the writing on the wall is not in CAPITOL letters...hakawa!!!!...PB

[Scumfish]

Isn't there plenty of unemployed American pilots?

[Howard Hughes]

Originally Posted by Scumfish

Isn't there plenty of unemployed American pilots?

Yes, but the majority of Americans seem to be reluctant to leave their homeland and even if they do, they are quick to return when a position opens up with their former employer. While they are a large group of pilots, I don't think they will ever solve any perceived worldwide shortage.

[Gnadenburg]

Originally Posted by Scumfish

Isn't there plenty of unemployed American pilots?

You rarely see expatriate American pilots in your travels. This has been considered unusual, with the turmoil of the American industry.

I would suggest it's a number of factors- people don't like Americans and wages abroad low ( especially since they still have tax burdens as expatriates ).

The aberration of course, was in 1989, when industry and governemnt, welcomed them into Australia.

[Metro Boy]

I wonder if they would be considered scabs if they came here and took Virgin and Jetstar International jobs because management wouldn't pay proper wages and Australians had turned it down?

[The Bunglerat]

Originally Posted by pakeha-boy

I still p#ss blood every time ,I think about these W@nkers who pay for their endorsements.!!!!!

I'm sure you are generalising when referring to "these w@nkers," as I know a handful of them, and they have never been anything other than the utmost PROFESSIONAL pilots, with a very high standard IMHO.

Do I agree with the idea of paying for a type rating? No, I'm not thrilled about the idea.

Do I agree that, because the precedent has been set, that we all just throw up our arms and accept it as the way the industry is these days? I don't know.

Disregarding those who already have jet type ratings, what I do know is this: If a hard-working, ambitious, professional driver who has languished in GA for many years is given the opportunity to finally break free of its constraints and move up the next rung (albeit on the condition that he pay for his type rating) and he refuses to do so on principle... Well he might be taking a noble stand against the industry, but at a personal level he's simply cutting his nose to spite his face.

This argument is well-worn and tired I know, but some of you guys have obviously managed to repress your memories of GA quite well, because if you hadn't, you'd probably be a lot more understanding of why so many drivers are so desparate to get out if it that they WILL pay for the privilege.

[sweetpollypurebred]

To the South pacific pom who's pissing blood, I'd reckon thats because your sending to much time thumping your wedding flute!!

[Bugsmasha]

If our log of claims gets through in the new EBA, then all International flying will go through Vb pilots first.

[haughtney1]

Disregarding those who already have jet type ratings, what I do know is this: If a hard-working, ambitious, professional driver who has languished in GA for many years is given the opportunity to finally break free of its constraints and move up the next rung (albeit on the condition that he pay for his type rating) and he refuses to do so on principle... Well he might be taking a noble stand against the industry, but at a personal level he's simply cutting his nose to spite his face.
This argument is well-worn and tired I know, but some of you guys have obviously managed to repress your memories of GA quite well, because if you hadn't, you'd probably be a lot more understanding of why so many drivers are so desparate to get out if it that they WILL pay for the privilege.

Bunglerat,
The trouble with this kind of mentality is simple, where will it end?...what happens when Jetstar/Virgin turn around and tell you they wont employ you unless you have 100hrs on type?...youve paid for the type-rating..why not pay for the 100hrs as well?
Cutting his nose to spite his face..possibly, however your also staying out of debt, your not driving terms and conditions down artificially...and best of all you get a job on your merits..not on the size of your back pocket.
Bunglerat..look at the threads with pilots in europe trying to get on jets, all this pervasive practise does is destroy the job.

[pakeha-boy]

Bunglerat...no disrespect,and it was/is a generalization,and maybe a little harsh.....you call the blokes professionals.,I beg to differ,they may do a professional job of flying the aircraft but the attitude is far from professional...I reckon it all amounts to which school you have come from.....those that have never paid for a type(myself included) and those that have......thinking one day,theyll be able to re-coup their costs of their initial outlay...

The writing is on the wall and it has been for many years...and there is plenty of evidence that suggests that once you have paid the the huge amounts to procure your types....these/those airlines have continually asked for more...After 25 yrs of commercial flying, I have been on the end of these types of practices and have turned down positons because "they" wanted me to pay for the type.I have done this in the hopes of pushing their envelopes,not mine...the companys dont make you pay for your hotels on overnights,why should you pay for the aircraft type...its on their buisness and time.....

To the clown,that calls me a south pacific pom,stroking my [email protected] it some time,youll feel bloody good...you obviously prostitute yourself to the airlines and are one that pays and sucks up to these jokers.....get some BALLS mate.....get some Balls......PB

[Woomera]

sweetpollyetc and Pakeha boy: You can both have a week off to cool down.

Next time it's permanent.

Woomera (Eastern States)