CASA fees - excessive ?
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CASA fees - excessive ?
Just got a bill for amendments. This on top of another ASIC application fee which I have to pay due to a CASA mistake, and my class 1 medical which is due .....total $740.
I just don't feel I'm getting my moneys worth
I just don't feel I'm getting my moneys worth
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definatly not value for money. and it will only get wors as CASA moves to Full cost recovery, the more people that defect to RAA, means the more the remainder will have to pay. the only reason i have let all licences and medicals expire, is i simply cannot justify the expense, when i can fly my Own aircraft 90% of places, at greater speed, for Much less $$$ with the RAAus
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Moneys Worth! These monkeys at CASA and DOTARS are TAXING not charging for services. In the next ten years, and I may be quoted, there will be a small (very small) GA industry, but on the large noone will learn to fly Privately. Airlines will recruit 300hour 2nd or 1st officers as the case may be, and pay them sweet half of fuvk all. It's a fuvking shame really, with so many advances forward with the private aircraft market.
The small GA sector I talk about will basically be a select group of companies from around the Island that CASA may use to keep their 100million officers current. The 400 thousand medical stamping and signing staff will be relocated to Alice Springs where they can keep an eye on the Rock as they double handle pieces of paper. In fact the TAFE colleges around the place will do well, cause they have a course specifically designed to learn how to apply for a Govt. job. Most unsuccesful pilots will end up doing this course and entering the CASA payroll. Just like most of your manual arts teachers at high school couldn't hack the trade so became teachers.
I am finished now. Just layed back a few beers and this topic sounded good.
The small GA sector I talk about will basically be a select group of companies from around the Island that CASA may use to keep their 100million officers current. The 400 thousand medical stamping and signing staff will be relocated to Alice Springs where they can keep an eye on the Rock as they double handle pieces of paper. In fact the TAFE colleges around the place will do well, cause they have a course specifically designed to learn how to apply for a Govt. job. Most unsuccesful pilots will end up doing this course and entering the CASA payroll. Just like most of your manual arts teachers at high school couldn't hack the trade so became teachers.
I am finished now. Just layed back a few beers and this topic sounded good.
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I got a question too about CASA medical class 1:
both my eye test and body check-up results were sent to CASA in late December. CASA told me that they have verified and issued my licence on Feb. 2 and sent it on Feb. 3. I lived in Sydney Parramatta and the licence is sent from Canberra. Now it is Feb. 17 and I had still not yet received it. I called CASA last week and they said if they were to re-issue and to send again, I have to pay 32 bucks. The person in-charge repeated my address and it is all correct! So here I would like to ask if my medical cert is lost by the post office, do i have to bear the responsibility and pay the penalty? thx guys
both my eye test and body check-up results were sent to CASA in late December. CASA told me that they have verified and issued my licence on Feb. 2 and sent it on Feb. 3. I lived in Sydney Parramatta and the licence is sent from Canberra. Now it is Feb. 17 and I had still not yet received it. I called CASA last week and they said if they were to re-issue and to send again, I have to pay 32 bucks. The person in-charge repeated my address and it is all correct! So here I would like to ask if my medical cert is lost by the post office, do i have to bear the responsibility and pay the penalty? thx guys
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just a lame licence renewal
try putting in an engineering licence application ,pay casa 140 big ones wait six months for some so called surveyor to look at your soe than have them say oh need 5 hrs in landing gear when you have worked on type for twenty years take your soe back fill in more hours re apply at your expense dance the dance again and again finally get the approval tha3en just dare apply for the engine licence on type where is the ombudsman?
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There is a post around with Ombudsman details - and I will be calling during office hours to make a complaint in addition to the others who have and will be re this issue. After several attempts at contacting the Minister concerned for a response, and numerous problems with that inept organisation also known as the C@%nts Against Safe Aviation in trying to get a renewal completed, I have just resigned myself to dealing with useless, hopeless and apathetic people each time I deal with CASA - but is gets better - we now pay a lot more for the privilege of dealing with this lot.
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We are the gullible bunch going along with these charges, basically they do it because they can, and excepting, the people who have posted on this thread the majority of us just go along with it. And thats where the problem is basically Aussies dont put up much of a fight thats why these charges are being slugged willy nilly, until people get out of their conservative mindsets and actualy tell these f#ckwits where to go it will only get worse.. After all the idiots making these decisions usually have no qualifications at all. My letter, email, phone call have been sent rang, posted numerous times and I am not giving up, I intend to tie up their resources as much as possible until they fix this rort.
CASA Fees a Joke - Where's the Service
CASA publicised they were going to do it in the press and sought comments on their website and called it industry consultation.
But I bet most of you didn't even see it, and that was surely what they wanted. To bring the fees in, knowing that no one will think of it in 6 months and they'll get awway with it. I don't consider that consultation or fair.
Its highway robbery. To spit out a medical certificate takes no effort for the majority in a few minutes and they charge $132. There is no justificatin for this. Burocricy (is that the right spelling?) gone mad.
Don't just complain about it here. do that, but also write to:
Bruce Byron
Minister
Opposition Shadow Minister
CASA Ombudsman, and include the specifics of the problems.
CASA is a shambles and the centralised licensing is a joke. And we pay for the joke around $132.
Write Letters. Write Letters. Write Letters.
Now everyone go and write your letters. If there's a concerted effort and complaints things might change.
Send you r complaints with specific details to Bruce Byron and the Ombudsman. If you complain to licensing, the centralised licensing is likely to cover it up and no-one will really know about the problems.
But I bet most of you didn't even see it, and that was surely what they wanted. To bring the fees in, knowing that no one will think of it in 6 months and they'll get awway with it. I don't consider that consultation or fair.
Its highway robbery. To spit out a medical certificate takes no effort for the majority in a few minutes and they charge $132. There is no justificatin for this. Burocricy (is that the right spelling?) gone mad.
Don't just complain about it here. do that, but also write to:
Bruce Byron
Minister
Opposition Shadow Minister
CASA Ombudsman, and include the specifics of the problems.
CASA is a shambles and the centralised licensing is a joke. And we pay for the joke around $132.
Write Letters. Write Letters. Write Letters.
Now everyone go and write your letters. If there's a concerted effort and complaints things might change.
Send you r complaints with specific details to Bruce Byron and the Ombudsman. If you complain to licensing, the centralised licensing is likely to cover it up and no-one will really know about the problems.
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You can see that in the future, there will be a member of the public with a valid safety concern and CASA will not investigate unless someone pays them to, worse still if an accident occurs and they won't look into it until someone pays!
Try this, send them a bill for anything they ask for from you.
Try this, send them a bill for anything they ask for from you.
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I think you should forward your complaint to "Beral Smith", Tax payer who's son has just dropped out of Year 10, and she is paying taxes on wages of $18,000. Explain to her why she should be putting her taxes to your pilot qual's. Perhaps if you are an RFDS pilot she may understand , but otherwise - why should she be paying for it?? Seriously??? Who do you think "government" money is coming from.
If you think the "government" should be putting money into your work costs, you should explain the benefit to the community at large. As a pilot you can claim some of these work costs on tax already, just like every other employee in Aus. The fact that some pilots "work for the government" is not an issue. You should argue that RFDS pilots or the like get all costs reimbursed. The rest of us should be placing them on tax returns.
If you think the "government" should be putting money into your work costs, you should explain the benefit to the community at large. As a pilot you can claim some of these work costs on tax already, just like every other employee in Aus. The fact that some pilots "work for the government" is not an issue. You should argue that RFDS pilots or the like get all costs reimbursed. The rest of us should be placing them on tax returns.
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PAF, I think the complaint here is for excessive fees.
Personally, I have no problem with fees - if they are reasonable.
$130 per hour seems a trifle high to me. $130 for a medical certificate, when the doctor who actually did the work only charged $90, seems a touch excessive. $130 for an AVID or ASIC which nobody wants, needs or asked for, seems a bit much. $65 for a replacement certificate that you are only asking for because you never received your original in the first place, due to the CLARC currently being a total goat rope at the moment, seems over the top.
Personally, I have no problem with fees - if they are reasonable.
$130 per hour seems a trifle high to me. $130 for a medical certificate, when the doctor who actually did the work only charged $90, seems a touch excessive. $130 for an AVID or ASIC which nobody wants, needs or asked for, seems a bit much. $65 for a replacement certificate that you are only asking for because you never received your original in the first place, due to the CLARC currently being a total goat rope at the moment, seems over the top.
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Pass a frozo, i think you have missed the point of the arguent, its not getting the taxpayer to fund our activities, ( i feel they should contribute as everyone benefits in some way to a from a viable avaiation sector) its about Value for Money, and what we get from CASA for OUR hard earned $$$
if i do decide to renew my medical, i might send casa an invoice for travel to and from the DAME, lost income for taking a day off work, and general fee toatalling $132, with my paperwork.
what do you think there response will be? hmmmmm
if i do decide to renew my medical, i might send casa an invoice for travel to and from the DAME, lost income for taking a day off work, and general fee toatalling $132, with my paperwork.
what do you think there response will be? hmmmmm
WHERE IS AOPA?
Where is AOPA in all this?
Where is AFAP?
Where is the media bombardment?
Where are all the National Party members standing up as country people get screwed AGAIN?
Until this hits the media, gentlemen, it will continue to fade away. Where are all the people we are PAYING to be our advocates?
RON?
Lawrie?
Face it: we've lost and it's over.
Where is AFAP?
Where is the media bombardment?
Where are all the National Party members standing up as country people get screwed AGAIN?
Until this hits the media, gentlemen, it will continue to fade away. Where are all the people we are PAYING to be our advocates?
RON?
Lawrie?
Face it: we've lost and it's over.
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The beginning of the end???
Although I believe a reasonable fee for services provided,(like $15 to renew a drivers licence) is ok It seems to me that this is the beginning of the end for aviation as we know it, or for CASA, or both. We have a third world aviation system in this country, which can only operate properly with big aeroplanes in the J curve, and they only survive if they are, or are connected to one of the two favourites, or the govt. The others struggle to survive, and many, many of them do not survive.
The huge, clunky disfunctional organistaions the govt uses to regulate, and "provide services" for the industry are unaffordable for most. (affordable safety????) and really look like sheltered workshops. There are some good people in them, but they are not permitted to do anything sensible. Thinking is not permitted. Just tick the boxes.
The fee for medical processing is the tip of the iceburg.
Suppose a charter co. in Alice Springs wants to appoint a new chief pilot. Well, his licence is worthless. He has to do another flight test with an FOI. It is usually a two day inquisition covering rules and regs. Is it really for safety? Or is it brainwashing?? At 130 per hour.
And $130 per hour for flying to AS and back again,and accommodation, meals, car hire, and $90 a day for the FOI's "travelling allowance". What if the company was at OOdnadatta, or Kiwikurra?
And when he has got it it is restricted to that one operator, and expires if he changes employer. Apparently if he goes to another job he is no longer a "fit and proper person" to be chief pilot any more. Unnecessary, stupid, costly restrictions are everywhere. The rules say a chief pilot approval is issued for life.
Call it "unaffordable safety" or "micromanaging" or "commercial meddling" or what you like. Is it really safety??
One "compliant" company that has been operating small, piston engined aircraft for twelve years, has had to have seventeen AOC's issued. They are supposed to last three years. Unnecessary useless costly work, reducing certainty, and increasing stress levels.
And so it goes on.
Pilots, operators and engineers are all working in a climate of uncertainty. Stress levels caused by this are detrimental to safety.
There will be some major changes. Are the govt organisations competent?
Should we really have to rely on HF radio in Australia? And similar administration?
The huge, clunky disfunctional organistaions the govt uses to regulate, and "provide services" for the industry are unaffordable for most. (affordable safety????) and really look like sheltered workshops. There are some good people in them, but they are not permitted to do anything sensible. Thinking is not permitted. Just tick the boxes.
The fee for medical processing is the tip of the iceburg.
Suppose a charter co. in Alice Springs wants to appoint a new chief pilot. Well, his licence is worthless. He has to do another flight test with an FOI. It is usually a two day inquisition covering rules and regs. Is it really for safety? Or is it brainwashing?? At 130 per hour.
And $130 per hour for flying to AS and back again,and accommodation, meals, car hire, and $90 a day for the FOI's "travelling allowance". What if the company was at OOdnadatta, or Kiwikurra?
And when he has got it it is restricted to that one operator, and expires if he changes employer. Apparently if he goes to another job he is no longer a "fit and proper person" to be chief pilot any more. Unnecessary, stupid, costly restrictions are everywhere. The rules say a chief pilot approval is issued for life.
Call it "unaffordable safety" or "micromanaging" or "commercial meddling" or what you like. Is it really safety??
One "compliant" company that has been operating small, piston engined aircraft for twelve years, has had to have seventeen AOC's issued. They are supposed to last three years. Unnecessary useless costly work, reducing certainty, and increasing stress levels.
And so it goes on.
Pilots, operators and engineers are all working in a climate of uncertainty. Stress levels caused by this are detrimental to safety.
There will be some major changes. Are the govt organisations competent?
Should we really have to rely on HF radio in Australia? And similar administration?
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after reading todays telle, i think the problem is a lot bigger than just CASA fees, i think the root cause is....... User Pays.... Its not only the Aviation sector feeling the pinch of skyrocketing fees, the same principals are responible for the now serious issue of home UNAFORDABLITY in NSW...... i think you will see the parrallels
At the heart of the problem is a radical shift in longstanding attitudes to the provision of infrastructure during the 1990s. For generations since the beginning of federation, if new roads, bridges, schools and hospitals were needed, they were provided out of government revenue.
It made good sense: These were public facilities, available to everyone and therefore to be paid for by everyone. If the money was not immediately on hand, governments borrowed against their future revenues.
Those facilities would also be used by people down the years, so it was quite reasonable that they should also foot some of the burden. It was part of nation building, making Sydney and NSW one of the great places in the world in which to live.
This began to change less than two decades ago when a new set of economic principles captured the ears of government ministers. Suddenly balanced budgets and user-pays became the fashionable catch-cries.
So who pays and whose budget? The answer has increasingly been new homeowners through massive mortgages they have to take out
to realise the Australian dream of home ownership.
Suddenly the cost of providing the services for new homes -- local roads, sewerage connections, the installation of lights and public open spaces -- was shifted from the community at large to the new homebuyer.
A homebuyer now pays $350,000 for a block of land in Sydney and then needs to consider what money is left to build a home. The price of land now includes the cost of a range of public services. These charges are largely hidden from purchasers. Land is not advertised as $200,000 plus taxes but it should be. Purchasers have a right to know what they are being asked to pay for.
Chief among the hidden taxes are local council Section 94 contributions (up to $50,000 per lot) and the State Government-imposed infrastructure levies (currently $15,000 but set to rise to an average contribution of $50,000). Homebuyers, of course, have been caught unaware. Few would realise their home purchase is indeed funding so much public infrastructure including main roads, rail, childcare centres, indoor sports centres, and libraries ... the list goes on.
It is estimated that the average new homebuyer is paying an additional $1000-a-month on their loan to cover these taxes.
It made good sense: These were public facilities, available to everyone and therefore to be paid for by everyone. If the money was not immediately on hand, governments borrowed against their future revenues.
Those facilities would also be used by people down the years, so it was quite reasonable that they should also foot some of the burden. It was part of nation building, making Sydney and NSW one of the great places in the world in which to live.
This began to change less than two decades ago when a new set of economic principles captured the ears of government ministers. Suddenly balanced budgets and user-pays became the fashionable catch-cries.
So who pays and whose budget? The answer has increasingly been new homeowners through massive mortgages they have to take out
to realise the Australian dream of home ownership.
Suddenly the cost of providing the services for new homes -- local roads, sewerage connections, the installation of lights and public open spaces -- was shifted from the community at large to the new homebuyer.
A homebuyer now pays $350,000 for a block of land in Sydney and then needs to consider what money is left to build a home. The price of land now includes the cost of a range of public services. These charges are largely hidden from purchasers. Land is not advertised as $200,000 plus taxes but it should be. Purchasers have a right to know what they are being asked to pay for.
Chief among the hidden taxes are local council Section 94 contributions (up to $50,000 per lot) and the State Government-imposed infrastructure levies (currently $15,000 but set to rise to an average contribution of $50,000). Homebuyers, of course, have been caught unaware. Few would realise their home purchase is indeed funding so much public infrastructure including main roads, rail, childcare centres, indoor sports centres, and libraries ... the list goes on.
It is estimated that the average new homebuyer is paying an additional $1000-a-month on their loan to cover these taxes.
