Qantas May Dump Australian Airlines
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I bet there are a few Compass 1 & 2 and Ansett people who wished they had believed what they read in the AFR, and bolted a little earlier! 
Lucky for the AO guys, they have the mainline safety net under their @rses this time around. You guys might not need to dust off the resumes, update the log books and head down to lowes mensware for a cheap polyester interview suit just yet....
You might need to do those things for your JeffStar interviews though! 
Seriously, I wouldnt wish that morale busting ****e on my worst enemy. Bl@@dy journos.
fair enough unsubstantiated rumours on pprune, thats fair game, but in our ""finest" newspapers? "Thats just Unaustralian"! If it was fed to these parasites of humanity by management as Boyscout suggests, they too can consider themselves "Unaustralian". Surely management arent stupid enough to talk the company down when they are paid in accordance with its performance? As a passenger I wouldnt be racing to the travel agent to by tickets when Qantas is talking about shutting it down. Thats the bottom line, this sort of publicity in a price sensitive market forces people to travel with other carriers, or simply choose another holiday destination. It is not like the people in Cairns or the Japanese are starved for choice! You can see how some journo's BS can become a self fulfilling prophesy. 
Lucky for the AO guys, they have the mainline safety net under their @rses this time around. You guys might not need to dust off the resumes, update the log books and head down to lowes mensware for a cheap polyester interview suit just yet....
You might need to do those things for your JeffStar interviews though! Seriously, I wouldnt wish that morale busting ****e on my worst enemy. Bl@@dy journos.
fair enough unsubstantiated rumours on pprune, thats fair game, but in our ""finest" newspapers? "Thats just Unaustralian"! If it was fed to these parasites of humanity by management as Boyscout suggests, they too can consider themselves "Unaustralian". Surely management arent stupid enough to talk the company down when they are paid in accordance with its performance? As a passenger I wouldnt be racing to the travel agent to by tickets when Qantas is talking about shutting it down. Thats the bottom line, this sort of publicity in a price sensitive market forces people to travel with other carriers, or simply choose another holiday destination. It is not like the people in Cairns or the Japanese are starved for choice! You can see how some journo's BS can become a self fulfilling prophesy.
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When you want to know anything talk to the caterers.
From CNS catering......
1.QF 60/167 WAS to go to AO.That has been postponed `til June.
2.This a rolling decision.
3.It is likely AO will be rolled into Jetstar.
From CNS catering......
1.QF 60/167 WAS to go to AO.That has been postponed `til June.
2.This a rolling decision.
3.It is likely AO will be rolled into Jetstar.
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AO is currently profitable only on the cns-nrt -cns run. the rest of the network is losing. its going to be interesting what they do with the surplus of qf seconded pilots. there is no way J* is going to pay AO pilots wages. cabin crew will be rolled over into J*.
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AO is currently profitable only on the cns-nrt -cns run. the rest of the network is losing. its going to be interesting what they do with the surplus of qf seconded pilots. there is no way J* is going to pay AO pilots wages. cabin crew will be rolled over into J*. alan jouce has been put in charge of J* asia recently. the new plan has him take control of all J* (domestic, international, asia).
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Qcc2, interesting AO is only profitable on cns nrt when it doesnt even fly it yet! Do you mind having another look into your crystal ball and PMing me Thursday and Saturdays lotto numbers??
AO pilots just go straight back to mainline in rank on the 76. Even if there are no requirements for 76 drivers. QF is very tight on the 76 at the moment, so they would be a welcome relief for the mainline guys.
AO pilots just go straight back to mainline in rank on the 76. Even if there are no requirements for 76 drivers. QF is very tight on the 76 at the moment, so they would be a welcome relief for the mainline guys.
Cns/nrt
From the original press release:
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From an Operations point of view, AO have always planned on CNS - TKO starting mid year.
From a management perspective, the last I heard recently was that QF would fly CNS-TKO on behalf of AO from March. Why it has been set-up this way I am not sure, but it seems to be 'Commercial' smoke and mirrors going on. Whether its slots, marketing, branding, codeshare issues or whatever I dont know.
Australian Airlines today announced it would commence double daily services between Tokyo and Cairns from mid-2006.
We will take delivery of a sixth Boeing 767-300 in mid-2006 to accommodate this extra flying.
From a management perspective, the last I heard recently was that QF would fly CNS-TKO on behalf of AO from March. Why it has been set-up this way I am not sure, but it seems to be 'Commercial' smoke and mirrors going on. Whether its slots, marketing, branding, codeshare issues or whatever I dont know.
Perhaps...?
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AO to start flying cns-nrt by 1st week of MAY. I'm sure there would be some engineers in SYD or BNE that would know when the AO a/cs' are going into the shop for re-fit. 1st week of May spot on!!
With regards to AO being dumped! Just a brand change. AO will continue to operate out of CNS. Sorry to the long haul crew that were hoping for a return to Japan.
With regards to AO being dumped! Just a brand change. AO will continue to operate out of CNS. Sorry to the long haul crew that were hoping for a return to Japan.
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Originally Posted by ****su_Tonka
A report on ABC radio today suggests the Japanese tourist market is already severely floundering, with JAL considering withdrawing services to Australia (whether a consequence or co-incident was not clear).
Apparently Thailand, and still Hawaii, are the favourites and Australia has been dumped. A big part of the reason was an increasingly sophisitcated Japanaese tourist market who would not put up with the 'scalping' thye have received by uncscrupulous stores or tour operators. Something Australia has developed some notoriety for (admittedly many of them owned by Japanese companies to start with).
Apparently Thailand, and still Hawaii, are the favourites and Australia has been dumped. A big part of the reason was an increasingly sophisitcated Japanaese tourist market who would not put up with the 'scalping' thye have received by uncscrupulous stores or tour operators. Something Australia has developed some notoriety for (admittedly many of them owned by Japanese companies to start with).
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part of todays statement by GD
it looks like GD waits until the new legislation is through and then paint AO planes back into QF colors
* The development of two distinct and competitive brands - Qantas and Jetstar in the premium/leisure market and in the value based market.
The Jetstar strategy involves expanding the domestic network, launching international operations and bringing the Jetstar Asia operation closer to the Jetstar Group. New Jetstar joint ventures are also planned for other parts of the world.
This will mean considerable growth for both brands, especially Jetstar internationally in the next three years, Qantas in new international markets, and the movement of Australian Airlines into the Qantas Airlines structure.
* The development of two distinct and competitive brands - Qantas and Jetstar in the premium/leisure market and in the value based market.
The Jetstar strategy involves expanding the domestic network, launching international operations and bringing the Jetstar Asia operation closer to the Jetstar Group. New Jetstar joint ventures are also planned for other parts of the world.
This will mean considerable growth for both brands, especially Jetstar internationally in the next three years, Qantas in new international markets, and the movement of Australian Airlines into the Qantas Airlines structure.
Nunc est bibendum
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it looks like GD waits until the new legislation is through and then paint AO planes back into QF colors
....the movement of Australian Airlines into the Qantas Airlines structure.
....the movement of Australian Airlines into the Qantas Airlines structure.
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From SMH 16/6/06
Is AO starting to look like a hot potato?
Qantas shed 600 jobs in the first half under its current restructuring program.
Group revenue for the half year was $6.8 billion, up 8.5 per cent on last year.
Net passenger revenue, including fuel charges on tickets, rose 10.1 per cent to $5.3 billion.
The airline's expenditure was $6.4 billion - a rise of 9.6 per cent - and reflected the impact of fuel costs which rose 58 per cent.
Qantas's low cost airline Jetstar generated earnings before interest and tax (EBIT) or $27.7 million, up 45.6 per cent.
The result was in line with capacity growth of 46 per cent following the expansion of Jetstar's networks.
But Australian Airlines made an EBIT loss of $6.9 million, compared to a profit of $8.5 million in the previous first half.
"The result reflected tough trading conditions, particularly within the Japan market, the impact of schedule cancellations following the October 2005 Bali bombings and higher fuel costs," Qantas said.
Group revenue for the half year was $6.8 billion, up 8.5 per cent on last year.
Net passenger revenue, including fuel charges on tickets, rose 10.1 per cent to $5.3 billion.
The airline's expenditure was $6.4 billion - a rise of 9.6 per cent - and reflected the impact of fuel costs which rose 58 per cent.
Qantas's low cost airline Jetstar generated earnings before interest and tax (EBIT) or $27.7 million, up 45.6 per cent.
The result was in line with capacity growth of 46 per cent following the expansion of Jetstar's networks.
But Australian Airlines made an EBIT loss of $6.9 million, compared to a profit of $8.5 million in the previous first half.
"The result reflected tough trading conditions, particularly within the Japan market, the impact of schedule cancellations following the October 2005 Bali bombings and higher fuel costs," Qantas said.
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Can't see too much changing, just a re-organisation of management structure. QF will gain control, so will no longer operate independently. CNS base to stay. May even see an expansion on flying.
All will probably be revealed in the next few weeks. Keg is most probably right, one day it will be one again. Sadly not the way it once was.
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All will probably be revealed in the next few weeks. Keg is most probably right, one day it will be one again. Sadly not the way it once was.
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Nunc est bibendum
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Hey Keg... are your thoughts anything like mine, back on page 1?
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And i suggest instead of complaining, get rid of the current government and abolish these disasterous new work- non-choices legislation, it is the bain of our future. That is our priority. It is ludicrous we have a party in power for such a long period of time, this is what happens when we allow it to occur...