Race to the Bottom PART II
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Howie...maaaate..I haven't questioned your education, nor your quals.
You appear to be an Oz domestic pilot, smarter and more industrially aware than your predecessors - which is WHY you are enjoying superior employment conditions?
Am I correct, or not, in assuming that?
......now, on to the "more difficult points" (that) you have raised...
You appear to be an Oz domestic pilot, smarter and more industrially aware than your predecessors - which is WHY you are enjoying superior employment conditions?
Am I correct, or not, in assuming that?
......now, on to the "more difficult points" (that) you have raised...
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HiEr,
“It's only seen an absurdly outdated testing process at QF to those who FAIL it”.
Pass or fail, it’s absurd. And outdated too.
Numbskull,
“That may be true when you compare to airlines that use cheap third world labour”
Actually, it’s also true when you make a comparison with first world airlines in the same region.
“The people that keep quoting economic text books/market theory/capitalism can keep it to themselves. Market theory gets G.D six million a year and growing in double digits while the average workers conditions are reduced to 5 minmum guaranteed entitlements.Capitalism gets us FAI,One Tel,Enron,Christopher Skase etc.”
Market theory also “gets” you a car with 6 airbags and ABS brakes, and reduces the cost of an early model DVD player from 1000 dollars to just a few hundred.
“Capitalism may be the best system for managing an economy we have but IT IS DEEPLY FLAWED!!!!!!!!!”
Yes, it certainly is. But you have absolutely no choice but to participate if you want to continue flying aeroplanes.
“It's only seen an absurdly outdated testing process at QF to those who FAIL it”.
Pass or fail, it’s absurd. And outdated too.
Numbskull,
“That may be true when you compare to airlines that use cheap third world labour”
Actually, it’s also true when you make a comparison with first world airlines in the same region.
“The people that keep quoting economic text books/market theory/capitalism can keep it to themselves. Market theory gets G.D six million a year and growing in double digits while the average workers conditions are reduced to 5 minmum guaranteed entitlements.Capitalism gets us FAI,One Tel,Enron,Christopher Skase etc.”
Market theory also “gets” you a car with 6 airbags and ABS brakes, and reduces the cost of an early model DVD player from 1000 dollars to just a few hundred.
“Capitalism may be the best system for managing an economy we have but IT IS DEEPLY FLAWED!!!!!!!!!”
Yes, it certainly is. But you have absolutely no choice but to participate if you want to continue flying aeroplanes.
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Delta Air Lines Inc. pilots voted on Wednesday to approve a 14 percent pay cut in a deal their union worked out with management to help the bankrupt carrier cope with an expected cash crunch.
Ultimately, 3,001 pilots voted to slash the average salary of rank-and-file pilots from $170,000 to about $146,000. The pilots also would give up other pilot pay and cost items equal to an additional 1 percent hourly wage reduction.
The agreement, which the airline said would save $143 million, adds to the $1 billion in annual concessions Delta pilots approved in a five-year deal reached in 2004. That deal, which was meant to keep the cash-strapped airline out of bankruptcy, included a 32.5 percent pay cut.
Ultimately, 3,001 pilots voted to slash the average salary of rank-and-file pilots from $170,000 to about $146,000. The pilots also would give up other pilot pay and cost items equal to an additional 1 percent hourly wage reduction.
The agreement, which the airline said would save $143 million, adds to the $1 billion in annual concessions Delta pilots approved in a five-year deal reached in 2004. That deal, which was meant to keep the cash-strapped airline out of bankruptcy, included a 32.5 percent pay cut.
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When QF has its back to the wall, and when the corporate leaders lead by example, I too will vote for a pay cut to ensure survival. Good point.
But what does it mean to this topic? Our time will come for this but it isn't here yet.
But what does it mean to this topic? Our time will come for this but it isn't here yet.
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The people that keep quoting economic text books/market theory/capitalism can keep it to themselves. Market theory gets G.D six million a year and growing in double digits while the average workers conditions are reduced to 5 minmum guaranteed entitlements.Capitalism gets us FAI,One Tel,Enron,Christopher Skase etc.”
HI'er, why don't you start in management if you think manager's pay is money for nothing? There is nothing stopping you getting educated and going for it. If you don't want to, and wish to keep flying then you have made a financial decision - don't blame our economic system for that.
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Clearly, if the Jetstar boys are dumb enough to except these conditions then they deserve them. Lets not forget, there are decent paying airlines in the world, if you want the good money and conditions you sign up with them.
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Re: Race to the Bottom PART II
“Clearly, if the Jetstar boys are dumb enough to except these conditions then they deserve them. Lets not forget, there are decent paying airlines in the world, if you want the good money and conditions you sign up with them.”
You mean accept, I think. And it’s the Jetstar boys that are dumb?
There are airlines in the world that pay more than Jetstar, but working for them generally comes at a cost – location and lifestyle. Maybe some of the Jetstar boys are grown up enough to understand that choosing to live in Oz is more important than chasing the almighty dollar.
You mean accept, I think. And it’s the Jetstar boys that are dumb?
There are airlines in the world that pay more than Jetstar, but working for them generally comes at a cost – location and lifestyle. Maybe some of the Jetstar boys are grown up enough to understand that choosing to live in Oz is more important than chasing the almighty dollar.
Re: Race to the Bottom PART II
AnQrKa,
There is a difference between "chasing the almighty dollar" and selling yourself, your credentials and everyone else down the drain to fly a shiny jet for these clowns. There are no second rate conditions in management to keep the operation profitable !!
In two years sitting in some second rate Taipei hotel, unable to afford a decent meal or the phone call home I wonder whether it will all seem so great.
Oz2
There is a difference between "chasing the almighty dollar" and selling yourself, your credentials and everyone else down the drain to fly a shiny jet for these clowns. There are no second rate conditions in management to keep the operation profitable !!
In two years sitting in some second rate Taipei hotel, unable to afford a decent meal or the phone call home I wonder whether it will all seem so great.
Oz2
Re: Race to the Bottom PART II
Does anyone know if they J* pilots have a professional negotiating team for the upcoming international arm? Historical evidence suggests Big T to be an indignant tyrant in professional dealings. Considering what's at stake for both parties, are the QF union lending assistance?
AnQrKa. Perhaps soon to be AnQrKaJq? Hell of a journey!
AnQrKa. Perhaps soon to be AnQrKaJq? Hell of a journey!
