Virgin Decompression.
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Thanks for re instating the thread. FYI, I got the original notifcation by e-mail from a well known Flight Safety service. I was a bit worried at first thinking I had committed a terrible sin by posting it.
Anyway, it was kept out of the press, the pilot didn't have to turn away from the schoolyard at the last moment and nobody's hurt.
Good result all round then.
Thanks for re instating the thread. FYI, I got the original notifcation by e-mail from a well known Flight Safety service. I was a bit worried at first thinking I had committed a terrible sin by posting it.
Anyway, it was kept out of the press, the pilot didn't have to turn away from the schoolyard at the last moment and nobody's hurt.
Good result all round then.
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As was mentioned earlier, "the cabin hardly got above 14,000 ft", and "rolled ir into a descent and set the a/p at 10,000 ft"
If the pax hardly noticed the "event", presumably because the "rapid" decompression wasn't so rapid, then what were the pilots doing between 10,000 and 14,000 feet cabin alt?
I know, it's that pesky "takeoff warning horn" again!
Just wondering!
Cheers, FD
If the pax hardly noticed the "event", presumably because the "rapid" decompression wasn't so rapid, then what were the pilots doing between 10,000 and 14,000 feet cabin alt?
I know, it's that pesky "takeoff warning horn" again!
Just wondering!
Cheers, FD
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The engineers today told a few of us that the negative pressure relief valve caused the problem. It was a gradual pressure loss, not rapid. The a/c is still in the hangar being attended to.
Sorry to upset those looking at stirring up trouble, but you are wasting your time. The pax had nothing but praise for the crew from start to finish. EVERYTHING from a pax perspective was pretty much spot on. The re-assuring PA from the CAPT after they settled at 10,000' did much to allay any concerns.
A good effort all round I suggest.
Sorry to upset those looking at stirring up trouble, but you are wasting your time. The pax had nothing but praise for the crew from start to finish. EVERYTHING from a pax perspective was pretty much spot on. The re-assuring PA from the CAPT after they settled at 10,000' did much to allay any concerns.
A good effort all round I suggest.
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glastar. I'm with you!!! My son recently trashed an aeroplane following an undercarriage failure. His passengers could not have spoken more highly of his professional action. The only things that upset him - he stopped a meter off the center line and the firies sprayed his headset with foam!!! 
Makes ya feel real good when your protege prove there are still very competent and professional airmen in the industry!!!
You should be justly proud of your son's actions - would love to know how he kept it out of the media!!!
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Makes ya feel real good when your protege prove there are still very competent and professional airmen in the industry!!!
You should be justly proud of your son's actions - would love to know how he kept it out of the media!!!
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So, let me get this this straight...
a Virgin 737 does a rapid descent from 40 grand at a body angle of -10 to -15 degrees, at a speed of MMO/VMO with the IVSI pegged on the stops at 6000fpm, the boards are up and the masks are, or should be, out and...
the SLF are unconcerned 'cause they think this is "ops normal".
Who's kidding who here?
a Virgin 737 does a rapid descent from 40 grand at a body angle of -10 to -15 degrees, at a speed of MMO/VMO with the IVSI pegged on the stops at 6000fpm, the boards are up and the masks are, or should be, out and...
the SLF are unconcerned 'cause they think this is "ops normal".
Who's kidding who here?
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It might possibly have been an emergency descent vs a rapid descent, amos.
And unless the cabin altitude reached 14,000', then the rubber jungle shouldn't have deployed, unless manually activated.
If it was a slow depressurisation that never developed into a rapid increase in cabin alt, then chances are pax would NOT notice anything.
Remember, we're talking about a climbing cabin, which is not the unpleasant experience on the sinuses a descending cabin can be.
Charlie Farley or the Model Aeroplane builder?
I reckon I've got it down to one of you two!
And unless the cabin altitude reached 14,000', then the rubber jungle shouldn't have deployed, unless manually activated.
If it was a slow depressurisation that never developed into a rapid increase in cabin alt, then chances are pax would NOT notice anything.
Remember, we're talking about a climbing cabin, which is not the unpleasant experience on the sinuses a descending cabin can be.
Charlie Farley or the Model Aeroplane builder?
I reckon I've got it down to one of you two!
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So, let me get this straight...
a Virgin 737 does an emergency descent from 40 grand at a body angle of -10 to -15 degrees at a speed of MMO/VMO with the IVSI pegged on the stops at 6000fpm the boards are up and the masks are, or should be, out and...
the SLF are unconcerned 'cause they think this is "ops normal".
Who's kidding who here?
You happy now Hi'er, or do you have a rapid/emergency descent procedure that differs from that, that none of us, including Boeing or Airbus, have ever heard of?
a Virgin 737 does an emergency descent from 40 grand at a body angle of -10 to -15 degrees at a speed of MMO/VMO with the IVSI pegged on the stops at 6000fpm the boards are up and the masks are, or should be, out and...
the SLF are unconcerned 'cause they think this is "ops normal".
Who's kidding who here?
You happy now Hi'er, or do you have a rapid/emergency descent procedure that differs from that, that none of us, including Boeing or Airbus, have ever heard of?
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Declaring an "emergency", and descending, is not the same as a "rapid descent".
You, Airbus, and Boeing, are not all, one, and the same!
(In spite of what YOU might believe).
You might try a little more understanding, because of your superior experience, Amos.
These young punks are growing up in a far more cut throat environment than you and I.
Do you really believe that the majority of slf know the difference between 3 degrees a.n.d., and 10?
You, Airbus, and Boeing, are not all, one, and the same!
(In spite of what YOU might believe).You might try a little more understanding, because of your superior experience, Amos.
These young punks are growing up in a far more cut throat environment than you and I.
Do you really believe that the majority of slf know the difference between 3 degrees a.n.d., and 10?
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This event happened on the day of the 'terrorrist arrests' probably why it was not splashed through the media.
Perhaps we only rate a mention on a slow news day???
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So, let me get this straight...
there was NO emergency descent from 40 grand with the boards up etc,etc...
no Pan or Mayday call, no sqawking 7700, no problem controlling the cabin pressure or altitude, no turn off track, no belt/smoking signs or ignition being switched on, no turn back to parallel track after 5nm divergence ( saves getting lost ) no PA to the Pax during the high dive, no request for area QNH, no masks deployed etc, etc ( I'm going by memory here ! )
So, what are we discussing ? And why is the term emergency descent being used ??
and Hi'er...how long since you've done a high dive in the sim mate?
the crew are usually sh*tting themselves let alone the punters!
there was NO emergency descent from 40 grand with the boards up etc,etc...
no Pan or Mayday call, no sqawking 7700, no problem controlling the cabin pressure or altitude, no turn off track, no belt/smoking signs or ignition being switched on, no turn back to parallel track after 5nm divergence ( saves getting lost ) no PA to the Pax during the high dive, no request for area QNH, no masks deployed etc, etc ( I'm going by memory here ! )
So, what are we discussing ? And why is the term emergency descent being used ??
and Hi'er...how long since you've done a high dive in the sim mate?
the crew are usually sh*tting themselves let alone the punters!
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Catching up with the PMs.
Thank you to all those who responded to the request for verification.
cficare my apologies if there was an inference that you were up to mischief, it was not intended to be so.
In future and this was an unusual "stealth" subject in that it hadn't appeared in any "death plunge" journalism, would posters please include URLs to the Government or Regulatory sites containing the info.
I know the references were quoted but they appeared to be several levels down and I did not have the time to go chasing them beyond a quick look at the AT and NTSB.
There was no and never is any conspiracy in our moderation.
Thank you to all those who responded to the request for verification.
cficare my apologies if there was an inference that you were up to mischief, it was not intended to be so.
In future and this was an unusual "stealth" subject in that it hadn't appeared in any "death plunge" journalism, would posters please include URLs to the Government or Regulatory sites containing the info.
I know the references were quoted but they appeared to be several levels down and I did not have the time to go chasing them beyond a quick look at the AT and NTSB.
There was no and never is any conspiracy in our moderation.
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the crew are usually sh*tting themselves let alone the punters!
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I too am similarly perplexed.
A decompression, or threat of, especially at FL 400 is not exactly "routine".
No panic is good, and glastar was, deservedly, happy with his sons execution of it, is there something missing here.
OR as coitus suggests, the crew handled the whole situation perfectly, beat the ruuber jungle baro to FL140, kept the pax informed and calm and the "press" were somehow put back to sleep.
But in any gathering of more than one person there is always going to be someone who can't help himself to be the first with the worst.
Oh moi gawd!! But not a peep was heard.
No biggie, sh!t happens, guess we'll have to see what the ATSB turn up.
I too am similarly perplexed.
A decompression, or threat of, especially at FL 400 is not exactly "routine".
No panic is good,
and glastar was, deservedly, happy with his sons execution of it, is there something missing here. OR as coitus suggests, the crew handled the whole situation perfectly, beat the ruuber jungle baro to FL140, kept the pax informed and calm and the "press" were somehow put back to sleep.
But in any gathering of more than one person
there is always going to be someone who can't help himself to be the first with the worst. Oh moi gawd!! But not a peep was heard.No biggie, sh!t happens, guess we'll have to see what the ATSB turn up.