Qantas says new pay claim won't fly
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I regret to inform you Amos, that Keg is absolutely correct, although he doesn't quite go far enough in mentioning events and incidents Qantas was involved in during WW2.
A couple of incidents include:
QF Capt L.R. Ambrose turning a blind eye to regulations and limitations, and allowing additional evacuees to be crammed on board a QF flying boat on its last evacuation flight out of Singapore.
QF Captains W. Crowther and H. Hussey managing to get their damaged flyingboat Camilla airborne, escaping to Groote Eylandt during the big japanese air raid on Darwin in February 1942. Eight minutes after they took off, the freighter they were moored next to blew up. Incidently, Capt Aub Koch who Keg mentioned in his 1st para, was recovering from his injuries in Darwin hospital at the time of the raid.
I'm not so sure that the fate of the Circe is still a mystery. Japanese archive research by Christopher Shores and Brian Cull while writing their excellent 1993 two-book series 'Bloody Shambles' on the air war over south east asia during WW2 (strongly recommended reading for aviation buffs) indicates that the Circe was claimed shot down by Zeros returning from attacking the US aircraft carrier Langley which was heading for Tjilatjap with a cargo of assembled P40s. They also claimed a 'probable' on a Dutch Catalina, which in fact survived but had to be written off, and shot down one of the zeros. As Keg said, at least it could shoot back.
A couple of incidents include:
QF Capt L.R. Ambrose turning a blind eye to regulations and limitations, and allowing additional evacuees to be crammed on board a QF flying boat on its last evacuation flight out of Singapore.
QF Captains W. Crowther and H. Hussey managing to get their damaged flyingboat Camilla airborne, escaping to Groote Eylandt during the big japanese air raid on Darwin in February 1942. Eight minutes after they took off, the freighter they were moored next to blew up. Incidently, Capt Aub Koch who Keg mentioned in his 1st para, was recovering from his injuries in Darwin hospital at the time of the raid.
I'm not so sure that the fate of the Circe is still a mystery. Japanese archive research by Christopher Shores and Brian Cull while writing their excellent 1993 two-book series 'Bloody Shambles' on the air war over south east asia during WW2 (strongly recommended reading for aviation buffs) indicates that the Circe was claimed shot down by Zeros returning from attacking the US aircraft carrier Langley which was heading for Tjilatjap with a cargo of assembled P40s. They also claimed a 'probable' on a Dutch Catalina, which in fact survived but had to be written off, and shot down one of the zeros. As Keg said, at least it could shoot back.
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Pay peanuts-get monkeys.
The current CEO of Qantas would, I think, be happy to hire flight crew from overseas and pay them $45,000 to fly 737/747.
AWA's allow for no minimums, there is no minimum wage when your on a AWA, nor minimum conditions-it is just what you agree to.
So when the LAME's are fired en mass and all work is completed overseas by people on a third the money, and a 747-400 has a explosive decompression at FL41 due to faulty work by some 2nd world under paid contractor - who do we blame? The current C.E.O and Board of Qantas.
The mad push for profit before safety is a VERY serious issue with many airlines. I remember Bangkok - no reverse or idle reverse on landing on a wet runway, with crosswind!! When do pilots step up and say NO to such dangerous practices.
AWA's allow for no minimums, there is no minimum wage when your on a AWA, nor minimum conditions-it is just what you agree to.
So when the LAME's are fired en mass and all work is completed overseas by people on a third the money, and a 747-400 has a explosive decompression at FL41 due to faulty work by some 2nd world under paid contractor - who do we blame? The current C.E.O and Board of Qantas.
The mad push for profit before safety is a VERY serious issue with many airlines. I remember Bangkok - no reverse or idle reverse on landing on a wet runway, with crosswind!! When do pilots step up and say NO to such dangerous practices.
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Like the vast majority of Australian pilots I don't have much truck for Qantas drivers, however, I did believe they could at least read. Obviously I was wrong.
BTW Keg, sucking up to me won't get you onside Mate!
BTW Keg, sucking up to me won't get you onside Mate!
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Amos - I just had a look at your profile.
Your endorsements are not indicative of someone that has flown for QF so how the hell can you make an informed judgement on what all the guys are like.
Its not our fault that you $cabbed in 89, nor is it our fault that Ansett went under, nor is it our fault that 89 'reternees' have destroyed conditions and introduced self funded endorsements nor is it our fault that QF is prepared to allow anyone to $cabb on the mainline pilot body providing they will work for nothing.
Kegs very good rebuttal of your post is indicative of why you should think before you post and why, as a washed up has been you probably should cease and desist on this forum
Have a nice day
Your endorsements are not indicative of someone that has flown for QF so how the hell can you make an informed judgement on what all the guys are like.
Its not our fault that you $cabbed in 89, nor is it our fault that Ansett went under, nor is it our fault that 89 'reternees' have destroyed conditions and introduced self funded endorsements nor is it our fault that QF is prepared to allow anyone to $cabb on the mainline pilot body providing they will work for nothing.
Kegs very good rebuttal of your post is indicative of why you should think before you post and why, as a washed up has been you probably should cease and desist on this forum
Have a nice day
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With the benefit of hindsight, it would seem feasable to presume that the QANTAS pilots can see the road they're being driven down.
Let me assure you that for all of the "I think QANTAS pilots are wonkers!" rhetoric, not ONE of us from "that" year hope to see you blokes being done over by a greedy, overpaid , self-centred management - presumably with the assistance (again) of the Australian P.M., but from the other side of the spectrum.
QANTAS pilots have had an enviable PAST - not all of it without its occasional rough patch - but the FUTURE is what is now being threatened.
This threat hasn't suddenly appeared - QF employees, and non-QF people have posted on this Bulletin Board, and in the public media, about it for some time...."QANTAS - pigs at the trough", is a headline that comes readily to mind.
There will come a time when QANTAS mainline pilots are going to have to take a stand to ensure that they are not slowly eased out altogether - but whilst fully aware of what is being done to them.
If the "I" in AIPA stands for "International", then perhaps it might be time to fortify defences, by INCLUDING ALL those pilots relegated to flying International flights under the QF banner.
Let's not allow the petty squabbling detract from the task you guys and girls have at hand.
{I see you're doing a bit of suckin' up of your own there, Amos!But you're right, btw, that Keg DOES have a certain okay style
}
Let me assure you that for all of the "I think QANTAS pilots are wonkers!" rhetoric, not ONE of us from "that" year hope to see you blokes being done over by a greedy, overpaid , self-centred management - presumably with the assistance (again) of the Australian P.M., but from the other side of the spectrum.
QANTAS pilots have had an enviable PAST - not all of it without its occasional rough patch - but the FUTURE is what is now being threatened.
This threat hasn't suddenly appeared - QF employees, and non-QF people have posted on this Bulletin Board, and in the public media, about it for some time...."QANTAS - pigs at the trough", is a headline that comes readily to mind.
There will come a time when QANTAS mainline pilots are going to have to take a stand to ensure that they are not slowly eased out altogether - but whilst fully aware of what is being done to them.
If the "I" in AIPA stands for "International", then perhaps it might be time to fortify defences, by INCLUDING ALL those pilots relegated to flying International flights under the QF banner.
Let's not allow the petty squabbling detract from the task you guys and girls have at hand.
{I see you're doing a bit of suckin' up of your own there, Amos!But you're right, btw, that Keg DOES have a certain okay style
}
