Mbz
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 131
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Mbz
Plane delayed as controller sleeps in
By Saffron Howden
September 01, 2005
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16455617%255E1702,00.html
Doesn't the red rat operate in MBZs?
By Saffron Howden
September 01, 2005
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16455617%255E1702,00.html
Doesn't the red rat operate in MBZs?
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Posts: 618
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I suppose this could just as easily have said 'Controller caught in Traffic" or "Controller was sick".
But I expect the usual suspects to have a go here shortly.
What I am really interested to know from the PR Machine is what a 'Senior Controller' is? And I would also like to know did they really mean they will have 2 controllers in the tower at all times? That will come as a great surprise to the many single person operations throughout Australia! Oh well, never let the facts get in the way of some good spin!
But I expect the usual suspects to have a go here shortly.
What I am really interested to know from the PR Machine is what a 'Senior Controller' is? And I would also like to know did they really mean they will have 2 controllers in the tower at all times? That will come as a great surprise to the many single person operations throughout Australia! Oh well, never let the facts get in the way of some good spin!
Don Quixote Impersonator
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Australia
Age: 77
Posts: 3,403
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Either way it is appalling that our systems have been brought to the point where one person becoming unavailable for whatever reason brings the whole thing to a halt. 
Maybe our wealthy self apppointed "airspace expert" and aviation enthusiast could sponsor a few extras. It was after all his idea to corporatise and shut down the MBZs.
Maybe our wealthy self apppointed "airspace expert" and aviation enthusiast could sponsor a few extras. It was after all his idea to corporatise and shut down the MBZs.
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Frozen Chunks (Cloud Cuckoo Land)
Age: 17
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not allowed to operate scheduled services in YSCB until tower opened. I flew in the other day, and we had to lose 15 minutes enroute to get there by the time they had their first cuppa!
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 626
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MBZ's
I know there has been a well publicised incident down there but if MBZ'z are OK in other places in Oz out of TWR hours why not down there too?
I am sure there is a good reason.
J
I am sure there is a good reason.
J
Just Binos
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Mackay, Australia
Age: 71
Posts: 1,397
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Heaps of examples in the past when legislation prohibited the aircraft from landing uncontrolled. DC9/727 pilots into Cooly in particular used to tell stories of holding overhead in CAVOK conditions waiting for the dozy controller to arrive, in fact watching his car speed up the access road and timing the process to puffing an all stations call. Been there, done that. (Not in Cooly, btw.)
While I'm sure Hadagutful, and Time Bomb Ted, given their past history of well-reasoned and insightful posts are looking somehow to blame the dreaded ATC for this, there is no legislative impediment to pilots' landing without ATC in those stations where the situation arises.
As previously noted, the only instruction comes from the relevant airline's policy. Take it up with them rather than seeking to advance your personal philosophical gripes here.
While I'm sure Hadagutful, and Time Bomb Ted, given their past history of well-reasoned and insightful posts are looking somehow to blame the dreaded ATC for this, there is no legislative impediment to pilots' landing without ATC in those stations where the situation arises.
As previously noted, the only instruction comes from the relevant airline's policy. Take it up with them rather than seeking to advance your personal philosophical gripes here.
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Think of a happy place. Think of a happy place. Think of a happy place
Posts: 279
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Bino's,
I'm not having a go at ATC, I'm having a go at Airservices for letting this type of thing happen. If it is a company policy, then fair enough, I'll retract my flippant comment about the amount of money spent holding.
It does indeed show poor AsA managment of a simple task however.
TBT
I'm not having a go at ATC, I'm having a go at Airservices for letting this type of thing happen. If it is a company policy, then fair enough, I'll retract my flippant comment about the amount of money spent holding.
It does indeed show poor AsA managment of a simple task however.
TBT
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Think of a happy place. Think of a happy place. Think of a happy place
Posts: 279
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
How could AsA have done anything differently? Surely you are kidding Bino's?
Last time I slept in, it didn't cost one of my clients about a thousand dollars. I'm sure your QA staff would have a fix!
TBT
Last time I slept in, it didn't cost one of my clients about a thousand dollars. I'm sure your QA staff would have a fix!
TBT
Just Binos
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Mackay, Australia
Age: 71
Posts: 1,397
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I've found over the years it is normal for those imbued with the culture of complaint to be considerably better at whingeing than suggesting answers. Nothing's changed, I see.
While the sleep-in was the cause, the airline's policy of not landing when it is an MBZ was a significant issue, for which they hold the blame. I wonder if Jet* and VB would have done the same? I see CASA has also said that landing while an MBZ should not have presented them a problem, and the sky would certainly not have been thick with aircraft at the time. Is it purely a CBR issue (possibility of roos??) or is it company policy Australia-wide?
As to the alarm not going off. Well, for critical early rises I used to set two alarms. 1 x bedside clock/radio and a separate mechanical wake-the-neighbourhood clock in the bathroom, set a few mins. after the first was due to go off. Saved me a number of times, when power failures combined with dead backup batteries took out the clock/radio.
As to the alarm not going off. Well, for critical early rises I used to set two alarms. 1 x bedside clock/radio and a separate mechanical wake-the-neighbourhood clock in the bathroom, set a few mins. after the first was due to go off. Saved me a number of times, when power failures combined with dead backup batteries took out the clock/radio.
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Bleak City
Posts: 229
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Blueloo,
Would you like us to control your tailwind as well? Your skipper knows what time the Tower opens. If you were "not allowed to land" it certainly isn't anything to do with ASA.
Others,
As a controller who works the airspace surrounding the MBZ, I have seen Virgin land whilst an MBZ, I've seen the RAAF land their 737's, we have freight operating in and out all night, What's the big deal? Sounds like a kneejerk reaction to the terrain incident recently.
On another note, if the controller was late and the aircraft didn't receive the service promulgated, why the hell shouldn't ASA compensate the airline? I'm in agreeance with that. The airlines should also be compensated when airspace becomes TIBA'd.
Seems like ASA is the worlds best ANSP until no service is provided, then what?
What's that fat ar$e in Canberras press release gunna say about all the staff shortages and TIBAs, we're all waiting Dick? (no not that Dick)
Now to some words of wisdom from the REAL airspace expert:
Super Cecpit?
Would you like us to control your tailwind as well? Your skipper knows what time the Tower opens. If you were "not allowed to land" it certainly isn't anything to do with ASA.
Others,
As a controller who works the airspace surrounding the MBZ, I have seen Virgin land whilst an MBZ, I've seen the RAAF land their 737's, we have freight operating in and out all night, What's the big deal? Sounds like a kneejerk reaction to the terrain incident recently.
On another note, if the controller was late and the aircraft didn't receive the service promulgated, why the hell shouldn't ASA compensate the airline? I'm in agreeance with that. The airlines should also be compensated when airspace becomes TIBA'd.
Seems like ASA is the worlds best ANSP until no service is provided, then what?
What's that fat ar$e in Canberras press release gunna say about all the staff shortages and TIBAs, we're all waiting Dick? (no not that Dick)
Now to some words of wisdom from the REAL airspace expert:
Super Cecpit?
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 760
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Enrouted admits
"As a controller who works the airspace surrounding the MBZ, I have seen Virgin land whilst an MBZ, I've seen the RAAF land their 737's, we have freight operating in and out all night, What's the big deal?"
Your words enrouted, I see you agree we could do without 5 or 6 towers and associated airspace around the country.
It's good to see you finally admit we are over controlled.
Even kinder regards
SC
Your words enrouted, I see you agree we could do without 5 or 6 towers and associated airspace around the country.
It's good to see you finally admit we are over controlled.
Even kinder regards
SC
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Frozen Chunks (Cloud Cuckoo Land)
Age: 17
Posts: 1,521
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I simply made a statement of what we did and why. I didnt say who why where when or for what we reason we couldnt land, I just said we werent allowed. (in this case company ops dictate)
As a matter of interest we are not meant to land more than 15 mins before scheduled arrival time.
As a matter of interest we are not meant to land more than 15 mins before scheduled arrival time.
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 704
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
As a matter of interest we are not meant to land more than 15 mins before scheduled arrival time
Drop me at my destination 20 mins early - that's a problem how?
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Bleak City
Posts: 229
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Super Cesspit,
I'm pi$$ing myself laughing now, you and your d!ckhead mates INCREASED controlled airspace!
Make up your mind mate, do want more or less?
Suiper Cesspit, resident schizophrenic and sycophant!
I'm pi$$ing myself laughing now, you and your d!ckhead mates INCREASED controlled airspace!
Make up your mind mate, do want more or less?
Suiper Cesspit, resident schizophrenic and sycophant!
