heard a rumour regarding ASIC's!
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CASA and ASIC's
I can see it now, towards the end of the year CASA will be flooded with ASIC applications and will not be able to cope with them all, and the barrage of abuse for not delivering when the cranky pilot is on the phone.
Now this of course is NOT the fault of CASA, so all the CASA bashers out there take note. It’s DOTARS that started this BS in the first place and did not think it through.
If I can make a suggestion (and any CASA staff take this to senior management) and that is, if you have recently been issued with a photo license, you should automatically be sent an ASIC Card. Just spit them out into the post. It would save all the problems and cost far less money to process. After all there is no need to do the checks twice is there.
Anybody not yet upgraded to a photo license still needs to fill in the forms etc but when they are issued the license they get an ASIC as well. The only dumb thing is when it will expire, probably every two years not 5 like the photo license.
Is this common sense or not....?
J
Now this of course is NOT the fault of CASA, so all the CASA bashers out there take note. It’s DOTARS that started this BS in the first place and did not think it through.
If I can make a suggestion (and any CASA staff take this to senior management) and that is, if you have recently been issued with a photo license, you should automatically be sent an ASIC Card. Just spit them out into the post. It would save all the problems and cost far less money to process. After all there is no need to do the checks twice is there.
Anybody not yet upgraded to a photo license still needs to fill in the forms etc but when they are issued the license they get an ASIC as well. The only dumb thing is when it will expire, probably every two years not 5 like the photo license.
Is this common sense or not....?
J
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Someone somewhere suggested a possible partial solution... given that the checks are the same, surely a CASA photo licence could be made the equivalent of a 'grey' ASIC allowing access to the non-RPT areas of the terminal, which is all we as PPLs really need, surely?
Or does that make too much sense?
Or does that make too much sense?
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Don't hold your breath.
Current ASIC holder, applied for new license in May, put on bottom of pile as already security checked.
Worked to top of pile. Need another security check.
Why?
"this ASIC, ahhh, ummmm, doesn't look right"
But it's red and says "AUS" and current and and...
"Sorry"
Next it will be the "our dog ate it" routine, or worse, "who?"
Current ASIC holder, applied for new license in May, put on bottom of pile as already security checked.
Worked to top of pile. Need another security check.
Why?
"this ASIC, ahhh, ummmm, doesn't look right"
But it's red and says "AUS" and current and and...
"Sorry"
Next it will be the "our dog ate it" routine, or worse, "who?"
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sorry J430 but that won't work. CASA in thier infinite wisdom did not include all the checks that are required for ASICs (such as immigration) in thier photo licence scheme. Therefore, the checks are not transferrable and have to be done again. I think the only concession is that if you had your photo id issued in the last 2 years, the checks required for that (like police check) can be transferred to the ASIC, meaning a lower fee (presumably). ASICS only last for 2 years. DOTARS and CASA seem to work from different planets. The public servants at both organisations are not smart enough to work it out, but the (former) minister has a lot to answer for. Incompetence!
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ASIC Blues
Go figure!!!!!
A mate of mine was told he will not be able to fly come 1/1/06 without one!! (DOTARS)
So we both reckon these ASIC's will have magical powers that once hung around your neck they will restore by some telepathic means your flying skills to your brain, so be warned, DO NOT take your dog tag off in flight and give it to the kids in the back seat to play with!!! You will crash with the PIC in the back seat and no controls to rescue you with.
The Lucky Country.... Lucky we get all this entertainment for our tax paying dollar!!
J
A mate of mine was told he will not be able to fly come 1/1/06 without one!! (DOTARS)
So we both reckon these ASIC's will have magical powers that once hung around your neck they will restore by some telepathic means your flying skills to your brain, so be warned, DO NOT take your dog tag off in flight and give it to the kids in the back seat to play with!!! You will crash with the PIC in the back seat and no controls to rescue you with.
The Lucky Country.... Lucky we get all this entertainment for our tax paying dollar!!
J
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just a quick question, will aircrew be forced to take leave, or rostered off, or refuse duty on and after 1/1/06 if their ASIC or new Photo licence hasnt been issued?
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The stupidity of this, and destruction of aviation business, has even made the US Aviation Press (ironically). See here:
http://www.avweb.com/newswire/11_36b.../190540-1.html
http://www.avweb.com/newswire/11_36b.../190540-1.html
Security Rules May Ground Aussie Air-Tour Operators
By Mary Grady
Newswriter, Editor
If you've visited those exhibits for Australian air safaris at Oshkosh or Sun 'n Fun in recent years and thought that would sure be fun to try some day, your chances of ever having that opportunity are about to grow slimmer. Tour operator GOANA announced last week that they will be shutting down at the end of this year, after 12 years of operation, thanks to new security rules that have made it impossible for them to continue. "It comes as a bitter pill to be forced out of business by legislation," said business owner Mal Shipton. The "Enhanced Aviation Security Package" that was adopted by the Australian government in March will have a negative impact on the very people it is supposed to be protecting, he said. The new rules would require so many more fees and approvals, for which there are often months-long backlogs, that "the new arrangements cannot be managed in a manner consistent with the ability to do business," Shipton said. He's making an effort, though, to turn the tide. "If you would like to express your disappointment, angst, or comment on just what a dumb idea these security measures are," Shipton suggests, send e-mail to the Hon Warren Truss, minister for Transport and Regional Affairs, at the Australian Parliament House [email protected], and cc to GOANA [email protected]. "If we had a big response, I feel it may cause the whole security question to be revisited," says Shipton, with true Aussie optimism. For our U.S. readers ... a glimpse into the ground-bound future, perhaps, if we allow "security" to trump freedom.
By Mary Grady
Newswriter, Editor
If you've visited those exhibits for Australian air safaris at Oshkosh or Sun 'n Fun in recent years and thought that would sure be fun to try some day, your chances of ever having that opportunity are about to grow slimmer. Tour operator GOANA announced last week that they will be shutting down at the end of this year, after 12 years of operation, thanks to new security rules that have made it impossible for them to continue. "It comes as a bitter pill to be forced out of business by legislation," said business owner Mal Shipton. The "Enhanced Aviation Security Package" that was adopted by the Australian government in March will have a negative impact on the very people it is supposed to be protecting, he said. The new rules would require so many more fees and approvals, for which there are often months-long backlogs, that "the new arrangements cannot be managed in a manner consistent with the ability to do business," Shipton said. He's making an effort, though, to turn the tide. "If you would like to express your disappointment, angst, or comment on just what a dumb idea these security measures are," Shipton suggests, send e-mail to the Hon Warren Truss, minister for Transport and Regional Affairs, at the Australian Parliament House [email protected], and cc to GOANA [email protected]. "If we had a big response, I feel it may cause the whole security question to be revisited," says Shipton, with true Aussie optimism. For our U.S. readers ... a glimpse into the ground-bound future, perhaps, if we allow "security" to trump freedom.
