MAS 777 Emergency
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MAS 777 Emergency
Hey guys,
Anyone catch the news this evening regarding the grounded MAS 777 at YPPH. They said it was due to a fault in the flight instrument system.
By chance a good mate was onbaord and was told and is 100% sure it was engine failure. Captain lied at first and claimed it was instrument error. Later F/As confirmed my mates thoughts that it was an engine failure. The failure and subsequent turn around happened during the cruise at FL380 just south of YGEL. He said the aircraft pitched up and turned around at same time as begining decent. He was watching the speed decay on the TV display.
Aircraft is grounded over night at YPPH. All pax have been put in hotels and told another aircraft is due to depart again tomorow at 1630.
Very interesting. Would you tell pax it was eng failure or would you make a lie up???
Suppose whenever "eng failure" is said to pax they tend to overreact and are unaware of how bad one really is.
Cyro
Just another point to look at....
Would you normally expect some kind of a noise as a pax to tell you that the engine has failed before the pilot has cut the fuel feed and subsequently shut her down?
In this case there was no noise. But yet the plane was check after it arrived and has been grounded by engineers.
Gyro
Anyone catch the news this evening regarding the grounded MAS 777 at YPPH. They said it was due to a fault in the flight instrument system.
By chance a good mate was onbaord and was told and is 100% sure it was engine failure. Captain lied at first and claimed it was instrument error. Later F/As confirmed my mates thoughts that it was an engine failure. The failure and subsequent turn around happened during the cruise at FL380 just south of YGEL. He said the aircraft pitched up and turned around at same time as begining decent. He was watching the speed decay on the TV display.
Aircraft is grounded over night at YPPH. All pax have been put in hotels and told another aircraft is due to depart again tomorow at 1630.
Very interesting. Would you tell pax it was eng failure or would you make a lie up???
Suppose whenever "eng failure" is said to pax they tend to overreact and are unaware of how bad one really is.
Cyro
Just another point to look at....
Would you normally expect some kind of a noise as a pax to tell you that the engine has failed before the pilot has cut the fuel feed and subsequently shut her down?
In this case there was no noise. But yet the plane was check after it arrived and has been grounded by engineers.
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Well, I heard it was a loss of instruments. If that was so, being glass cockpit, then the aircraft could have also lost engine instruments, and would have to fly the aircraft, and set throttles by feel or ear. That could account for change in engine noise and airspeed.
And, if I was a passenger on a 777, I think I would rather hear that one engine failed, than hear that all the instruments failed!!
Also, footage that I saw of the aircraft at the terminal, didnt show any engine cowls open..
However, will find out more when back at work at the tower tomorrow ;-)
And, if I was a passenger on a 777, I think I would rather hear that one engine failed, than hear that all the instruments failed!!
Also, footage that I saw of the aircraft at the terminal, didnt show any engine cowls open..
However, will find out more when back at work at the tower tomorrow ;-)
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A reputable airline would never tell the passengers that an engine has 'failed', standard procedure is to say that 'we have had to shut down an angine'.
It could well have been something along the lines of 'instruments on the flight deck indicated that we should shut down the engine, so thats what we have carried out'. This could explain the connection between 'instruments and engines'.
It could well have been something along the lines of 'instruments on the flight deck indicated that we should shut down the engine, so thats what we have carried out'. This could explain the connection between 'instruments and engines'.
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Is your good mate a pilot or LAME?
Wouldn't the aircraft pitch DOWN and yaw with an engine failure? I think you would have known about an unexpected failure much more than a checklist shutdown.
But that's just me, and I'm neither of the above ... just working on it.
Wouldn't the aircraft pitch DOWN and yaw with an engine failure? I think you would have known about an unexpected failure much more than a checklist shutdown.
But that's just me, and I'm neither of the above ... just working on it.
Evertonian
As for telling the pax, well, they were never in danger. Especially if there wasn't a singing Nun, an alcoholic, a sick child on it's way to a life saving operation, a......
We were told on descent to Perth that the said acft had control problems. Radio comms also picked up that possible Auto throttle was U/S and the F/O IVSI was not working. They were given Groundspeed cjeck down final by tower.
All dealt with, no big deal....still, didn't stop tv helicopters flying over to broadcast the possible fiery end.
All dealt with, no big deal....still, didn't stop tv helicopters flying over to broadcast the possible fiery end.
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The mate is a CPL holder. Im sure what he says is correct with what happened. Ie. it deffinetly pitched up before banking.
Gyro
Hmmmm,
I think we need some info from someone in the know....
Anyone????
Gyro
Gyro
Hmmmm,
I think we need some info from someone in the know....
Anyone????
Gyro
No way one could set thrust by the ears in a 777!!! The cockpit is almost 100 ft from the motors.Only time one can hear the motors is at takeoff thrust and setting climb thrust which give a unique grind. A/T can set thrust in tendem with EEC to give the right speed.
It is possible to decent even just an instrument failure as to get out of RVSM airspace asap.As a result,the reduction in thrust couple with the turn and pitch down would seems like an engine failure. However, in a modern a/c like 777, pax may not even be able to feel a engine failure given amount of technology fitted in the a/c.
It is possible to decent even just an instrument failure as to get out of RVSM airspace asap.As a result,the reduction in thrust couple with the turn and pitch down would seems like an engine failure. However, in a modern a/c like 777, pax may not even be able to feel a engine failure given amount of technology fitted in the a/c.
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flt leader is correct. In 777 there should be no immediate, appreciable pitch or yaw. The FBW pitch channel will look after the pitch and the TAC will look after the yaw.
Working properly the A/P will allow the speed to wash off while the crew activate the drift down. When driftdown speed is reached a gentle descent will be initiated. Should the crew fail to execute the drift down, speed will wash off to a preset margin above the stall (about 1.2 VS from memory) and will then descend at that speed until level flt is achievable.
Flt ldr..... they are engines, not motors.
TO
flt leader is correct. In 777 there should be no immediate, appreciable pitch or yaw. The FBW pitch channel will look after the pitch and the TAC will look after the yaw.
Working properly the A/P will allow the speed to wash off while the crew activate the drift down. When driftdown speed is reached a gentle descent will be initiated. Should the crew fail to execute the drift down, speed will wash off to a preset margin above the stall (about 1.2 VS from memory) and will then descend at that speed until level flt is achievable.
Flt ldr..... they are engines, not motors.
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Aircraft Type???
A search on Expedia.com shows Malaysian as flying a 727-200 (???) on that route (Perth to KL) as flight 124.
Haven't seen any 727's at Perth in many a year whenever I've passed through.
Haven't seen any 727's at Perth in many a year whenever I've passed through.
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Well, a look at Malaysia Airlines shows that they have a daily 772 service and a weekly 330 service between PER and KUL. And I personally have only seen ML 777s and 330s in PER in recent years. Certainly not 747s, and, blimey, 727's....?
"Expedia" rhymes with "media".... and they're both wrong!
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777 and 330 are pretty common down to perth however they were running the 747-400 for a little while instead of the 777 earlier this year and possibly late last year with the 777 comming back recently
CC
777 and 330 are pretty common down to perth however they were running the 747-400 for a little while instead of the 777 earlier this year and possibly late last year with the 777 comming back recently
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we actually have several 727's a day at perth, though they are the AAE freighters. They are a pleasure to hear taking off though.
I thought someone must have got it wrong in the press release cause most of the international flights through here are the larger twins
I thought someone must have got it wrong in the press release cause most of the international flights through here are the larger twins
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Kim Holst, who had never flown before, said the plane began shuddering violently and dropping more than 100m at a time over about 90 seconds.
I wonder if the fella who invented all this IFE stuff would have ever guessed that some spotter would use it to determine rates of climb, or in this case plumet!!!!
Hmm 300 feet in 90secs....might have been my straight and level!!
Have been told by the TVL refueler that you have to get pretty darn low to land a 777.
Don
Hmm 300 feet in 90secs....might have been my straight and level!!
Have been told by the TVL refueler that you have to get pretty darn low to land a 777.
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The mate is a CPL holder. Im sure what he says is correct with what happened. Ie. it deffinetly pitched up before banking.
Cool demeanour & calm thinking is a main critirea in this high risk job.This is when we earn the big bucks that we get (not big enough though)
At the end of the day congratulations are in order for a job well done to the crew.Heard through the grapevine that an ADIRU failure occured (which is quite a major problem) & it was handled well by the crew.Kudos guys.