VALE Reg (Mice) Meissner
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Reg (Mice) Meissner
Reg pulls the pin as AIP Editor at Airservices Australia on Friday, July 15, after 15 years in the role.
While many in the industry probably have never had any contact with Reg, those of us who have regard him as one of the few people in Airservices who could spot bull**** at 100m and was never backwards in coming forward when he thought real stupidity was about to occur.
Mice could never be described as a diplomat – full and frank barely covers the ground a Reg statement about the latest silly missive from management would.
Having had the good fortune to come into contact with Reg in his RAAF days, he was, allegedly, the nation’s oldest fighter pilot at one point, I learned that what he didn’t know about flying probably would fit on the back of a postage stamp. I also met through him some very dangerous people, especially in bars.
Being the fisherman he is Reg, in his retirement, plans to fish every stretch of water he hasn’t already in the Commonwealth. If you happen across him be aware that joining Reg in a drink should only be entertained after a long period of training, said training to include the consumption of vast amounts of alcohol over a long period of time.
As a younger man I was once invited to join Reg and his mate Ron McGrath, aka Magilla, in a Guinness or two. Several billion dead brain cells later I departed to crash into a horizontal position while the RAAFia duo departed to eat and find other victims. You have been warned!
Reg, happy fishing and may you never again hear the call “no joy”.
While many in the industry probably have never had any contact with Reg, those of us who have regard him as one of the few people in Airservices who could spot bull**** at 100m and was never backwards in coming forward when he thought real stupidity was about to occur.
Mice could never be described as a diplomat – full and frank barely covers the ground a Reg statement about the latest silly missive from management would.
Having had the good fortune to come into contact with Reg in his RAAF days, he was, allegedly, the nation’s oldest fighter pilot at one point, I learned that what he didn’t know about flying probably would fit on the back of a postage stamp. I also met through him some very dangerous people, especially in bars.
Being the fisherman he is Reg, in his retirement, plans to fish every stretch of water he hasn’t already in the Commonwealth. If you happen across him be aware that joining Reg in a drink should only be entertained after a long period of training, said training to include the consumption of vast amounts of alcohol over a long period of time.
As a younger man I was once invited to join Reg and his mate Ron McGrath, aka Magilla, in a Guinness or two. Several billion dead brain cells later I departed to crash into a horizontal position while the RAAFia duo departed to eat and find other victims. You have been warned!
Reg, happy fishing and may you never again hear the call “no joy”.
And he did manage to beat that Lamborghini in a drag race. Of course, he did cheat a little by taking a leak and emptying all the change out of his pockets before jumping into the Mirage he was flying at the time….
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Not sure about Mice ever being the nation's oldest fighter pilot - but he certainly claimed to be the world's best. Didn't he ever tell you?
Mice, enjoy your well earned retirement.
Not sure about Mice ever being the nation's oldest fighter pilot - but he certainly claimed to be the world's best. Didn't he ever tell you?
Mice, enjoy your well earned retirement.
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I believe he also set the 'Short Field Landing' record for the Mirage on his last flight. Stopped the French Lady in about 1500 feet. His formation callsign at the time was almost always "Bacchus 1" (for reasons mentioned above). 
Clinton-
You have the story a bit bass ackwards:
The RAAF chose the lightest aircraft in the fleet, put the minimum amount of fuel in it, and looked for the scrawniest pilot - and found Mice.
The owner of the Lambo, Paul Halstead, thought this was really unfair (he was a big fella) so he removed his loose change and had a piddle.
When the flag dropped, Paul had the jump because Reg still had to light the burner after releasing brakes, then bring the burner up. He caught the Lambo just before the quarter mile marker, and continued airborne for a min fuel circuit.
And yes, as well as being the oldest, he was the best.
You have the story a bit bass ackwards:
The RAAF chose the lightest aircraft in the fleet, put the minimum amount of fuel in it, and looked for the scrawniest pilot - and found Mice.
The owner of the Lambo, Paul Halstead, thought this was really unfair (he was a big fella) so he removed his loose change and had a piddle.
When the flag dropped, Paul had the jump because Reg still had to light the burner after releasing brakes, then bring the burner up. He caught the Lambo just before the quarter mile marker, and continued airborne for a min fuel circuit.
And yes, as well as being the oldest, he was the best.
AC
You're probably spot on - my memories of those good ol' days as a groundy at 77SQN are fading fast.
I watched the drag from a distance and got the account of the pre-drag preparations third-hand.
Someone should organise a Mice Memorial drag – Hornet and, what? Maybe an F40? Or perhaps the nice folks at Temora could get a Mirage back in the air....
You're probably spot on - my memories of those good ol' days as a groundy at 77SQN are fading fast.
I watched the drag from a distance and got the account of the pre-drag preparations third-hand.
Someone should organise a Mice Memorial drag – Hornet and, what? Maybe an F40? Or perhaps the nice folks at Temora could get a Mirage back in the air....
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I think to be fair to Mice (given the unassuming person that he is) (?) he never claimed to be the world's greatest fighter pilot.
He always claimed to be the world's second greatest fighter pilot. He based this on the assumption that there must be someone better than him - he simply hadn't ever met such a person.
Reg, you are a legend! Not just for your days of testing both the aviation and alcoholic envelopes, but for your good humour and fearless ability to tell it like it is.
I will miss your valuable experience, stories, advise and most of all the safe haven from Canberra's political correctness you provided.
Best f@#$%& wishes!
He always claimed to be the world's second greatest fighter pilot. He based this on the assumption that there must be someone better than him - he simply hadn't ever met such a person.
Reg, you are a legend! Not just for your days of testing both the aviation and alcoholic envelopes, but for your good humour and fearless ability to tell it like it is.
I will miss your valuable experience, stories, advise and most of all the safe haven from Canberra's political correctness you provided.
Best f@#$%& wishes!
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Not quite. Many years ago, at the then HQOC Officers' Mess Bar at Glenbrook, at a 'Pay Night Buffet' (remember those?), I witnessed Mice trying to convince a visiting RN pilot that he (Mice) was the world's best fighter jock. After some little time of listening politely, the visiting RN pilot turned to the barman, and asked for a pair of scissors. On receipt of same, the visiting RN officer then cut off Mice's tie, just underneath the knot. For once in the time that I knew him, Mice was speechless!
Mice had characteristics of leadership that endeared him to his troops. He was never afraid to get his hands dirty; and would never ask anyone to do something that he wasn't prepared to do himself. And he could fly the Mirage!
Not quite. Many years ago, at the then HQOC Officers' Mess Bar at Glenbrook, at a 'Pay Night Buffet' (remember those?), I witnessed Mice trying to convince a visiting RN pilot that he (Mice) was the world's best fighter jock. After some little time of listening politely, the visiting RN pilot turned to the barman, and asked for a pair of scissors. On receipt of same, the visiting RN officer then cut off Mice's tie, just underneath the knot. For once in the time that I knew him, Mice was speechless!
Mice had characteristics of leadership that endeared him to his troops. He was never afraid to get his hands dirty; and would never ask anyone to do something that he wasn't prepared to do himself. And he could fly the Mirage!
As I recall I was in Butterworth at the time, Ascend Charlie, and I only heard about it through the ‘rumour ripple’ – probably got reversed and exaggerated at the first retelling!
The only time I had the honour of meeting and talking with Reg was, ironically, in his post-RAAF capacity as AIP manager. Which reminds me – the next time we meet I must remonstrate with him about the cockpit-unfriendly brick that the AIP’s become, although I’d guess that the format wasn’t his bright idea and he would have expressed his views on the subject frankly and fearlessly at the time.
The only time I had the honour of meeting and talking with Reg was, ironically, in his post-RAAF capacity as AIP manager. Which reminds me – the next time we meet I must remonstrate with him about the cockpit-unfriendly brick that the AIP’s become, although I’d guess that the format wasn’t his bright idea and he would have expressed his views on the subject frankly and fearlessly at the time.
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I must remonstrate with him about the cockpit-unfriendly brick that the AIP’s become
Thank Reg that the AIP isn't the size of a small suitcase. If it was left to ATC-trained personnel, it would be. And if the responsibility for the AIP was left to the whims of the AsA senior management, they'd scrap it completely in favour of whiteboards and pilot education coarses in mind-reading.
Reg worked out long ago that shooting people in peacetime is a jailable offense - and unfortunately that even applied to some air traffic controllers and managers. He's leaving a good team without an engaging storyteller and entertainer. The AsA offices will be a lot quieter without him. I feel sorry for the Commonwealth waterways tsnake. There'll be no peace and quiet with Reg around, even in his retirement.
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I met Mice on a couple of occasions - once on a Huey det to Billsville I witnessed a verbal battle between an ex-Mirage jock undergoing helo course (no names, he is still an active helo operator) and Mice - something about "pipper on target" - that went well beyond O God Double 0. Next morning launched in the backseat of a Miracle as Mice's No 2 for a spot of 1v1! Interesting experience!
Oh for the day's of Yore when the world as we knew it had a fair share of aviators similar to Mice, people who knew how to do the job and were not hamstrung by rules for the sake and without the dogooder's PC bull**** of today.
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Oh for the day's of Yore when the world as we knew it had a fair share of aviators similar to Mice, people who knew how to do the job and were not hamstrung by rules for the sake and without the dogooder's PC bull**** of today.
GAGS
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Knew Mice well at Willy in the 70's..... got the dead brain cells to prove it.....
As memory serves, it wasn't a Mirage... to quote Mice... twas "a flaming aluminium death tube strapped to my ar$e..."
good times, unique bloke...
As memory serves, it wasn't a Mirage... to quote Mice... twas "a flaming aluminium death tube strapped to my ar$e..."
good times, unique bloke...
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I can't recall Reg ever telling me he was the best but, like Neddy, can recall numerous occasions when he proclaimed himself the second best, as Neddy attests. I can only add that a longtime blue suiter who flew with Reg once told me that in his role as a Mirage FCI he had turned out many very good fighter pilots, something I suspect Reg is very proud of.
And I do recall Thursday nights up the hill at Glenbrook.
Lowdown
Save your pity, the fish know what they are in for! Maybe we will see a repeat of the fishing trip with his son, also an aviator (driving Eurotigers with the Army the lucky bastard), when they took a helo to FNQ, landed by a river and fished for a week, if memory serves correctly. I did wonder for a while why the crocs didn't go for Reg until I worked out that he was a) packing heat or b) the crocs recognised a fellow natural-born killer and extended him a little professional courtesy. I firmly suspect the latter.
I can't recall Reg ever telling me he was the best but, like Neddy, can recall numerous occasions when he proclaimed himself the second best, as Neddy attests. I can only add that a longtime blue suiter who flew with Reg once told me that in his role as a Mirage FCI he had turned out many very good fighter pilots, something I suspect Reg is very proud of.
And I do recall Thursday nights up the hill at Glenbrook.
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Save your pity, the fish know what they are in for! Maybe we will see a repeat of the fishing trip with his son, also an aviator (driving Eurotigers with the Army the lucky bastard), when they took a helo to FNQ, landed by a river and fished for a week, if memory serves correctly. I did wonder for a while why the crocs didn't go for Reg until I worked out that he was a) packing heat or b) the crocs recognised a fellow natural-born killer and extended him a little professional courtesy. I firmly suspect the latter.
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Geez.... I can't believe this is the total response to this thread. Goddammit, the guy was a legend in his own lifetime. If we don't get some more responses/funny stories/anecdotes I'll......... I'll..... I'll bloody well tell Mice... and we all know what his reaction will be. And we don't want him yelling at us now do we..... (shudder)
Geez.... I can't believe this is the total response to this thread. Goddammit, the guy was a legend in his own lifetime. If we don't get some more responses/funny stories/anecdotes I'll......... I'll..... I'll bloody well tell Mice... and we all know what his reaction will be. And we don't want him yelling at us now do we..... (shudder)
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Given your lack of bio details, I can only assume you were in short pants at the time.
Tuppy
Totally agree.
Another memory I have of Mice is when he was Air Staff Officer at HQBUT in the early 80s. I was there for a staff visit on the day the annual promotion list came out. There was the usual rite of passage in the Mess. Unfortunately, Mice was destined to dine on the Feast of the Passover that night - which he did in his usual flamboyant and in vino veritas manner.
I was due to RTA the next day via the BU. I recall boarding the acft feeling a little less than pristine. We duly got airborne and became established in the climb. To my surprise, on looking out of the hold window, I saw a Mirage closing on us. The pilot waved, and then rolled over the Herc several times. Guess who?
What a guy. What a shame the RAAF senior management of the day lacked the intestinal fortitude to promote a man who could inspire and lead. What a loss!
Given your lack of bio details, I can only assume you were in short pants at the time.
Tuppy
Totally agree.
Another memory I have of Mice is when he was Air Staff Officer at HQBUT in the early 80s. I was there for a staff visit on the day the annual promotion list came out. There was the usual rite of passage in the Mess. Unfortunately, Mice was destined to dine on the Feast of the Passover that night - which he did in his usual flamboyant and in vino veritas manner.
I was due to RTA the next day via the BU. I recall boarding the acft feeling a little less than pristine. We duly got airborne and became established in the climb. To my surprise, on looking out of the hold window, I saw a Mirage closing on us. The pilot waved, and then rolled over the Herc several times. Guess who?
What a guy. What a shame the RAAF senior management of the day lacked the intestinal fortitude to promote a man who could inspire and lead. What a loss!
Vale Reg (Mice) Meissner
For those who may not know, Mice passed away in tragic circumstances nearly 2 weeks ago. There is going to be a memorial service in Canberra, possibly next week (details not known yet). It will be standing room only where ever they have it.
You can see what a great guy he was from the previous posts when he retired.
He will be sadly missed by everyone who knew him.
Would like to hear more stories about him if anyone has any. Let him live on in our memories of him.
You can see what a great guy he was from the previous posts when he retired.
He will be sadly missed by everyone who knew him.
Would like to hear more stories about him if anyone has any. Let him live on in our memories of him.