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"Lead Ballon"
Thanks for the grammar lesson (yeah I know, said I would not respond) but this site does not run spell checker (and grammar) so who cares if that's all you can worry about.
Had to look around this site and well at least you got a bit angry to fire one back at me, keeps the old brain going sure as hell cannot (can't, ) be bothered by trivial things.
Thanks for the grammar lesson (yeah I know, said I would not respond) but this site does not run spell checker (and grammar) so who cares if that's all you can worry about.
Had to look around this site and well at least you got a bit angry to fire one back at me, keeps the old brain going sure as hell cannot (can't, ) be bothered by trivial things.
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I don't know about Peter Cosgrove being "one of our greatest leaders in the last 30 years". Says who? The guy is nothing more than a publicist for the army. That was the role he played in Timor and suddenly he's a friggin hero.
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The last company I worked for that employed an ex Australian Army senior Officer to run things was destroyed inside 6 mths.
This idiot turned up just a few weeks after getting out after 25+ years in the Army and was so ill equiped to cope with civil life it was bizarre.
I know a Psycologist making a very tidy living unbrainwashing ex mil officers...sad but true.
Career mil, particularly ex army, officers who achieve senior rank are very rarely able to function in a system where people don't;
1/. Snap to attention at there mere presence,
2/. Respond to orders with "YES SIR!"
Without a LOT of retraining.
When their perceived subordinates not only refuse to react as above but also challenge them over stupid decisions they self destruct...it is beyond them.
Give the man a good pension and a greatfull nation's thanks...then tell him to go fishing!
This idiot turned up just a few weeks after getting out after 25+ years in the Army and was so ill equiped to cope with civil life it was bizarre.
I know a Psycologist making a very tidy living unbrainwashing ex mil officers...sad but true.
Career mil, particularly ex army, officers who achieve senior rank are very rarely able to function in a system where people don't;
1/. Snap to attention at there mere presence,
2/. Respond to orders with "YES SIR!"
Without a LOT of retraining.
When their perceived subordinates not only refuse to react as above but also challenge them over stupid decisions they self destruct...it is beyond them.
Give the man a good pension and a greatfull nation's thanks...then tell him to go fishing!
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Chimbu, with the greatest respect, your generalisation is bull$hit.
Maple21, before you open your mouth you should at least attempt to gain a little knowledge in the topic to which you gibber about. I will only say one does not get awarded the Military Cross for pushing a pen.
Maple21, before you open your mouth you should at least attempt to gain a little knowledge in the topic to which you gibber about. I will only say one does not get awarded the Military Cross for pushing a pen.
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Gotta agree with Red here.
Chimbu, there are just as many clowns in the civilian world. I know - I've seen both. You get them in all walks of life. Unfortunately, people like you tend to generalise and categorise to suit your own argument.
And Maple? Do a web search and find out why a Military Cross is awarded, and just what Peter Cosgrove did to earn his. Then tell us all what YOUR credentials are.
Or you can just shut your pathetic cake hole.
Chimbu, there are just as many clowns in the civilian world. I know - I've seen both. You get them in all walks of life. Unfortunately, people like you tend to generalise and categorise to suit your own argument.
And Maple? Do a web search and find out why a Military Cross is awarded, and just what Peter Cosgrove did to earn his. Then tell us all what YOUR credentials are.
Or you can just shut your pathetic cake hole.
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I have had the same expereince as Chimbu.
One used to boast to anyone who would listen how he didn't have a pair of shoes until he went to secondary school in Kalgoorlie, he went on to become an Airforce Officer and subsequently ran a large Australian company into the ground. He is doing same to an NZ company at present. He has mental problems.
Another one behaved like an Easter Island statue but was not as useful.
A few others I've met were nice blokes but ineffectual.
There are a few very good ones around.
As for Board appointments. I don't understand the logic of the appointment, however it may be justified by his ties to Government, especially Defence. It may also be justified by keeping someone else OFF the Board.
As for how Boards work, their function is about Risk Management and Corporate Governance. If you are a Board wannabee who thinks it is easy being on a Board or working to a Board, think again
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One used to boast to anyone who would listen how he didn't have a pair of shoes until he went to secondary school in Kalgoorlie, he went on to become an Airforce Officer and subsequently ran a large Australian company into the ground. He is doing same to an NZ company at present. He has mental problems.
Another one behaved like an Easter Island statue but was not as useful.
A few others I've met were nice blokes but ineffectual.
There are a few very good ones around.
As for Board appointments. I don't understand the logic of the appointment, however it may be justified by his ties to Government, especially Defence. It may also be justified by keeping someone else OFF the Board.
As for how Boards work, their function is about Risk Management and Corporate Governance. If you are a Board wannabee who thinks it is easy being on a Board or working to a Board, think again
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The obvious inference from your post Sunfish, is that Peter Cosgrove must at best have mental problems, or at worst be an ineffectual Easter Island statue?
Spare me.
Show everybody your claim to fame why don't you. Instead of casting "nasturtiums" at both Qantas and ex-military personnel, why dont you give us all your resume? Tell us all why you are no longer a CEO, most likely of a fish and chip store....
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Are you are shareholder of Qantas, Sunfish? If not, then the appointment of Peter Cosgrove to the board is NONE of YOUR BUSINESS. So go away.....
Spare me.
Show everybody your claim to fame why don't you. Instead of casting "nasturtiums" at both Qantas and ex-military personnel, why dont you give us all your resume? Tell us all why you are no longer a CEO, most likely of a fish and chip store....
? Are you are shareholder of Qantas, Sunfish? If not, then the appointment of Peter Cosgrove to the board is NONE of YOUR BUSINESS. So go away.....
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Sunfish, your last post describes 90% of the general "business" population, nothing to do with having been in the military at all. You will find that that mold fits the vast majority of inept, inefectual and "mental" managers who have risen through the ranks not on ability, but purely because of political manouvering and plain old horse traiding.
Why some of you have your knickers in a twist is really beyond me...............
Why some of you have your knickers in a twist is really beyond me...............
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Sunfish
No idea whether Cosgrove will be any good or not, but I have to point out that:
1. You have been a 'not infrequent' (pathological?) critic of QF for many reasons.
2. In the last 6 years the QF share price has done nothing but drop from ~$5 to ~$3.30 and stagnate there.
3. While profitable, QF arguably has shown little strategic direction beyond cost-cutting, at the expense of customer service and staff morale.
and
4. Points 1 to 3 have all occurred under a very much non-military board - people like Margaret Jackson (how's Southcorp been doing in recent years?), Trevor 'Offset Alpine' Kennedy, and that great born-and-bred-to-business, totally-unpolluted-by-the-military, success story, James Packer.
Are you really arguing that Cosgrove can be very much worse?
No idea whether Cosgrove will be any good or not, but I have to point out that:
1. You have been a 'not infrequent' (pathological?) critic of QF for many reasons.
2. In the last 6 years the QF share price has done nothing but drop from ~$5 to ~$3.30 and stagnate there.
3. While profitable, QF arguably has shown little strategic direction beyond cost-cutting, at the expense of customer service and staff morale.
and
4. Points 1 to 3 have all occurred under a very much non-military board - people like Margaret Jackson (how's Southcorp been doing in recent years?), Trevor 'Offset Alpine' Kennedy, and that great born-and-bred-to-business, totally-unpolluted-by-the-military, success story, James Packer.
Are you really arguing that Cosgrove can be very much worse?
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Please note that I have nothing against Cosgrove at all, still less ex military persons. I have noted that perhaps the ones I've run into (with one or two exceptions) were not ideally suited to being managers - giving orders? Yes! But managing people?
Also I have not criticized the appointment. I just do not understand why it was made. Please explain?
Also I have not criticized the appointment. I just do not understand why it was made. Please explain?
