Singapore girl, you're a great way to fly!
$AUD1.00 = $USD0.76
Shnauzer
Hadagutful did the translation of AUD to USD for you - if you read his post!
What was it you said, ah yes.... RTFP.
As for Qantas and SQ... Seems to me like there is no such thing as a level playing field for airlines and hasn't been since the whole thing started. But it also seems to me that there are too many airlines, doing too poor of a job due to government imposed restrictions.
We should allow Qantas to be able to sell its shares without impediment and we should not protect one business at a cost to consumers.
Hadagutful did the translation of AUD to USD for you - if you read his post!
What was it you said, ah yes.... RTFP.
As for Qantas and SQ... Seems to me like there is no such thing as a level playing field for airlines and hasn't been since the whole thing started. But it also seems to me that there are too many airlines, doing too poor of a job due to government imposed restrictions.
We should allow Qantas to be able to sell its shares without impediment and we should not protect one business at a cost to consumers.
Ninj,
You will never better your own conditions by berating those who have improved/better conditions.
Sadly, even some withinin the QF fleets can't see this.
Put your efforts into improving things for yourself, not whining about what others have got.
I really hate the bludger at a party who knocks every and all that he perceives has more or has it better than him, yet is totally unwilling to get off his a%$e and do something for himself.
You will never better your own conditions by berating those who have improved/better conditions.
Sadly, even some withinin the QF fleets can't see this.
Put your efforts into improving things for yourself, not whining about what others have got.
I really hate the bludger at a party who knocks every and all that he perceives has more or has it better than him, yet is totally unwilling to get off his a%$e and do something for himself.
Flying Ninja,
QF Long haul pilots fly in conditions that you'll never see,(ie blowing snow, very low RVR's, foreign language problems, alternates hours away etc etc) work up to 20 hours at a time. So I would hardly argue that they couldn't hack domestic OZ jobs. Infact I would suggest many would find it VERY BORING. And if they can negotiate a very high salary package when then more fool you!! Instead of comlaining abiut it GO AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!
QF Long haul pilots fly in conditions that you'll never see,(ie blowing snow, very low RVR's, foreign language problems, alternates hours away etc etc) work up to 20 hours at a time. So I would hardly argue that they couldn't hack domestic OZ jobs. Infact I would suggest many would find it VERY BORING. And if they can negotiate a very high salary package when then more fool you!! Instead of comlaining abiut it GO AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!
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Woomera, can you set up a kindergarten forum for the likes of Ninja please?
Don't you Qantas dudes also do four sims a year? If that's the case, that means your licence is on the line four times per year. I take my hat off to you blokes and think you deserve everything you get.
Don't you Qantas dudes also do four sims a year? If that's the case, that means your licence is on the line four times per year. I take my hat off to you blokes and think you deserve everything you get.
Nunc est bibendum
Ninja, I remember a wise old skipper telling me once, 'our pay isn't for what we do every day, it's for what we may be required to do on those half a dozen days per annum or per career'.
As for domestic stuff? Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. I can do it but you're correct about doing it on J* or DJ wages! I have zero desire to do that and nor should any pilot have to. Personally, I reckon that both groups are significantly underpaid. I'm hoping that being a part of AIPA can help out the former (although that is a can of worms in itself) and I'm certainly on the side of the DJ drivers in trying to improve their pay and conditions.
As for domestic stuff? Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. I can do it but you're correct about doing it on J* or DJ wages! I have zero desire to do that and nor should any pilot have to. Personally, I reckon that both groups are significantly underpaid. I'm hoping that being a part of AIPA can help out the former (although that is a can of worms in itself) and I'm certainly on the side of the DJ drivers in trying to improve their pay and conditions.
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To those who find what I have said so insulting.
Don't need to qualify my credentials to know sh1t when I can smell and in this case read it.
My comment was to Blue loo saying he was getting a reaming.
I am not complaining about my lot as it is as good as I can get. I am not even complaining about what QF guys make, good luck to them.
I am complaining about Blue loo thinking he is hard done by.
I believe the comparison with VB/Jstar and GA pilots is correct.
You want to argue? List your QF package.
Jstar is offering $124,000 per annum plus super of 8 or 10% for a captain. That's it. No allowances.
Think that the work is too easy? Anyone know what a JetBlue captain makes flying in and out of New York in winter?
Over to you......for a 747 package
Don't need to qualify my credentials to know sh1t when I can smell and in this case read it.
My comment was to Blue loo saying he was getting a reaming.
I am not complaining about my lot as it is as good as I can get. I am not even complaining about what QF guys make, good luck to them.
I am complaining about Blue loo thinking he is hard done by.
I believe the comparison with VB/Jstar and GA pilots is correct.
You want to argue? List your QF package.
Jstar is offering $124,000 per annum plus super of 8 or 10% for a captain. That's it. No allowances.
Think that the work is too easy? Anyone know what a JetBlue captain makes flying in and out of New York in winter?
Over to you......for a 747 package
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Ninja, whilst you try to find reverse gear by trying to deflect your rather deserved flak by saying your post was directed at me, methinks you should spend more time thinking about the drivel you type. If you insult an entire group of aviators in a company by saying they are overpaid and can't hack domestic work you are clearly 
in the head.
Further to the above, yes I think given QFs profitability we are getting a reaming. I also think Jetstar and Virgin are getting reamed.....the difference is, some people were willing to take a bigger reaming than others.
I personally, unlike you, would like to see their conditions improve, as I would like mine to. You apparently, would like to screw fellow aviators and yourself.
Unfortunately, people like you have helped lower the conditions to what you see.
in the head.Further to the above, yes I think given QFs profitability we are getting a reaming. I also think Jetstar and Virgin are getting reamed.....the difference is, some people were willing to take a bigger reaming than others.
I personally, unlike you, would like to see their conditions improve, as I would like mine to. You apparently, would like to screw fellow aviators and yourself.
Unfortunately, people like you have helped lower the conditions to what you see.
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Ninja et all,
The paradyme shift from "Long Haul" to "Domestic" apart from the so called pay and conditions is a tin of worms in itself.
Having trained/assessed Senior F/Os from the long haul fleets where 10 sectors a month was the norm,to do 25/30 in a week caused some people to melt at the pace of it all.
Very different process, not to be taken lightly at all, physically, physiologically, socially etc.
I have mostly done "short", longest crew airborne was 8.30 Hobart-Singapore, no wish ever to do the longer, sleep broken, split duties at all. Those of my peers who do the 14/18 hour legs age far too quickly for my liking, so if they get the $, bloddy good luck to them.
So far this year as a pax, 20 sectors of 5/6 hours is plenty thank you, the simulator is a quiet have of electronic wizardry to weave the magic of endorsements and renewals to a wide variety of "victims" and a nice way to chuff off to the roses and slippers.
As to who gets what for doing the task of Aviation in this day and age, YOU/WE are all in the main YOUR/OUR own enemies, if you accept crap, there are always second helpings available from the Masters and Commanders, thats why so many did what they did in a previous life/situation on both "sides"
As pilots we have the final say to our daily destinies, once you have said NO, the rest of the day is easier.
At the risk of being an old F#@t, worked for me in 5 different Countries/Companies, still works in the Simulator, you just have to do it.
DO OR NOT DO, THERE IS NO TRY.----- Yoda
C Ya
Greybeard
The paradyme shift from "Long Haul" to "Domestic" apart from the so called pay and conditions is a tin of worms in itself.
Having trained/assessed Senior F/Os from the long haul fleets where 10 sectors a month was the norm,to do 25/30 in a week caused some people to melt at the pace of it all.
Very different process, not to be taken lightly at all, physically, physiologically, socially etc.
I have mostly done "short", longest crew airborne was 8.30 Hobart-Singapore, no wish ever to do the longer, sleep broken, split duties at all. Those of my peers who do the 14/18 hour legs age far too quickly for my liking, so if they get the $, bloddy good luck to them.
So far this year as a pax, 20 sectors of 5/6 hours is plenty thank you, the simulator is a quiet have of electronic wizardry to weave the magic of endorsements and renewals to a wide variety of "victims" and a nice way to chuff off to the roses and slippers.
As to who gets what for doing the task of Aviation in this day and age, YOU/WE are all in the main YOUR/OUR own enemies, if you accept crap, there are always second helpings available from the Masters and Commanders, thats why so many did what they did in a previous life/situation on both "sides"
As pilots we have the final say to our daily destinies, once you have said NO, the rest of the day is easier.
At the risk of being an old F#@t, worked for me in 5 different Countries/Companies, still works in the Simulator, you just have to do it.
DO OR NOT DO, THERE IS NO TRY.----- Yoda
C Ya
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Manners? Really!
Schnausty
Just a quick reply to your post:
Talk to me about manners? I did read in your earlier spiel
"up your @rse Singapore" etc.
I think that says it all about manners and class.
I wouldn't bother trying to educate you on any economics anyway, probably all too hard for you.
Also re the quoted airfare, yes I did know it was US$.
Not sure about your maths ability but 680 $US still works out to be < $1,000 Aus at current exchange rates.
Try working it out.
Please try and stick to the debate on Qantas and its protected air routes rather than get personal, it only shows you have lost the plot.
Thanks.
Just a quick reply to your post:
Talk to me about manners? I did read in your earlier spiel
"up your @rse Singapore" etc.
I think that says it all about manners and class.
I wouldn't bother trying to educate you on any economics anyway, probably all too hard for you.
Also re the quoted airfare, yes I did know it was US$.
Not sure about your maths ability but 680 $US still works out to be < $1,000 Aus at current exchange rates.
Try working it out.
Please try and stick to the debate on Qantas and its protected air routes rather than get personal, it only shows you have lost the plot.
Thanks.
hadagutful
I will take you and Sunfish on any day regarding economic rational. I am more than qualified to debate you and your kind. I too had a life before I committed aviation.
I have no problem making QF or any carriers for that matter compete, as long as they are given equal opportunity to compete on the other carrier’s routes. To give you an idea what I am talking about, where I work, HK, the US is wanting unlimited Fifth Freedom rights to operate through here. In return, we want to be able to compete with US carriers on their routes. The US won’t allow this even though they are talking about Open Skies with HK. Open skies for whom? It certainly isn’t for HK as the same restrictions will exist for us as there is now. This type of BS goes on all around the world. The Indians play it, so do the Chinese. Infact I can’t think of a single country that doesn’t play it to some extent. It is played at a global level by every nation, some worse than others. If you can think of some way to fix that, then and only then will I listen to your argument about free trade and true open skies. As the world has not been able to solve it over the past 60 years, and you haven’t been able to offer a solution, all your economic theories are pointless.
I will take you and Sunfish on any day regarding economic rational. I am more than qualified to debate you and your kind. I too had a life before I committed aviation.
I have no problem making QF or any carriers for that matter compete, as long as they are given equal opportunity to compete on the other carrier’s routes. To give you an idea what I am talking about, where I work, HK, the US is wanting unlimited Fifth Freedom rights to operate through here. In return, we want to be able to compete with US carriers on their routes. The US won’t allow this even though they are talking about Open Skies with HK. Open skies for whom? It certainly isn’t for HK as the same restrictions will exist for us as there is now. This type of BS goes on all around the world. The Indians play it, so do the Chinese. Infact I can’t think of a single country that doesn’t play it to some extent. It is played at a global level by every nation, some worse than others. If you can think of some way to fix that, then and only then will I listen to your argument about free trade and true open skies. As the world has not been able to solve it over the past 60 years, and you haven’t been able to offer a solution, all your economic theories are pointless.
