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They believe their own propaganda!
The scene:Your's truly and co-captain, in full airline regailia, present to the security screening point at a centrally located regional aerodrome, remove a plethora of calculators, keys, phones, pens, glasses, laptops, wallets (bloody magnetic strips on cards 
), ASIC.... basically anything that might beep, to pass through the x-ray & metal detectors. Pass through said detectors and mutter to one another about the absurdity of all this while we replace the aforementioned plethora.
Two APS blokes then walk through screening, armed with deadly weapons which set the metal detector off yet not only are they not challenged, they have a friendly chat en-route.
Co-captain mentions, not quite under his breath, "great that they can walk through unchallenged and we have to go through this".
A security person hearing this volunteers the following gem. "oh but they're not getting on the aircraft" as an excuse as to why APS don't need to jump through the hoops that air crew do.
My measured response is "We're the only industry workers with a vested interest in the aircraft landing safely yet we're the only ones screened!"
Ms Security Screener then goes onto say, "we're just helping you get to your destination safely". To which I replied, "codswallop".
A different Ms Security Screener then tells me that they are keeping us safe by screening crew because two of the September 11 pilots were pilots!
I did point out that I don't need to smuggle weapons on board, if I want to kill people, I'll just do it.
FFFFAAAAAAAAAAARRRK, to quote Graham.
rant over
Now I'll try and do what a colleague suggets, and go to the beach
), ASIC.... basically anything that might beep, to pass through the x-ray & metal detectors. Pass through said detectors and mutter to one another about the absurdity of all this while we replace the aforementioned plethora.Two APS blokes then walk through screening, armed with deadly weapons which set the metal detector off yet not only are they not challenged, they have a friendly chat en-route.
Co-captain mentions, not quite under his breath, "great that they can walk through unchallenged and we have to go through this".
A security person hearing this volunteers the following gem. "oh but they're not getting on the aircraft" as an excuse as to why APS don't need to jump through the hoops that air crew do.
My measured response is "We're the only industry workers with a vested interest in the aircraft landing safely yet we're the only ones screened!"
Ms Security Screener then goes onto say, "we're just helping you get to your destination safely". To which I replied, "codswallop".
A different Ms Security Screener then tells me that they are keeping us safe by screening crew because two of the September 11 pilots were pilots!
I did point out that I don't need to smuggle weapons on board, if I want to kill people, I'll just do it.
FFFFAAAAAAAAAAARRRK, to quote Graham.
rant over
Now I'll try and do what a colleague suggets, and go to the beach
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Well I don't believe it's entirely their fault!
They are only enforcing the edicts which have been bestowed upon them from above. We as pilot's do this every single day, we often comply with procedures that have been provided from above, that may or may not increase safety.
Having said all that, I think we could improve safety and save the government hundreds of millions of dollars....SCRAP DOTARS!!
SCREENING OF PILOTS IS RIDICULOUS, as the good Captain said if we wanted to kill people we have plenty of opportunities everyday single bloody day.
Cheers, HH.
PS: It's almost become a sport now, seeing how much or little you can get through security with.....
They are only enforcing the edicts which have been bestowed upon them from above. We as pilot's do this every single day, we often comply with procedures that have been provided from above, that may or may not increase safety.
Having said all that, I think we could improve safety and save the government hundreds of millions of dollars....SCRAP DOTARS!!
SCREENING OF PILOTS IS RIDICULOUS, as the good Captain said if we wanted to kill people we have plenty of opportunities everyday single bloody day.
Cheers, HH.
PS: It's almost become a sport now, seeing how much or little you can get through security with.....
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It's true - they do believe their own BS.
After September the 11Th (NOT 911), our government began a war against our own people to gain control of our lives with relentless fervor. It was theirs to convince us that we need protection from ourselves, and so they did.
It's amazing how many people have relinquished their civil rights to protect themselves from an enemy that doesn’t actually exist.
The nanny state has taken over, and won. All because people are too laid back to question the authority that has been exerted on us since 11/9 that they tell us is for our own good.
It's time to get a bit critical about what THEY think is good for us, because if we don't then it will only get worse.
How can it get worse? - Picture this - In the not so distant future, the identity card/personal tracker that will be embedded under your shin will not be mandatory - just a requirement if you want to fly in an aeroplane, or drive a car, or use a credit card.
No such technology you say? - Hell my cat has one in his neck already!!
After September the 11Th (NOT 911), our government began a war against our own people to gain control of our lives with relentless fervor. It was theirs to convince us that we need protection from ourselves, and so they did.
It's amazing how many people have relinquished their civil rights to protect themselves from an enemy that doesn’t actually exist.
The nanny state has taken over, and won. All because people are too laid back to question the authority that has been exerted on us since 11/9 that they tell us is for our own good.
It's time to get a bit critical about what THEY think is good for us, because if we don't then it will only get worse.
How can it get worse? - Picture this - In the not so distant future, the identity card/personal tracker that will be embedded under your shin will not be mandatory - just a requirement if you want to fly in an aeroplane, or drive a car, or use a credit card.
No such technology you say? - Hell my cat has one in his neck already!!
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Yeah, a bit of a joke.
It seems that not only are the APS blokes wanting regional crew to submit to a security screening prior to your first flight of the day, but if you return from a non-secured airport then you should also be screened prior to operating any additional flights.
On some days that could be up to 3 security screenings per shift!!
From what I can gather, under ATSR 2005 flight crew can still access airside without being screened.....
Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005....
4.09 Circumstances in which persons may enter sterile area without being screened
(1) This regulation is made for subparagraph 44 (2) (d) (ii) of the Act.
(2) A person must be cleared before entering a sterile area unless:
(a) he or she has entered the sterile area from the airside after disembarking from a screened air service; or
(b) he or she is taken to be cleared under regulation 4.10 or 4.11.
4.11 Persons taken to be cleared to enter sterile area other than through a screening point
(1) For paragraph 41 (2) (c) of the Act, a person in a class mentioned in subregulation (2) may enter a sterile area other than through a screening point if he or she:
(a) is authorised to do so and properly displays a valid ASIC; or
(b) is authorised to do so, properly displays a valid VIC and is supervised by somebody who is taken to be cleared to enter the sterile area other than through a screening point and properly displays a valid ASIC.
(2) The classes of person are the following:
(a) aviation security inspectors;
(b) officers of the Australian Customs Service;
(c) screening officers;
(d) employees of the operator of the airport in which the sterile area is located;
(e) employees of the operator of a screened air service aircraft;
(f) contractors, and employees of contractors, to the operator of the airport in which the sterile area is located who is engaged in the loading of cargo, stores or checked baggage, or the boarding of passengers, onto a cleared aircraft that is operating a screened air service, or who is otherwise authorised for access to the aircraft;
(g) contractors, and employees of contractors, to the operator of a screened air service aircraft who is engaged in the loading of cargo, stores or checked baggage, or the boarding of passengers, onto a cleared aircraft that is operating a screened air service, or who is otherwise authorised for access to the aircraft.
Cheers,
Capt EFIS.
It seems that not only are the APS blokes wanting regional crew to submit to a security screening prior to your first flight of the day, but if you return from a non-secured airport then you should also be screened prior to operating any additional flights.
On some days that could be up to 3 security screenings per shift!!
From what I can gather, under ATSR 2005 flight crew can still access airside without being screened.....
Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005....
4.09 Circumstances in which persons may enter sterile area without being screened
(1) This regulation is made for subparagraph 44 (2) (d) (ii) of the Act.
(2) A person must be cleared before entering a sterile area unless:
(a) he or she has entered the sterile area from the airside after disembarking from a screened air service; or
(b) he or she is taken to be cleared under regulation 4.10 or 4.11.
4.11 Persons taken to be cleared to enter sterile area other than through a screening point
(1) For paragraph 41 (2) (c) of the Act, a person in a class mentioned in subregulation (2) may enter a sterile area other than through a screening point if he or she:
(a) is authorised to do so and properly displays a valid ASIC; or
(b) is authorised to do so, properly displays a valid VIC and is supervised by somebody who is taken to be cleared to enter the sterile area other than through a screening point and properly displays a valid ASIC.
(2) The classes of person are the following:
(a) aviation security inspectors;
(b) officers of the Australian Customs Service;
(c) screening officers;
(d) employees of the operator of the airport in which the sterile area is located;
(e) employees of the operator of a screened air service aircraft;
(f) contractors, and employees of contractors, to the operator of the airport in which the sterile area is located who is engaged in the loading of cargo, stores or checked baggage, or the boarding of passengers, onto a cleared aircraft that is operating a screened air service, or who is otherwise authorised for access to the aircraft;
(g) contractors, and employees of contractors, to the operator of a screened air service aircraft who is engaged in the loading of cargo, stores or checked baggage, or the boarding of passengers, onto a cleared aircraft that is operating a screened air service, or who is otherwise authorised for access to the aircraft.
Cheers,
Capt EFIS.
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Slightly off topic but on the same theme...why is it that Australians entering into the USA have to have their photo's and finger prints taken on entering the US? This is treating us as criminals and places our data on criminal databases for checking everytime there is a crime in the US. The Americans themselves would refuse to do this - it would be a clear violation of their civil liberties yet its OK for everyone else?
Furthermore, we helped in the war as did the Poms's. The Pom's are exempt, so why aren't we?
Furthermore, we helped in the war as did the Poms's. The Pom's are exempt, so why aren't we?
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They were not pilots. They were terrorists who had learned some basic flying skills. There is a world of difference. Every professional pilot should be offended by any suggestion that these ..... people..... were pilots.
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Here's one to mull over...several days ago while rumaging through my nav bag (in the cockpit) in the middle east I found a metal cutlery set knife. It had been there for weeks as I did remember a piece of cutlery sliding off my tray and not being able to find it after...in the end assuming it must have not actually fallen off my tray...it had.
So I have been through security screening twice in Sydney, twice in Dubai, actually 4 times minimum as they screen you with xray machines twice at Dubai-once before the checkin area and again at customs, and once in London just in the last few weeks.
Still compared to the fire axe, truncheon and fire extinguisher that live on the flight deck a metal dinner knife is hardly the weapon of choice
Not to mention the cockpit security door...if I really wanted to be a nasty pasty I could just wait 'till my mate goes to the crapper and deny him re-entry.
Its like pollitical correctness....security screening of aircrew has got way out of control
So I have been through security screening twice in Sydney, twice in Dubai, actually 4 times minimum as they screen you with xray machines twice at Dubai-once before the checkin area and again at customs, and once in London just in the last few weeks.
Still compared to the fire axe, truncheon and fire extinguisher that live on the flight deck a metal dinner knife is hardly the weapon of choice
Not to mention the cockpit security door...if I really wanted to be a nasty pasty I could just wait 'till my mate goes to the crapper and deny him re-entry.
Its like pollitical correctness....security screening of aircrew has got way out of control
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How often do you see other Security "Officers" walk thru screening and set the bloody machine off and they just keep on walking or their fellow "officers" have a laugh about it and wave them thru.
Who are these people ? I mean, they are now telling me that they want to see my deodorant can - to make sure it has a lid on it - If it does not, they take it away from me .... Are they Freight Forwarders as well ??
Also - how often to you go to different airports, and the metel detectors are so varied ... i mean, at one regional airport, they have the machine wound up so sensitive that even my RM boots set it off and you nearly have to walk thru in your jocks, however at a major airport, you can walk thru with your boots, watch and every attached - and no 'beeps'.... or even better, there are 2 or 3 detectors at the same airport.... you soon get to figure out which detector/s are wound up and the ones that are not...... there are certain ones that i walk thru as i dont want to set it off, as i know if i walk thru the other detectors... well ... "get your gear off ... and spread 'em !!!"
I mean, they even wanted to pull me up on thinking that my jepps had a 'conceiled' weapon in it ... geez - its the bloody metal tag that keeps the binders open ... nice one !! Apparently - this has happened quite a few times at same airport, same person... mmm
They are having their little ego boosts with their job!
Good on ya !!!
PS: Next time you put your bag thru screening, have a look at how many people dont know what they are looking at or even better, are not even looking at the screen as your bag passes thru.
R I G H T !!! 
Who are these people ? I mean, they are now telling me that they want to see my deodorant can - to make sure it has a lid on it - If it does not, they take it away from me .... Are they Freight Forwarders as well ??
Also - how often to you go to different airports, and the metel detectors are so varied ... i mean, at one regional airport, they have the machine wound up so sensitive that even my RM boots set it off and you nearly have to walk thru in your jocks, however at a major airport, you can walk thru with your boots, watch and every attached - and no 'beeps'.... or even better, there are 2 or 3 detectors at the same airport.... you soon get to figure out which detector/s are wound up and the ones that are not...... there are certain ones that i walk thru as i dont want to set it off, as i know if i walk thru the other detectors... well ... "get your gear off ... and spread 'em !!!"
I mean, they even wanted to pull me up on thinking that my jepps had a 'conceiled' weapon in it ... geez - its the bloody metal tag that keeps the binders open ... nice one !! Apparently - this has happened quite a few times at same airport, same person... mmm
They are having their little ego boosts with their job!
Good on ya !!!
PS: Next time you put your bag thru screening, have a look at how many people dont know what they are looking at or even better, are not even looking at the screen as your bag passes thru.
R I G H T !!!
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"get your gear off ... and spread 'em !!!"
Without so much as a "Can I buy you a drink Mr Peel"?
Thats outrageous!!
Cheers, HH.
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I've gone through screening at a major regional airport with a pistol. I dutifully put it in the basket, the screeners x-rayed it (I'm not sure what they thought was inside) and then handed it back to me to go on my way.
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Yeah, it's an absolute joke! One airport you need to take your shoes off, the next you can leave em on, but WAIT, they check your aerosol, and so on, while our baggage handlers, caterers etc walk in and out as they please.
Skipper and I went thru security a few days back and then the skipper was pulled aside for an explosives test. Whilst being tested he noted to the security chap we were running late for the next flight, so once he was done with the skipper you'll never guess what he did next.... he grabbed me for a test.
Delay due security crap!
Skipper and I went thru security a few days back and then the skipper was pulled aside for an explosives test. Whilst being tested he noted to the security chap we were running late for the next flight, so once he was done with the skipper you'll never guess what he did next.... he grabbed me for a test.
Delay due security crap!
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It can be even worse in the US. I was in Puerto Rico on a medivac flight and we went out to get a bite to eat. The TSA monkeys wouldnt let us back through security because we didnt have a passenger ticket. We explained that the reason we were wearing pilots uniforms was that we were not passengers, we were the crew of the jet they can see behind them. They didnt like our crew badge because it was not from one of the major carriers. Apparently anyone can buy a pilots uniform and make a crew pass on their computer.
Eventually the medical team arrived and were starting to load the patient. We had to call them and get them to come and vouch for us. What a clusterf**k.
Eventually the medical team arrived and were starting to load the patient. We had to call them and get them to come and vouch for us. What a clusterf**k.
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The APS rockapes and their bum buddies that man the screening machines are just wankers who have a little power and get off on applying it.
I had one moron ask to see our flightplan in the Brisbane International terminal last week after I had walked through the x-ray machine. Gotta watch out for that deadly staple hey?
APS are a bunch of plastic coppers who failed to make it in the real world, this is their chance to assert their ego.
Thats my rant.
I had one moron ask to see our flightplan in the Brisbane International terminal last week after I had walked through the x-ray machine. Gotta watch out for that deadly staple hey?
APS are a bunch of plastic coppers who failed to make it in the real world, this is their chance to assert their ego.
Thats my rant.
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Unless security measures are credible, they will never be taken seriously. Australia is an absolute joke. Look at that idiot Anderson - he has absolutely no idea. The shambles that is Sydney has demonstrated that. Smoke and mirrors security only - "screen the pilots, that'll show'em we're serious." And - when asked about the customs report, he blustered and says "oh, that's the way it was 18 months ago, much better now", then changes tune and says "oh, I took immediate action when advised about the report.... I FORWARDED IT TO THE PRIME MINISTER...." Right, that'll fix everything!
I'm quietly left wondering if in the back of Anderson's mind is a sneaky little bit of retribution towards pilots for being instrumental in getting Aust airspace safe again last year. I don't really think so - I just think he's incompetent.
The whole thing is a total farce.
I'm quietly left wondering if in the back of Anderson's mind is a sneaky little bit of retribution towards pilots for being instrumental in getting Aust airspace safe again last year. I don't really think so - I just think he's incompetent.
The whole thing is a total farce.
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they are now telling me that they want to see my deodorant can - to make sure it has a lid on it - If it does not, they take it away from me ....
I also object to being screened, prodded, poked and assumed to be a terrorist, just because I am a pilot.
AS was said before, the "persons" involved in the Sep 11th hi-Jackings were NOT pilots, they were PASSENGERS.
Let's face it... we don't NEED weapons to hijack our own aircraft, and it don't matter a rat's arse whether or not you have a security card, photo licence, or name printed on their undies... if the other guy WANTS to kill everybody onboard by crashing the plane... then NOTHING the fed Govt tried to implement will stop this.
Fortunately, I don't get paid enough to crash.