New boss for AirServices
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I have a good idea and it's not the AsA annual report.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...l&pagenumber=2
From the 2003/2004 report there are 999 ATCs and 1954 non ATCs. Sorry, a touch under 2 to 1. I find it most interesting that there are 324 senior managers and only 368 Clerical/ Admin types. Absolutely disgraceful. Hang your head in shame. What the f%%k do 324 odd seniors manage? Seriously?
http://www.airservices.gov.au/aboutu...rt03-04web.pdf
We did a carpark count on a Monday v a Weekend last month (not me but some other readers here) and the numbers were more like 3 to 1 cars difference.
Your figures are a little behind. There are actually less than 1000 ATCs these days. Airwars Data Systems Officers saw the death of IRDS/That green **** in ML and there woud be maybe 8 of them in Brisbane and I expect the same in ML.16, perhaps in total and they are now called Flight Data Corrections Officers.
I am getting a package shipped up from Melbourne. Do you think you could organise one of your couriers to do so? Or are they the World's Worst?
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From the 2003/2004 report there are 999 ATCs
Sorry Cynthia, I always knew you were nuts; why are you in QLD? I see your maths is 'still creational' like your staffing formulas we used in Melbourne in the late nineties.
Sh!t sandwhich for suppa and your worrying about what type of bread we can dress it in.
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Coordination not Correction
Airwars Data Systems Officers saw the death of IRDS/That green **** in ML and there woud be maybe 8 of them in Brisbane and I expect the same in ML.16, perhaps in total and they are now called Flight Data Corrections Officers
I take offence (bugger it I'll take the gate too) at your inaccuracies. There are 10 of us in Brisbane and only 12 in Melbourne, and we are Flight Data Coordination Officers.
Remind me to beat you severly around the kneecaps when next we meet.
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And just while we're correcting some assertions based on fantasy not fact.
Usually by direction from an outside expert like .....( not going to bring HIM up again) or by ministerial or Board direction.
The current contract for AsA staff travel is with Qantas and employees of AsA travelling under this contract DO NOT get frequent flyer points for travel. This has been the case since 2000.
Rant on Neddy. Same old red neck ranting by someone who has no f%%king idea, and likes the sound of his own voice (typing) and believes his own bullsh!t because it makes him feel better.
ATCs don't suddenly decide to not work on the console. What planet do you come from Neddy? No company or organisation works like that, only in the fantasy of some emotional bigot such as yourself. And the figures quoted from public documents by both tobzalp and SM4 Pirate indicate that your rantings are just....well, rantings.
Come back and talk to us Neddy when you have the real story.
Procedures are written and training forced upon the average ATC and pilot because they can.
through the constant competition to accumulate frequent flyer/credit points while they travel the length and breadth of the country attending meetings, workshops, conferences
ATCs who have suddenly decided they don’t want to work the console anymore back to doing what they were hired to do. There must be literally hundreds across the organisation on contract, pretending to be managers or assorted “specialists”
ATCs don't suddenly decide to not work on the console. What planet do you come from Neddy? No company or organisation works like that, only in the fantasy of some emotional bigot such as yourself. And the figures quoted from public documents by both tobzalp and SM4 Pirate indicate that your rantings are just....well, rantings.
Come back and talk to us Neddy when you have the real story.
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Ah, slightly soiled Pierre, you are right AA staff don’t get frequent flyer points for “flying”, just the ones accumulated from accommodation and assorted other travel related expenses. Then of course there is the Qantas club Memberships, Status credit points (which appears to be the latest p!ssing contest within this group) and the over indulgent use of company travel cards. But no, you are correct, no direct frequent flyer points from flying!
I am told (and have seen them at various forums where usually the AA staff outnumber the industry) there are indeed a multitude of ATCs who haven’t seen a console for some time who now occupy an ever increasing empire within AA. Some of these people carry out the necessary evil of operational support and industry consultation. Some of them do it very, very well! The rest are just creating unnecessary work for all within what I am told has become a boys club.
Most of the “new generation” hangar-ons were seconded for projects and simply got used to what has become the new corporate incentive - corporate (read industry paid for) travel and expenses.
I apologise if you are one of the many hard working ATCs or staff but there are many within who fit the description above! Only a review of resources, skills and expenses will tell.
I am told (and have seen them at various forums where usually the AA staff outnumber the industry) there are indeed a multitude of ATCs who haven’t seen a console for some time who now occupy an ever increasing empire within AA. Some of these people carry out the necessary evil of operational support and industry consultation. Some of them do it very, very well! The rest are just creating unnecessary work for all within what I am told has become a boys club.
Most of the “new generation” hangar-ons were seconded for projects and simply got used to what has become the new corporate incentive - corporate (read industry paid for) travel and expenses.
I apologise if you are one of the many hard working ATCs or staff but there are many within who fit the description above! Only a review of resources, skills and expenses will tell.
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Speaking of managers, there'd be the need for far fewer if ASA were not still battling Pol Pot and his NAS. While ASA managers are being run around in circles by the witchdoctors Smith 1 and Smith 2, some poor bastard in the corner is trying to bring in an entirely new safer and more efficent ATM system based on logic, modern science and the latest engineering with minimal policy support, help or resources. Find him and give him a medal...
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Dirty Pierre Versus Neddy
I sense some serious bad vibes here man.
While the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Don't know what it's like in Brissy but I see several people who seriously f!cked up, moved sideways into another role that didn't exist prior and on nice little earners indeed. Kind of reminds you of OPS eh??
Whilst I don't agree with privatisation it will bite those hardest on the arse that push it, because if there is a commercial focus applied, you know who will be the first to go? Middle Management.
I'll go off the console for 6 months to clean the f!ckers out myself, we all know who they are
I sense some serious bad vibes here man.
While the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Don't know what it's like in Brissy but I see several people who seriously f!cked up, moved sideways into another role that didn't exist prior and on nice little earners indeed. Kind of reminds you of OPS eh??
Whilst I don't agree with privatisation it will bite those hardest on the arse that push it, because if there is a commercial focus applied, you know who will be the first to go? Middle Management.
I'll go off the console for 6 months to clean the f!ckers out myself, we all know who they are
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En-Rooter,
No bad vibes here mate. I just hate supposition and argument like Neddy's which are not based on fact. I suppose that this is a "rumour" network, but wouldn't it be nice to have some substantiated fact based argument.
BTW, I have worked on a number of projects, and quite frankly I hate it when I have been seconded to them. At the moment I'm in ATCC (Air Traffic Control Capability)as a GTS (Group Training Specialist) {welcome to acronym city}, but back to the console from June 1 where I belong (thank god).
No bad vibes here mate. I just hate supposition and argument like Neddy's which are not based on fact. I suppose that this is a "rumour" network, but wouldn't it be nice to have some substantiated fact based argument.
BTW, I have worked on a number of projects, and quite frankly I hate it when I have been seconded to them. At the moment I'm in ATCC (Air Traffic Control Capability)as a GTS (Group Training Specialist) {welcome to acronym city}, but back to the console from June 1 where I belong (thank god).
