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B737 pilot: "Can they make this thing any easier to fly? YAWN. If you can't fly a 737 you are a RETARD!"
A320 pilot: " Retard? This damned Airbus keeps telling me I am a retard at 10 feet AGL! Why won't it let ME be pilot? I'll give YOU retard Scarebus!"
BAe146 pilot: "You want retard???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M FLYING ONE!"
Airbus gives you the side stick so you can PRETEND you are flying it. Takes away the stigma of accidentally being labelled a computer programmer, and not a pilot...
A320 pilot: " Retard? This damned Airbus keeps telling me I am a retard at 10 feet AGL! Why won't it let ME be pilot? I'll give YOU retard Scarebus!"
BAe146 pilot: "You want retard???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M FLYING ONE!"
Airbus gives you the side stick so you can PRETEND you are flying it. Takes away the stigma of accidentally being labelled a computer programmer, and not a pilot...
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Someone once told me:
Boeing aircraft: Built by geniuses to be flown by idiots
Airbus aircraft: Built by idiots to be flown by geniuses
British Aerospace aircraft: Built by the confused to be flown by the perplexed.
Boeing aircraft: Built by geniuses to be flown by idiots
Airbus aircraft: Built by idiots to be flown by geniuses
British Aerospace aircraft: Built by the confused to be flown by the perplexed.
F/O Bloggs: exactly
New Airbus Pilot "what's it doing now?"
Old Airbus Pilot "it's doing it again"
There are approx 40 different modes available on the 777 MCP
There are approx 90 different modes available on the Bus.
They crashed one A320 at Air Inter because the poor driver set 3.2 He was trying to get 3.2 deg FPA but the small print on the LCD display showed FPM. Now if Mr Airbus had just displayed it in '000 FPM ( 3,200 FPM ) like Boeing a lot of people would still be around today.
A small example of the way they design things in France, the Pilot is an afterthought and must adapt.
Training Capts on the Bus hate not knowing what the F/O is actually doing with the stick, until it's too late. And the throttle detents ....................ahhhhhhhhhhhhh They have caused a few accidental missed approaches too.
New Airbus Pilot "what's it doing now?"
Old Airbus Pilot "it's doing it again"
There are approx 40 different modes available on the 777 MCP
There are approx 90 different modes available on the Bus.
They crashed one A320 at Air Inter because the poor driver set 3.2 He was trying to get 3.2 deg FPA but the small print on the LCD display showed FPM. Now if Mr Airbus had just displayed it in '000 FPM ( 3,200 FPM ) like Boeing a lot of people would still be around today.
A small example of the way they design things in France, the Pilot is an afterthought and must adapt.
Training Capts on the Bus hate not knowing what the F/O is actually doing with the stick, until it's too late. And the throttle detents ....................ahhhhhhhhhhhhh They have caused a few accidental missed approaches too.
....er...yoohoo...the Airbus isn't French.
Also, anything descending at 3200fpm as at Habsheim is destined for problems!
It's just another aeroplane.
If you don't like the fancy stuff (which provides various degrees of protection to prevent buffoons from bingling) then turn it off. Then it's just like a Cessna if that's what you want.
Actually (unusually for Airbus) they then listened to crews after Habsheim and modified the display to differentiate between fpm and FPA.
Having used the stuff it's pretty damn good actually.
Boeing slagged off at FBW then incorporated it into the 777! Not only that they didn't get sidesticks and trays, the best bit of FBW.
Best thing with the 777 though, the throttles move!
Bring back Lockheed!
Also, anything descending at 3200fpm as at Habsheim is destined for problems!
It's just another aeroplane.
If you don't like the fancy stuff (which provides various degrees of protection to prevent buffoons from bingling) then turn it off. Then it's just like a Cessna if that's what you want.
Actually (unusually for Airbus) they then listened to crews after Habsheim and modified the display to differentiate between fpm and FPA.
Having used the stuff it's pretty damn good actually.
Boeing slagged off at FBW then incorporated it into the 777! Not only that they didn't get sidesticks and trays, the best bit of FBW.
Best thing with the 777 though, the throttles move!
Bring back Lockheed!
Al E Vator,
Incorrect reference old son. Habshiem was a poser who stuffed it up. The 3200fpm/3.2deg was an Air Inter aircraft doing an NPA.
The point remains though that Airbus should never have designed the FPM display as they did, and it killed many.
Bloggs,
From what I have seen so far of a certain "competing type" , the poms haven'tt done such a bad job with the Hushpuppy, considering it was designed 30 years ago, gassings and airframe-ant ice use (totally unwarranted, IMO) not withstanding...
Incorrect reference old son. Habshiem was a poser who stuffed it up. The 3200fpm/3.2deg was an Air Inter aircraft doing an NPA.
The point remains though that Airbus should never have designed the FPM display as they did, and it killed many.
Bloggs,
From what I have seen so far of a certain "competing type" , the poms haven'tt done such a bad job with the Hushpuppy, considering it was designed 30 years ago, gassings and airframe-ant ice use (totally unwarranted, IMO) not withstanding...
Bottums Up
For all the denigration of the Airbus product the only engineer I know who's worked on them (A320 ex AN) raves about them .... in a very positive light
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ACMS re AF773ER
Have you read this?
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...s/businessNews
Quite a stuff-up by either AF or ADP but it seems quite late in the day for this to "come up".
Have you read this?
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...s/businessNews
Quite a stuff-up by either AF or ADP but it seems quite late in the day for this to "come up".
The 777 shakes and rattles on the ground as if it were an old aztec with thinner skin. The BAC111 was built out of a solid
lump of aluminium,hence it gripped the ground for quite a while.
lump of aluminium,hence it gripped the ground for quite a while.
Capt Claret: I know a lot more engineers that have worked on both types and they nearly all ( 1 in Osaka prefers the bus because he has a lot more time with them ) prefer the Boeing product. When a 777 comes up with a Status Msg there is a 90% chance the defect is real. However on the Bus the chance of it being real is around 20%. The number of erroneous intermittant Msg's on the Bus is amazing. The A320 does seems to be the best out of a bad bunch however.
Frangatang: Well it's obvous you haven't been in an Airbus.
MarkD: I hadn't seen anything on that before, interesting that AF could miss that piece of vital data. That is not the 777's fault though. I think that the A340-500 and 600 would be in a similar postion with their ACN.
if it ain't Boeing.............
Frangatang: Well it's obvous you haven't been in an Airbus.
MarkD: I hadn't seen anything on that before, interesting that AF could miss that piece of vital data. That is not the 777's fault though. I think that the A340-500 and 600 would be in a similar postion with their ACN.
if it ain't Boeing.............
Nunc est bibendum
Very unconfirmed third or fourth hand rumour tonight from a mate's wife that reckons the A380 has been delayed by 'up to six months'. Not sure if that is generally or for QF. Don't know if it is Airbus related or QF related.
Basically, the 'six month' bizzo is all I have!
Basically, the 'six month' bizzo is all I have!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the A380 will be a disaster.
It has cracks in the tail already and it's too heavy.
Poor Qantas, they have bought a lemon
Just how many have actually been bought by airlines and not just leasing companies? not many.
if it ain't Boeing...........
It has cracks in the tail already and it's too heavy.
Poor Qantas, they have bought a lemon
Just how many have actually been bought by airlines and not just leasing companies? not many.
if it ain't Boeing...........
Nunc est bibendum
Hmmm. Source was better than I thought!
The Australian:
Full article available at:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5ETEXT,00.html
The Australian:
DELIVERY of Qantas's new flagship double-decker super-jumbo will be delayed by at least six months because of problems at European manufacturer Airbus, triggering penalty payments...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5ETEXT,00.html
