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Old 16th Apr 2005, 00:22
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Is that the Chris proud to work for a company that pays only 60K for 4th year midsize bizjet Captain, the company with a history of pay for your own training, the company that charged $325 US for pilot applicant processing.

And who thinks the reason Southwest Airlines requires B737 Type Rating for employment (but not for interview) is "to let squadron buddies and space shuttle pilots in".
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It could well be. So what? What's your point?
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Old 16th Apr 2005, 01:49
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Chris

Are you really that knowledgable these days on what the Aussie scene is doing? After all, you are in the Country of the Free (as long as you are not black or hispanic), The United States of Aggression these days!? - so would you really know?

I reckon it might work. All business class and therefore no restrictions on baggage. Therefore you may be able to carry abit of extra fuel for Mum and Dad on the days you need it, all with a higher yield. Don't think they will be running these $9 (+ taxes of course) flights cause the people that gearing towards want a decent service (bus. class the whole way through) and are not afraid to pay for it.

It will work as long as there is good management.

Great job - where do I sign?
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Old 16th Apr 2005, 02:21
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Wonder where they will get 74 pilots that have the abilities and experience they wanted for the 717 introduction?
Me too, JAL Express are currently looking for Captains (only) with MD type experience to operate out of Osaka, and paying approx. USD9.5k/month after tax, with accomodation provided.
The contracting company based in Dublin, Ireland is the recruiter.

But then again, maybe National Jet is willing to match - or better - these market conditions!
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Old 16th Apr 2005, 02:28
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Kransky: While some of what you have said may be logical and believable... I wouldn't jump to conclusions regarding OzJet boys and gals not having to pay for endorsements! This A/L has yet to announce a CP... lets not get ahead of ourselves.
 
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Kaptin,

Do you really think an airline in Japan and an airline in Australia are in the same labour market?
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Old 16th Apr 2005, 04:54
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While I am a little dubious as to how sucessfull Ozjet will ultimatelt be, I can only wish them goodluck and tailwinds all the way. Paul Stoddardt i someone who is havig a go and best of luck to him.

Even if its only ever 6 -10 aircraft, thats a bunch of jet slots that are being created which will ultimately allow everyone to move up a level or two It will also make things interesting in the marketplace, the punters will have a choice of what type of service they want.

I wish Ozjet and they guys and gals who go to work there every sucess.
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Old 16th Apr 2005, 05:25
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I'm a cynical bugger but I'm afraid that there are basically two types of business travellers in this country. The first all work for big top end of town corporations who are told who they will fly with by the so called " corporate travel dept" who in turn are given incentives for that business. The second lot are in it for "the points" so that they can use them to get mum and the kids os for that skiing holiday at Whistler.Now without getting into a slanging match about the pros and cons of the different carriers in Aus, I can't see why business would flock to a new carrier in older jets just because they have comfy seats
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Old 16th Apr 2005, 05:37
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It'll go broke. Forget it!
Chris, care to explain?

I proposed some figures for their operations in the "Ozjet Merged Thread" and nobody has been able to point to any real flaw in what I suggested there.

As a frequent traveller between our two most populous cities, along with another six million people a year, I would be really happy to see a business quality service at a price less than that charged by the national carrier. Which is, btw, $1,145, give or take a few cents, for the return trip. For a sector length under 400nm. Virgin does not offer a business service, they offer a no-frills service and sardine style accommodation on board.

There is room for the competition. 30 year old 732's or not, so long as I don't have to fly in a WheezeperJet I'll be giving them a go.

So, too, will most of the business people with whom I have discussed this.

So, Chris, if you really think they are going to go broke, can you give some soundly-based reason why you think that?

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Old 16th Apr 2005, 07:20
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TurbTool,

Have to agree with you GB is a good bloke. I've only known him for 8 months or so, but as an FOI he has been very helpful and really knows his stuff. If he is heading to Ozjet then they have chosen well.
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Old 16th Apr 2005, 08:01
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Hey VHCU,

Chris probably thinks that they'll go belly up because

So, too, will most of the business people with whom I have discussed this.
he thinks you and your mates do not represent the wider business community. Right or wrong, that's his opinion. Why are you and others picking on him for voicing an opinion without providing reams of reasons why he has that opinion?
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What is this? I hate Chris week or something? Get off his back. All he does is express an opinion and if you numbnuts don't like it you get all vicious. Why can't you just start off with something like, "I appreciate your opinion Chris, however I disagree with you because blah blah blah..."?
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Old 16th Apr 2005, 08:32
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Well, I've got two things to say about this thread!

Firstly, don't take too much notice of what Chris ever say's, as I don't, and never have. He's a junior GA driver flying a regional jet in the States and while that in itself is quite meritous, he doesn't know much about heavy jet stuff in an airline environment!

Secondly, if what F111 says above is true, that a CASA FOI is the Chief Pilot of OzJet, then what Chris say's, on this occasion, is probably true also!!!

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he thinks you and your mates do not represent the wider business community
Capn, I wasn't aware Chris had surveyed me, my colleagues, or anyone else for that matter.

I was really asking for his reasons because I had defended Ozjet's potential viability from a pricing/load factor viewpoint in another thread. So if there was something substantially wrong with the figures I proffered in that thread, I'd appreciate the feedback. That's all. I have the highest regard for Chris, I think what he drives and what he gets paid is nobody's business but his own, and I bow to his superior knowledge of flying.

However, I have no feel for his commercial acumen and business credentials, so the question was plumbing those dark depths.

I'm sorry if you took offence, Capn Bloggs, none was meant.

What is this? I hate Chris week or something?
And if my question offended Capt. Higgins, then I apologise unreservedly to him too.

I might make light of certain situations here. But if you have ever read any of my posts, I think you'd be pressed to find one that made a personal remark of any kind about a fellow flyer or ppruner.

Back to the point; I merely asked Chris to explain his comment, because I feel confident there is a market opportunity which VB should be trying to take advantage of, and if they do not, they are leaving the door wide open for Ozjet to come in and take over that small but potentially profitable niche.

I haven't read anywhere where it says QF is the only airline allowed to provide business class service around here.

If I missed anyone else who in my apology speech, then "tut mir Leid"...

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Old 16th Apr 2005, 22:02
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Do you really think an airline in Japan and an airline in Australia are in the same labour market?
You'd have to ask the pilots who hold the qualifications that one, wouldn't you? After all, it will be their decision which job they'll choose.

Does garlic grown in China affect the market price of garlic sold in Australia?
Does wasabe grown in New Zealand end up in the sushi restaurants of Japan?
(The answer to both the above is "Yes").
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Old 17th Apr 2005, 03:34
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Shock horror!!!!!! are we actually going to have a third airline?????
The two airline system is still alive and well in Australia. We have always had two, and in effect still do. We have a government one (It may be disguised and fragmented) and one other, which is allowed to exist if it "behaves itself", and does not try to really compete. (as Ansett did) I wonder what will happen this time.
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Old 17th Apr 2005, 04:14
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Firstly, don't take too much notice of what Chris ever say's, as I don't, and never have. He's a junior GA driver flying a regional jet in the States
Who the bloody hell are you (apart from being an aparant jerkoff) to say such a thing?

What are your qualifications?

What is it that is so incredibly meritorious about your opinion and standing in the community?

Why don't you let us all know what you do, and why we should give a FAT RATS CLACKER about your opinoins?

You mate, are an absolute tooser!!!!!!!
 
Old 17th Apr 2005, 05:39
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Stoddart claims that he doesn't expect to EVER achieve more than a single digit market share... so that is definately possible. Plus we all need to remember that these aircraft are (I believe) for the most part fully paid for and owned by Stoddard or his companies. So they may be old, but at least OzJet won't have to worry about leasing costs. There is no way that they can compete head to head with the big boys, especially QF, but perhaps they can create their own niche market. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
 
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OZJET PAY

I don't know who put it up or where they got their info from but-

at work this morning, note on board said-

OZJET PAY- CAPN - $135 000
F/O - $85 000
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Old 17th Apr 2005, 06:10
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$135k??!! Right, I'm off! Gas Chambers here we come!

Bloggs, c'mon!

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