The DVD/ Movie the Public needs to see!
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The DVD/ Movie the Public needs to see!
just stumbled across this site, http://www.onesixright.com/
This sounds like a Movie/ doco/dvd that the public needs to see to understand just how Important Aviation is to the Local and federal economy! looks brilliantly made.
could you image such a GA airfield like this ANYWHERE in OZ, develppment right up to the Boundry fence!
the Trailer is worth the download, about 8mb. some brilliant photos as well.
If you register your interest there is a fantastic video of the air to air footage and some great film of a DC-3 on finals all the way to rollout, filmed from another aircraft in formation directly behind!! great stuff.
this leads me to a question, in the vid mentioned, the DC3 does near flawless wheeler, but immediatly retracts the flap on touchdown? with the tail still well high! is this common when flying tailwheel? also amazing watching the rudder work right up till the tailwheel hits the deck!.........
(i am in no way associted with the website or product.)
This sounds like a Movie/ doco/dvd that the public needs to see to understand just how Important Aviation is to the Local and federal economy! looks brilliantly made.
could you image such a GA airfield like this ANYWHERE in OZ, develppment right up to the Boundry fence!
the Trailer is worth the download, about 8mb. some brilliant photos as well.
If you register your interest there is a fantastic video of the air to air footage and some great film of a DC-3 on finals all the way to rollout, filmed from another aircraft in formation directly behind!! great stuff.
this leads me to a question, in the vid mentioned, the DC3 does near flawless wheeler, but immediatly retracts the flap on touchdown? with the tail still well high! is this common when flying tailwheel? also amazing watching the rudder work right up till the tailwheel hits the deck!.........
(i am in no way associted with the website or product.)
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Two methods of landing the DC3. The easiest is a tail-high wheeler where flaps are retracted after touch down to place the weight on the wheels for more efficient braking and to minimise the effect of any crosswind. The second method which required real finesse was the threepoint landing with all three wheels touching the ground at the same time.
If the hold off was prolonged and slightly too high the tailwheel might touch down first and a very nasty swing could occur unless you were real quick to stop it. The three-pointer was not for the novice, but if perfectly executed was a joy to behold. But never in a crosswind.
Again, it was best to retract the flaps on touchdown to mnimise any crosswind effect and get the tail wheel lock to take effect which helped keep the aircraft running straight.
If the hold off was prolonged and slightly too high the tailwheel might touch down first and a very nasty swing could occur unless you were real quick to stop it. The three-pointer was not for the novice, but if perfectly executed was a joy to behold. But never in a crosswind.
Again, it was best to retract the flaps on touchdown to mnimise any crosswind effect and get the tail wheel lock to take effect which helped keep the aircraft running straight.
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I had 4000 Hours on the DC-3/ Bristol 170 with ANA/Ansett and most of the landings were wheelers, Just an occaisional 3 pointer on a nice calm day.
I believe the TAA pilots many of whom were ex RAAF used the 3 pointer more often.
I had 4000 Hours on the DC-3/ Bristol 170 with ANA/Ansett and most of the landings were wheelers, Just an occaisional 3 pointer on a nice calm day.
I believe the TAA pilots many of whom were ex RAAF used the 3 pointer more often.
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Glastar,
Wow 4000 hrs in a Dc3 now thats "Fate is the Hunter stuff"
Mind a question or two ?
Would you try and place both wheels on at the same time, or depending on the X-wind , lower first and then upper , and would you let the upper come down on its own or bring it down ?
Any "rigidity" from the props after touch down ?
Am I correct in assuming that the 3-pointers were avoided because drift was difficult to manage with the forward view ?
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<edit> Ultralights, Great Find buddy, just watched the vid.
Wow 4000 hrs in a Dc3 now thats "Fate is the Hunter stuff"
Mind a question or two ?
Would you try and place both wheels on at the same time, or depending on the X-wind , lower first and then upper , and would you let the upper come down on its own or bring it down ?
Any "rigidity" from the props after touch down ?
Am I correct in assuming that the 3-pointers were avoided because drift was difficult to manage with the forward view ?
cheers
7gcbc
<edit> Ultralights, Great Find buddy, just watched the vid.
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Wow 4000K in a Dc3 now thats "Fate is the Hunter stuff"
"How many hours you got in that?"
"3000 hours" was the answer
"That's not a lot of time in DC-3s for someone of your age"
"No - 3000 hours in THAT DC-3, 2000 hours in the one next to it..."
(figures are wrong - its been a while since I read it but you get the picture
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if retracting the flaps on the DC is common practice, is it common practice on other tail draggers? im refering to large tail draggers such as Bombers, lancasters, B17's etc. or is it common to all draggers?
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finally managed to track down the direct link to the aerials video, fantastic air to air footage, including an immaculate P51, a Pitts, and the above mentioned DC3 flight , short final and touchdown, great choice of music as well,
hi definition, 15MB!
Aerials video 15Mb
hi definition, 15MB!
Aerials video 15Mb
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(i am in no way associted with the website or product.)
the Trailer is worth the download, about 8mb. some brilliant photos as well.
If you register your interest there is a fantastic video of the air to air footage and some great film of a DC-3 on finals all the way to rollout, filmed from another aircraft in formation directly behind!! great stuff.
If you register your interest there is a fantastic video of the air to air footage and some great film of a DC-3 on finals all the way to rollout, filmed from another aircraft in formation directly behind!! great stuff.
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obiwan I believe the figure was more like "10000hrs in that particular DC3". Just re read both Air America and The Ravens after finding copies in a Bangkok book store...might've even been 15000hrs...can't quite find the exact page.
As a counterpoint I have 10.7 hrs in the venerable Dak...all RHS
As a counterpoint I have 10.7 hrs in the venerable Dak...all RHS
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After my first landing of the DAK, with a full load of pax last weekend, I know what NOT to do.... and with no cockpit door I couldn't blame the Skipper... Oh well, see how we go this weekend... remember flare, then idle... not the other way! 
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Thanks for that. I borrowed the book 15 years ago from a work colleague. Must really get my own copy one day....
0.5 in a DC-3 from row 3 (Dakota Airways joyflight)
Although my son can also quite proudly say his first flight was in a DC-3. Nothing really compares after that.
Thanks for that. I borrowed the book 15 years ago from a work colleague. Must really get my own copy one day....
0.5 in a DC-3 from row 3 (Dakota Airways joyflight)
Although my son can also quite proudly say his first flight was in a DC-3. Nothing really compares after that.
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Point0Five, if i had anything to do with the site or dvd, would i go to the trouble of finding, then removing the embedded movie file then uploading the ripped file, so others can see it without having to reserve a copy for purchase later??
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Remembered a story my Dad told of his time as a Dak Captain in the RAAF...about 59/60. Was going for a nice 3 pointer at a grass airstrip in PNG...when the arse fell out of his world he realised they hadn't cut the grass for quite some considerable time and he'd full stalled it in from about three feet
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Top video. Looked almost fake it was so good. Loved the twinkling sun on that two-engined boat with the Mustang in formation. That looked very much like Reg waving from the Thumper...
Top video. Looked almost fake it was so good. Loved the twinkling sun on that two-engined boat with the Mustang in formation. That looked very much like Reg waving from the Thumper...
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The two engined boat is an A36...the fella waving from the Dak is the same guy saying in the trailer how he can remember the one day of his life that wasn't spent in aviation pursuits...Clay Lacy...in excess of 40000 hrs I believe logged in the left seat of about every aeroplane you can name...from pre WW2 biplanes (when they were new) to 747s....and EVERYTHING in between...one of the original Lear pilots/salesmen when he was also an active airline, airshow, movie etc pilot. The Dak he's flying is actually an original DC-3 that he ownes and has the most amazing corporate interior. He's set world records in Gulfstream jets...the man's resume just goes on forever....deserves a doco all to himself.
I wonder what the camera aeroplane was...Lacy used to have, and may still do, a Lear equiped with all sorts of cameras... virtually all that air to air footage you see of airliners and other high performance jets is/was filmed from his aircraft over the last 20 odd years.
I wonder what the camera aeroplane was...Lacy used to have, and may still do, a Lear equiped with all sorts of cameras... virtually all that air to air footage you see of airliners and other high performance jets is/was filmed from his aircraft over the last 20 odd years.
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3 pointers are the most common technique for TAA Sinbird Service pilots it seems anyway; or at least they BOAST about it the most! 
"Wheelers are for sissies"
Old man flew the DC-3 in PNG. TONNES of stories, most covered in the "Low Act thread" elsewhere. Most lively stories always seem to involve Larry Blackman....
Anyway, three pointers versus whellers. Depends on the aircraft, the conditions, and the length of rwy! A three pointer will stop you faster than a wheeler, hence the TAA Sunbird guys using the 3 point technique - some short-arse strips in that part of the world!
My tailwheel experience is limited to a couple hundred hours on Tiger Moths, and I routinely 3 pointed them. Best X-wind technique in the Tiger was an ALMOST 3 pointer - a cross between a wheeler and a 3 pointer - tail LOW. I am still not sure why some pilots seem to have trouble in crosswinds with the Tiger - I find it a SIMPLE aeroplane in a crosswind - LOADS of rudder control, and easily co-ordinated in a crab with reversal on touchdown.
Flying it in a STRONG headwind is another story. Never have I been in a helicopter (and nor do I intend to!), but flying the Tiger on finals in a STRONG headwind is close enough to hovering!
I unfortunately have only been for one flight in a 3, and that was with the destinct honour of having jack Curtiss as PIC, on good old SBO (a former TAA Sunbird Services gal). Had a great talk to that fine old gentleman afterwards.
Who would be the highest time DC-3 pilot in the world now since Larry Blackman's passing? I guess old Jack would be pretty high up now???
"Wheelers are for sissies" Old man flew the DC-3 in PNG. TONNES of stories, most covered in the "Low Act thread" elsewhere. Most lively stories always seem to involve Larry Blackman....
Anyway, three pointers versus whellers. Depends on the aircraft, the conditions, and the length of rwy! A three pointer will stop you faster than a wheeler, hence the TAA Sunbird guys using the 3 point technique - some short-arse strips in that part of the world!
My tailwheel experience is limited to a couple hundred hours on Tiger Moths, and I routinely 3 pointed them. Best X-wind technique in the Tiger was an ALMOST 3 pointer - a cross between a wheeler and a 3 pointer - tail LOW. I am still not sure why some pilots seem to have trouble in crosswinds with the Tiger - I find it a SIMPLE aeroplane in a crosswind - LOADS of rudder control, and easily co-ordinated in a crab with reversal on touchdown.
Flying it in a STRONG headwind is another story. Never have I been in a helicopter (and nor do I intend to!), but flying the Tiger on finals in a STRONG headwind is close enough to hovering!
I unfortunately have only been for one flight in a 3, and that was with the destinct honour of having jack Curtiss as PIC, on good old SBO (a former TAA Sunbird Services gal). Had a great talk to that fine old gentleman afterwards.
Who would be the highest time DC-3 pilot in the world now since Larry Blackman's passing? I guess old Jack would be pretty high up now???
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I have only flown as PAX in a 3 to mudgee and to the richmond air show in 88! Jack Curtis was PIC. he was instrumental in my flying career, pointing me in the direction of Brain of Sydney Airways way back then, he is a good friends of my fathers, who worked with his wife!
my question is still not answered yet, Is the retraction of flap on touchdown a common technique in most/ all talidraggers?
my question is still not answered yet, Is the retraction of flap on touchdown a common technique in most/ all talidraggers?