777 for Qantas
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
777 for Qantas
It was announced last week that Qantas are to buy the 777. Thats all the info that was given.
Does anyone know what type of 777 we are getting?
LHR - SYD direct anyone?
Does anyone know what type of 777 we are getting?
LHR - SYD direct anyone?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
At the employee conference in Singapore on Tuesday.
They said yes we are getting the 777 but didn't have any further information re: model etc.
Thought maybe someone might have more info.
They said yes we are getting the 777 but didn't have any further information re: model etc.
Thought maybe someone might have more info.
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 590
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A333.
What it basically means is that longer term QF long haul will operate just 3 types:
B773
B744
A380
Even longer term the B744 will be replaced completely by the B777 or even 787.
CX worked out if they were to do the same they'd save hundreds of millions in maintenance alone.
Even SQ will only operate B777 and A380's in a few years time and are apparently keen to ditch their A340's.
What it basically means is that longer term QF long haul will operate just 3 types:
B773
B744
A380
Even longer term the B744 will be replaced completely by the B777 or even 787.
CX worked out if they were to do the same they'd save hundreds of millions in maintenance alone.
Even SQ will only operate B777 and A380's in a few years time and are apparently keen to ditch their A340's.
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Sydney
Posts: 270
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Rumour has it that 777s are available for almost immediate delivery due to a cancelled order however sourcing "skybeds" at short notice is rather more difficult hence the delayed delivery???
Stick skybeds on a 772 and you have sodall total seats on the aircraft.Lovely plane to fly and fuel burn was excellent. Just make sure the bunks are in the right place and not forgotten aka BA.
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Posts: 1,879
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Jettlager,
Did you hear who cancelled the 777 order? From what I heard, the 777 line is kept pretty busy. I did hear that DL had deferred its 772ERs, but that's about it (and I guess those production slots would have been snapped up pretty quickly.)
Did you hear who cancelled the 777 order? From what I heard, the 777 line is kept pretty busy. I did hear that DL had deferred its 772ERs, but that's about it (and I guess those production slots would have been snapped up pretty quickly.)
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Sector C
Posts: 78
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Both the 743/744 has a limited life left in pax role. 773 will do most of the 744 role.
Nothing to suggest any airbus is going, need something between the single isle and the 773 for domesic and international, 767 is too expensive. B787/A350 too far away.
Nothing to suggest any airbus is going, need something between the single isle and the 773 for domesic and international, 767 is too expensive. B787/A350 too far away.
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Stuck in the middle...
Posts: 1,638
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
777s would have a nice fit. The original-order 744 airframes are now getting on for 16 or 17 years old, but the 744ERs are less than two years old...
So, the heavy trunk routes (eg. LHR, LAX) - A380; longer-than-ETOPS routes (JNB, EZE), 'medium' long-haul (eg. JFK) and some heavy regionals (eg. NRT) - 744ER; slightly thinner long-haul (eg. non-LHR HKG, BKK, SIN; BOM; maybe DXB - various 777s (plus the odd LHR direct, subject to slots). Thing about the 777 family is that you could have different versions to do anything from heavy regionals to the ORD or DFW or LHR directs.
Normally, airlines like to reduce the airframe/engine combinations so as to reduce costs (as TG and MH found out a few years ago). However, QF could happily keep 744ERs going for a while yet, as the 747 maintenance infrastructure has been going for long enough as to be fully depreciated and ongoing marginal costs wouldn't be that great. Much of the software and systems would be similar to 777 and in any case, 777 maint could be shared with AirNZ and noises have already been made about sharing A380 maint with our northern friends. CF6 maint won't be an incremental cost as will still be done for 763s and A330s.
In short, 777s for QF would appear to make busness sense - a large part of the L/H fleet needs to be replaced in coming years and US majors have been deferring; the latest example being UA cancelling a 777 delivery slot last week but there are the AA rumours as well.
Similar arguments could be made in favour of getting A340s but the region seems to be going for 777s instead (making maint pooling a real possibility) and if quick 777 delivery slots are becoming available, then it's likely that QF could negotiate very favourable terms - especially if Boeing want to sweeten the deal with a couple of cheap launch-priced 787s.
Bring it on.
So, the heavy trunk routes (eg. LHR, LAX) - A380; longer-than-ETOPS routes (JNB, EZE), 'medium' long-haul (eg. JFK) and some heavy regionals (eg. NRT) - 744ER; slightly thinner long-haul (eg. non-LHR HKG, BKK, SIN; BOM; maybe DXB - various 777s (plus the odd LHR direct, subject to slots). Thing about the 777 family is that you could have different versions to do anything from heavy regionals to the ORD or DFW or LHR directs.
Normally, airlines like to reduce the airframe/engine combinations so as to reduce costs (as TG and MH found out a few years ago). However, QF could happily keep 744ERs going for a while yet, as the 747 maintenance infrastructure has been going for long enough as to be fully depreciated and ongoing marginal costs wouldn't be that great. Much of the software and systems would be similar to 777 and in any case, 777 maint could be shared with AirNZ and noises have already been made about sharing A380 maint with our northern friends. CF6 maint won't be an incremental cost as will still be done for 763s and A330s.
In short, 777s for QF would appear to make busness sense - a large part of the L/H fleet needs to be replaced in coming years and US majors have been deferring; the latest example being UA cancelling a 777 delivery slot last week but there are the AA rumours as well.
Similar arguments could be made in favour of getting A340s but the region seems to be going for 777s instead (making maint pooling a real possibility) and if quick 777 delivery slots are becoming available, then it's likely that QF could negotiate very favourable terms - especially if Boeing want to sweeten the deal with a couple of cheap launch-priced 787s.
Bring it on.
The 777 could go further than the 400 on a full tank of gas.
The trent Ba machines burnt around 7 tonnes/hr and had a capacity of 135 T. Take your balaclava helmet with you if you go to ORD in winter,its effing cold.
The trent Ba machines burnt around 7 tonnes/hr and had a capacity of 135 T. Take your balaclava helmet with you if you go to ORD in winter,its effing cold.
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Sydney
Posts: 731
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Rumour now is that the A340 is back in favour.......
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Australia
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Whilst the 773ER is a technically superior aircraft to the 346, I wouldn't rule out the 346/346HGW at QF. They may still be able to piggy-back on the A330 discount structure and I believe 330 options can be converted to other Airbus WB types.
The 773ER has problems on certain routes, particularly SYD-JNB, due to ETOPS restrictions and hot-n-high conditions at JNB.
That being said, I still believe the 773ER to be the favourite and it's overall operating economics are a huge plus,as it it's cabin width,which is better able to accommodate the Skybed.
I still believe the plane QF may really go for in big numbers is the 787. The -3 version is optimised for domestic duties and the -8 can fly 250+ pax(in QF's 2-class format) over 8,500nm. The slightly larger -9 gets QF an almost A333/772 capacity aircraft with a range of 8300nm.
We wait and wait and wait........................................................
The 773ER has problems on certain routes, particularly SYD-JNB, due to ETOPS restrictions and hot-n-high conditions at JNB.
That being said, I still believe the 773ER to be the favourite and it's overall operating economics are a huge plus,as it it's cabin width,which is better able to accommodate the Skybed.
I still believe the plane QF may really go for in big numbers is the 787. The -3 version is optimised for domestic duties and the -8 can fly 250+ pax(in QF's 2-class format) over 8,500nm. The slightly larger -9 gets QF an almost A333/772 capacity aircraft with a range of 8300nm.
We wait and wait and wait........................................................