lame moral at qantas
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lame morale at qantas
Well i've been with QF now 5 yrs as a LAME and i'm not to impressed,Dixon rattles of about tightening our belts,wage freezes,redundency, out sourcing(constant threat to engineers in Sydney),blah,blah,blah.while giving himself and the board a new pay rise of 66% so as to attract the right type of person to the board ie;james packer aka i blow $500m on a sh*tty tele co.While all the while i've been on 50k per yr certifying 747's and getting a whopping 6% total over the last 4 yrs.It's now coming to a point that QF engineers are getting similar pay to semi skilled workers in Sydney(fast approahing with the current trend of pay inreases),and now we are hearing that Oldmeadow has put 0% on the table for the next 3 yrs,with a o/t bank,transmission of business,part timer numbers increased,no loading while on training,and it goes on and on.Moral is nearly at it's lowest point from when i arrived and the nexted stage is people begining to leave.I have began to look at other opportunities as have many of my peers
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The sad thing is that Dicko listens to the individual squeaky hinges.
Make enough noise and you may find yourself promoted or visiting an overseas contractor for a 3 week jolly with your family. Keep your mouth shut and be worked over with the best of them!
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Make enough noise and you may find yourself promoted or visiting an overseas contractor for a 3 week jolly with your family. Keep your mouth shut and be worked over with the best of them!
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Its getting pretty bad!!
The people who care and have a go are slowly being worn down by beauracracy and management ineptitude.
If we get stitched up for another 3% and agree to any Qantas log of claims, I'll be there in spirit only.
The people who care and have a go are slowly being worn down by beauracracy and management ineptitude.
If we get stitched up for another 3% and agree to any Qantas log of claims, I'll be there in spirit only.
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Matca actually raises quite a valid point, it sounds like Qantas is completely disrepecting your worth and skills. For example, a first year Aircraft Technician Corporal in the RAAF (who almost definitely isn't qualified as a LAME) earns more than 50k a year; and that doesn't include housing subsidies, medical or superannuation. Sounds like, as PAF would advocate, it's time to find a better job and employer.
No need for a union, vote with your feet and go somewhere that you are appreciated.
No need for a union, vote with your feet and go somewhere that you are appreciated.
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sys4, I started my career in aviation with Qantas as a LAME and the most important book for me apart from the maintenance manual, was an English dictionary; English not being my mother tounge. It distresses me to see posts from LAMEs (not just you) with such poor skills in spelling, syntax and punctuation. It does put us in a bad light.
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Its about time you whingers started to get a grip on reality. Most lames get over 100k per anum well above most workers. We compete in a global market and if we getting overpaid then there needs to be some sort of adjustment in the form of wage restrictons or new workpractices. We may be able to get a 3% wage rise if we just change the way we work by allowing flexible rostering or overtime banking and stop demanding shift pens when we get trained. After all you get a payrise when you finish a course so I dont see what the problem is. Over all you may see a few of the vocal minority expesing there opinion on here but thats just a minority. Most staff are happy to be in a job in these troubled times and Qf have ofered long term employment for many years to thousands of Aussies.
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Mr Hotdog,
I agree with your comments entirely. I have some first hand experience with apprentices and their literacy skills in most cases are atrocious!!
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GA apprentices seem to be the worst because they do not have to undergo the extensive interview processes that the airlines and the aerospace industry (BAE, etc) maintain. I'm hoping that "Aviation English" will soon be part of the National Aeroskills Curriculum and we can fix the problem before they start signing off maintenance releases.
While I will never admit to being an English Proffessor, I too feel embarrassed when I see such poor spelling from Engineers on these threads and on maintenance documentation. Come on guys, lift your game and let these fly boys have some confidence and respect for our profession.
I agree with your comments entirely. I have some first hand experience with apprentices and their literacy skills in most cases are atrocious!!
. GA apprentices seem to be the worst because they do not have to undergo the extensive interview processes that the airlines and the aerospace industry (BAE, etc) maintain. I'm hoping that "Aviation English" will soon be part of the National Aeroskills Curriculum and we can fix the problem before they start signing off maintenance releases.
While I will never admit to being an English Proffessor, I too feel embarrassed when I see such poor spelling from Engineers on these threads and on maintenance documentation. Come on guys, lift your game and let these fly boys have some confidence and respect for our profession.
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I wasn't trying to be high and mighty, I was just stating some facts, firstly that I wasn't an English Professor (thank you for the correction, I told you so)
and secondly that the newest members to our ranks need some assistance to improve their english.
I wasn't trying to be high and mighty, I was just stating some facts, firstly that I wasn't an English Professor (thank you for the correction, I told you so)
and secondly that the newest members to our ranks need some assistance to improve their english.
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I know there must be an Macquarie Dictionary forum for all you anal retentive spellers that post on pprune. Can't you post your spelling bee corrections there??
However this thread is about LAME morale. Mr Qantas I know you are one of my supervisers but I don't know which one. He is not an executive, just a middle ranking superviser who does very little other than order people about and really wouldn't have a clue about the morale on the shop floor.
Mr Qantas most LAMES don't earn over $100K. I'm sure though that the ones you talk to do. We do earn more than most workers but not much more than your average plumber. Im sure a plumber who worked 24/7 would get something akin to our wage.
I might have to jump on the forklift to retrieve my parts, into the tug to tow the aircraft to/from the terminal, drive the cherry picker for a rudder insp or the crane for an engine change.
That's when I'm not certifing for the fix on your hyd/pneumatic/air cond system, crawling in the bilge of the cargo amongst all sorts of accumulated gunge or troubleshooting the fluctuating parameters of your engine . I might be certifying for an aileron rig duplicate insp or changing a cockpit window amongst many other things. I regularly supervise and certify for up to 8 people doing the same things.
I have worked 13 of the last 20 Christmases and I did not earn over $100k last financial year.
The 3 % is an insult to my ability.Bring on the redundancies so fair dinkum people can get some reward for their hard work or a bit of dead wood can be trimmed. With a bit of luck Mr Qantas might go as well!!
However this thread is about LAME morale. Mr Qantas I know you are one of my supervisers but I don't know which one. He is not an executive, just a middle ranking superviser who does very little other than order people about and really wouldn't have a clue about the morale on the shop floor.
Mr Qantas most LAMES don't earn over $100K. I'm sure though that the ones you talk to do. We do earn more than most workers but not much more than your average plumber. Im sure a plumber who worked 24/7 would get something akin to our wage.
I might have to jump on the forklift to retrieve my parts, into the tug to tow the aircraft to/from the terminal, drive the cherry picker for a rudder insp or the crane for an engine change.
That's when I'm not certifing for the fix on your hyd/pneumatic/air cond system, crawling in the bilge of the cargo amongst all sorts of accumulated gunge or troubleshooting the fluctuating parameters of your engine . I might be certifying for an aileron rig duplicate insp or changing a cockpit window amongst many other things. I regularly supervise and certify for up to 8 people doing the same things.
I have worked 13 of the last 20 Christmases and I did not earn over $100k last financial year.
The 3 % is an insult to my ability.Bring on the redundancies so fair dinkum people can get some reward for their hard work or a bit of dead wood can be trimmed. With a bit of luck Mr Qantas might go as well!!
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And so it seems we've all had our little whinge, and the unofficial O/T bans have gone by the wayside. Three misguided domestic ports are continuing the fight, the rest have seen the truth of the situation, and are reaping the benefits of bans in other ports ( a friend did 46 hours hours O/T last pay!)
Time to move on. The members have spoken, LAME's have spoken.
If you dont like the pay and conditions on offer, you have free will to move on. Whilst you will be soarly missed, we shall endeavour to carry on.
Majority of LAME's are content with whats on offer. If you are not, I hear Air NZ are after the high skilled workers you claim to be. See what your remuneration is there.
I'm sure Clarity will prevail.
Time to move on. The members have spoken, LAME's have spoken.
If you dont like the pay and conditions on offer, you have free will to move on. Whilst you will be soarly missed, we shall endeavour to carry on.
Majority of LAME's are content with whats on offer. If you are not, I hear Air NZ are after the high skilled workers you claim to be. See what your remuneration is there.
I'm sure Clarity will prevail.
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All power to the aptly named "Moment of Clarity"!
In my experience redundancies only offer generous remuneration to those who don't really deserve it... I wouldn't place too much stock in it improving your workforce or bargaining position. It is certainly naive to believe that such an activity will improve your lot in life.
At the risk of sounding like a prick:
... isn't that your job?
Bring on the redundancies so fair dinkum people can get some reward for their hard work or a bit of dead wood can be trimmed. With a bit of luck Mr Qantas might go as well!!
At the risk of sounding like a prick:
That's when I'm not certifing for the fix on your hyd/pneumatic/air cond system, crawling in the bilge of the cargo amongst all sorts of accumulated gunge or troubleshooting the fluctuating parameters of your engine . I might be certifying for an aileron rig duplicate insp or changing a cockpit window amongst many other things. I regularly supervise and certify for up to 8 people doing the same things.
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it might be our job-but I like would more money for it -because of the task's we perform
to mr qantas - most lame's 85% are not on 100k per year -just ask a bris heavy lame lv3 what he is on.
to mr qantas - most lame's 85% are not on 100k per year -just ask a bris heavy lame lv3 what he is on.