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An Lame you didn't have to struggle too hard to gain MEANINGFUL employment it was given to you on a platter, its a shame you dont respect your office and the responsibility that comes with it.
So never talk to us about bludging on your mates El Sectretare.
So never talk to us about bludging on your mates El Sectretare.
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maintian the rage---the company tried this hard ball crap in 01-02 with the ame's and it failed it cost them millions and in the end the ame's got what they were seeking.Dixon and Oldmeadow really don't have a clue as to what's going on the floor ,this dispute will cost them a hell of a lot more than they think.Perhaps share holders may start to ask questions as to why they awarded these numb skulls a 66% pay rise.
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We all agree that the last few EBA's have been less than satisfactory and less than the national average while QF is making record profits.
However bludging is not the answer to getting a better EBA outcome.
However bludging is not the answer to getting a better EBA outcome.
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For some strange reason you seem to associate anyone from the AN side of the tracks as being the current Secretary. I am not he, but I do support the individual (who was the only person to put his hand up and accept the job at the last election), having seen him in action prior to that time. He accepted the job when nobody else nominated.
Everything on these threads topics are either hearsay, rhetoric or plain subterfuge unfortunately aided and abetted by the severe communication problem the ALAEA as with its members. And that is certainly not to say that they haven't dropped the ball on a number of issues and occasions.
Some of you long term QF soft c0cks (the minority thankfully) sit there and whinge and whine but when the opportunity is there to take control - such as the election after the AN collapse - you all disappear up your own fundamental orifices and then come back six months later to whine and moan some more. Instead of whining anonymously on a website, grow some testicles and nominate yourself. At least you'll be in a position to accept blame when next an EBA negotiation falls over because you're dealing with a ruthless bunch of pr!cks who happen to be your employer.
Also, despite your beliefs, the Association is not AIPA - it purports to represent more than just QF membership. God help the rest of the industry if any QF people get the cohunas to stand - although the initial revelation that there IS an industry outside of QF may well be enough to kill you.
(Hope this post satisfies the spelling police)
For some strange reason you seem to associate anyone from the AN side of the tracks as being the current Secretary. I am not he, but I do support the individual (who was the only person to put his hand up and accept the job at the last election), having seen him in action prior to that time. He accepted the job when nobody else nominated.
Everything on these threads topics are either hearsay, rhetoric or plain subterfuge unfortunately aided and abetted by the severe communication problem the ALAEA as with its members. And that is certainly not to say that they haven't dropped the ball on a number of issues and occasions.
Some of you long term QF soft c0cks (the minority thankfully) sit there and whinge and whine but when the opportunity is there to take control - such as the election after the AN collapse - you all disappear up your own fundamental orifices and then come back six months later to whine and moan some more. Instead of whining anonymously on a website, grow some testicles and nominate yourself. At least you'll be in a position to accept blame when next an EBA negotiation falls over because you're dealing with a ruthless bunch of pr!cks who happen to be your employer.
Also, despite your beliefs, the Association is not AIPA - it purports to represent more than just QF membership. God help the rest of the industry if any QF people get the cohunas to stand - although the initial revelation that there IS an industry outside of QF may well be enough to kill you.
(Hope this post satisfies the spelling police)
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Not the Secretary?
(as the secretary of the union would)
(ah yes, lets stick the knives in to my best friends)
One only needs to read your prior postings to see that you are he. Get a real job and stop sponging off us!
Having been at AN for some 20 years and having dealt with DJ management occasionally since
By the way, if the ALAEA is ' an unscrupulpous and aggressive union', what does that make the AMWU, or the TWU
(ah yes, lets stick the knives in to my best friends)
One only needs to read your prior postings to see that you are he. Get a real job and stop sponging off us!
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Ah another favorite fordran - a conspiratorialist if ever there was - didn't take long for you to crawl out of your hole.
I suppose you'll start complaining about AVV now about how the LAMEs there have to sign for work done by unqualified AMEs - or whatever your latest rhetioric. Here's some advice - DON'T. You were issued with a CASA LICENCE not a QF one. You simply say no and check the work as you are required by the REGULATOR - that's CASA despite the attitude of some of you forelock tugging whiners.
Once again I am not DK. I imagine he wouldn't give the time of day to reading the drivel some of you whiners come up with.
I suppose you'll start complaining about AVV now about how the LAMEs there have to sign for work done by unqualified AMEs - or whatever your latest rhetioric. Here's some advice - DON'T. You were issued with a CASA LICENCE not a QF one. You simply say no and check the work as you are required by the REGULATOR - that's CASA despite the attitude of some of you forelock tugging whiners.
Once again I am not DK. I imagine he wouldn't give the time of day to reading the drivel some of you whiners come up with.
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A perfect dk response.
If its good I'll take the credit.
If its not, hey nothing to do with me.
Also containing the trademark 'If you dont agree with me you must be scum' attitude of the ALAEA executive.
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If its good I'll take the credit.
If its not, hey nothing to do with me.
Also containing the trademark 'If you dont agree with me you must be scum' attitude of the ALAEA executive.
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'...containing the trademark 'If you dont agree with me you must be scum' ...'
And you and your cronies responses to my criticism differs from this statement in what manner?
Once again, there was more than one LAME at AN. And why didn't any of you heroes step up when the opportunity was in the offing rather than DK hyaving to go around again.
'If its good I'll take the credit' Once you explain this cryptic gibberish I'll try and make a retort - or not.
'Having been at AN for some 20 years and having dealt with DJ management occasionally since' (as the secretary of the union would)...as did others
'By the way, if the ALAEA is ' an unscrupulpous and aggressive union', what does that make the AMWU, or the TWU ' Now you're confusing me with SP and the Melbourne nuffies
And you and your cronies responses to my criticism differs from this statement in what manner?
Once again, there was more than one LAME at AN. And why didn't any of you heroes step up when the opportunity was in the offing rather than DK hyaving to go around again.
'If its good I'll take the credit' Once you explain this cryptic gibberish I'll try and make a retort - or not.
'Having been at AN for some 20 years and having dealt with DJ management occasionally since' (as the secretary of the union would)...as did others
'By the way, if the ALAEA is ' an unscrupulpous and aggressive union', what does that make the AMWU, or the TWU ' Now you're confusing me with SP and the Melbourne nuffies
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In scanning the previous posts regarding yourself, I am unable to see you called any other name than dk (An insult in some circles I'm sure but hardly at the level of childish name calling!). As always I stand to be corrected, and will acknowledge such correction as necessary.
I find it very interesting that the fact dk's job would be a paid position was kept quite secretive until after he was selected for the position. No arguement....this I know for a fact. Many of OUR colleagues would have jumped at the oppurtunity.
And finally, if you have an issue with SP deal with it like a professional union official or move on. You COULD throw hot water at him or sue him hoping that he'll crumble, but that wouldn't be professional now would it!?.
The days of the current executive are numbered. 3 Months after the guys decide to implement O/T bans, the union tries to endorse it.
Now that what I call having a finger on the pulse of the members.
I find it very interesting that the fact dk's job would be a paid position was kept quite secretive until after he was selected for the position. No arguement....this I know for a fact. Many of OUR colleagues would have jumped at the oppurtunity.
And finally, if you have an issue with SP deal with it like a professional union official or move on. You COULD throw hot water at him or sue him hoping that he'll crumble, but that wouldn't be professional now would it!?.
The days of the current executive are numbered. 3 Months after the guys decide to implement O/T bans, the union tries to endorse it.
Now that what I call having a finger on the pulse of the members.
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'In scanning the previous posts regarding yourself, I am unable to see you called any other name than dk (An insult in some circles I'm sure but hardly at the level of childish name calling!). As always I stand to be corrected, and will acknowledge such correction as necessary.'
So you and your consipracy theorists have , in the absence of a shred of evidence, decided that because I hold a view that does not agree with your own then I MUST be someone on the Exec. How absurd - not to mention paranoid. The second part of the above statement is even more absurd - this is an anonymous rumour netwrok. Which part of that don't you understand?
'I find it very interesting that the fact dk's job would be a paid position was kept quite secretive until after he was selected for the position. No arguement....this I know for a fact. Many of OUR colleagues would have jumped at the oppurtunity.'
The issue of payment in the role of Fed Sec has been well known since it became a full time position. If the Fed Sec worked for an airline, his time away frpom work was covered by his employer - in the same manner as the Exec. What did you expect the bloke to do - do it for free ( I'm sure you and your ilk would jump at the chance) If the current Fed Sec was QF his time would be paid by QF as has been custom and practice. If you cared to drop in and have a look at the financial records it would be quite clear. But then again, you're there all the time, eh Steve.
'Now that what I call having a finger on the pulse of the members.'... more like up your arse
So you and your consipracy theorists have , in the absence of a shred of evidence, decided that because I hold a view that does not agree with your own then I MUST be someone on the Exec. How absurd - not to mention paranoid. The second part of the above statement is even more absurd - this is an anonymous rumour netwrok. Which part of that don't you understand?
'I find it very interesting that the fact dk's job would be a paid position was kept quite secretive until after he was selected for the position. No arguement....this I know for a fact. Many of OUR colleagues would have jumped at the oppurtunity.'
The issue of payment in the role of Fed Sec has been well known since it became a full time position. If the Fed Sec worked for an airline, his time away frpom work was covered by his employer - in the same manner as the Exec. What did you expect the bloke to do - do it for free ( I'm sure you and your ilk would jump at the chance) If the current Fed Sec was QF his time would be paid by QF as has been custom and practice. If you cared to drop in and have a look at the financial records it would be quite clear. But then again, you're there all the time, eh Steve.
'Now that what I call having a finger on the pulse of the members.'... more like up your arse
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The more you post, the more stupid you sound.
I call you dk, you can call me SP for all I care. I know the truth and thats enough for me....now how 'bout you?
Whether you are a part of the ALAEA executive or not, once again I dont really care. Drawing a long bow as it may be, seems the only people who think the executive is doing a good job are....the executive (and those supported by the current executive!).
The financial records....now there is an interesting one. Why, as a normal fully paid up member, am I unable to know how much dk costs ALAEA members per annum?
It cant be that much can it.
And finally, in a thread devoted to the morale of QF LAME's why do you care more about the name you are called than the serious issue being discussed.
Sounds like the sort of guy who'd be insulted by being labelled a 'tainted union official'
Continue with the name calling and profanity. Merely demonstrates the firm grasp you have on the English language (and on .....).
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I call you dk, you can call me SP for all I care. I know the truth and thats enough for me....now how 'bout you?
Whether you are a part of the ALAEA executive or not, once again I dont really care. Drawing a long bow as it may be, seems the only people who think the executive is doing a good job are....the executive (and those supported by the current executive!).
The financial records....now there is an interesting one. Why, as a normal fully paid up member, am I unable to know how much dk costs ALAEA members per annum?
It cant be that much can it.
And finally, in a thread devoted to the morale of QF LAME's why do you care more about the name you are called than the serious issue being discussed.
Sounds like the sort of guy who'd be insulted by being labelled a 'tainted union official'
Continue with the name calling and profanity. Merely demonstrates the firm grasp you have on the English language (and on .....).
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And the circle continues....sounds like a perfect dk answer!
If it sounds like waste, smells like waste, looks like waste, you can be pretty sure its waste.
Beautifully avoided addressing the real issues....situation normal ( for another 12 months or so!)
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If it sounds like waste, smells like waste, looks like waste, you can be pretty sure its waste.
Beautifully avoided addressing the real issues....situation normal ( for another 12 months or so!)
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This topic is about LAME moral at Qantas. It is low and I think we have been discussing the source of all the problems. The pis% weak union and it's Sponge Bob leader.
AN LAME I hear what you are saying about your paid position and what a great job you do. I understand that if you had a real job, you would get reimbursed by the union to the airline. I just want to know why we haven't been able to contact you for the last month. After all we have just been told to take industrial action against Qf for the first time ever. (we have taken it before but please note that it was the members decision then).
As for your paid position lets get some facts out there.
You initially were appointed to the role by the Federal Executive, not elected by the members.
You held this honorary position whilst still working at Ansett with no need to become the full time Sec.
You lost your job.
All of a sudden you were required to be a full time Sec paid by the members with your position reviewed by the Exec every month.
An election was called for all Exec spots including yours and nobody was informed that that the Sec job would be a full time paid position.
You were elected unopposed whilst all other ex AN LAMEs looked for real jobs.
A number of other Melbourne boys you don't like also got elected and they would have opposed the monthly review of your paid position.
You called a short notice Exec meeting for June 27 2002. The outgoing Exec voted to remove the requirement to review your position on a monthly basis and ordered a contract be made to keep you full time whilst you and you alone remain Fed Sec.
July 1 2002. The new Exec takes over and aren't allowed to review or see your contract.
Sounds above board to me. Would you like to dispute any of these facts? We can scan the minutes and create links to them if you like.
Since your time at the helm you have made certain that division has reigned supreme throughout our Qf membership. This is the root of our problems, it will also cause your demise.
Have a nice day AN LAME.
AN LAME I hear what you are saying about your paid position and what a great job you do. I understand that if you had a real job, you would get reimbursed by the union to the airline. I just want to know why we haven't been able to contact you for the last month. After all we have just been told to take industrial action against Qf for the first time ever. (we have taken it before but please note that it was the members decision then).
As for your paid position lets get some facts out there.
You initially were appointed to the role by the Federal Executive, not elected by the members.
You held this honorary position whilst still working at Ansett with no need to become the full time Sec.
You lost your job.
All of a sudden you were required to be a full time Sec paid by the members with your position reviewed by the Exec every month.
An election was called for all Exec spots including yours and nobody was informed that that the Sec job would be a full time paid position.
You were elected unopposed whilst all other ex AN LAMEs looked for real jobs.
A number of other Melbourne boys you don't like also got elected and they would have opposed the monthly review of your paid position.
You called a short notice Exec meeting for June 27 2002. The outgoing Exec voted to remove the requirement to review your position on a monthly basis and ordered a contract be made to keep you full time whilst you and you alone remain Fed Sec.
July 1 2002. The new Exec takes over and aren't allowed to review or see your contract.
Sounds above board to me. Would you like to dispute any of these facts? We can scan the minutes and create links to them if you like.
Since your time at the helm you have made certain that division has reigned supreme throughout our Qf membership. This is the root of our problems, it will also cause your demise.
Have a nice day AN LAME.
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AN lame, Let me welcome you back to this Forum. your frequent comments last year were always welcome and I hoped to continue to read them. But unfortunately you banned all your senior exec. staff from contributing to any of these forums early this year and you of course had to comply also. It was always nice to read between the lines of your comments and I would use them to decipher the mind set of the ASN.
Because I too believe you are who you say you are not, your frequent response to those who questioned the ASN was " you would be surprised what went on behind closed doors" ( at the ASN). as you are the only ex-Ansett member of the Exec. you are the only one who would then qualify to be privy to the goings on behind said closed doors.
I hope this doesn't mean that we have seen the end of you for another 3 months.........?
Because I too believe you are who you say you are not, your frequent response to those who questioned the ASN was " you would be surprised what went on behind closed doors" ( at the ASN). as you are the only ex-Ansett member of the Exec. you are the only one who would then qualify to be privy to the goings on behind said closed doors.
I hope this doesn't mean that we have seen the end of you for another 3 months.........?
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For once goatrider you are correct, this thread is about LAME moral(e) at QF. I am a QF LAME - despite your non-belief due to my opposition to a great deal of the garbage that emanates from yourself, (Son of) Brake Boy and other sundry persons. And if you read my initial contributions to the thread before we got side tracked, I was bemonaing what I felt was an unprofessional attitude by a couple of contributors. That does not mean that I think Qantas are a magnamimous employer - far from it. They are as aggressive and antagonistic employer in Australia today. But if the contributions of the vocal minority on this thread are any indication of the collective professional attitude of our fellow LAMEs, then how in hell are we going to win better pay and conditions.
I'm all for the O/T ban and further action but I suspect that some of our esteemed colleagues may find it a bit difficult to swallow when faced with a loss of personal income and will break ranks - which is a problem faced by most unionised groups in this industry.
I'm all for the O/T ban and further action but I suspect that some of our esteemed colleagues may find it a bit difficult to swallow when faced with a loss of personal income and will break ranks - which is a problem faced by most unionised groups in this industry.
Ah professionalism! What a lovely word. This is a term often dear to the hearts of people on the shop floor who have worked their way up the ladder and who rightly feel proud of their achievements and professional status.
To give a long winded example, I was always stuck at school and as a young AN engineer with the necessity to wear a tie - I hate the things! On blisteringly hot days at Tulla a few of us would remove said ties. Usually this was spotted within fifteen minutes by middle managers who had worked their way up, earning the right to wear a tie in the process, who reacted with horror and outrage! Mr. AN sounds like this.
Trouble is possums, that clinging to the use of that word and the status attached can be counter productive. I have to tell you that management will play on your "professional" sensitivities, your duty to the company, passengers, flight crew, country and of course your "profession" for all they are worth.
Meanwhile as a "professional" engineer, MBA, Manager, I have watched "professional" venture capitalists, merchant bankers, academics and business men engage in conduct that would make you want to vomit.
Translation. Forget the "professional" argument. The Australian Medical Association is a "professional" body as well, just like the legal "profession", and just watch how they gouge on behalf of their members.
There is no need to back off because you are "professional", in fact one could argue that your "professional" responsibilities demand a "professional" salary to go with it!
Cheers,
Sunfish
To give a long winded example, I was always stuck at school and as a young AN engineer with the necessity to wear a tie - I hate the things! On blisteringly hot days at Tulla a few of us would remove said ties. Usually this was spotted within fifteen minutes by middle managers who had worked their way up, earning the right to wear a tie in the process, who reacted with horror and outrage! Mr. AN sounds like this.
Trouble is possums, that clinging to the use of that word and the status attached can be counter productive. I have to tell you that management will play on your "professional" sensitivities, your duty to the company, passengers, flight crew, country and of course your "profession" for all they are worth.
Meanwhile as a "professional" engineer, MBA, Manager, I have watched "professional" venture capitalists, merchant bankers, academics and business men engage in conduct that would make you want to vomit.
Translation. Forget the "professional" argument. The Australian Medical Association is a "professional" body as well, just like the legal "profession", and just watch how they gouge on behalf of their members.
There is no need to back off because you are "professional", in fact one could argue that your "professional" responsibilities demand a "professional" salary to go with it!
Cheers,
Sunfish