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I'm at a bit of a loss too. Not sure how an old 737 or a 146 could be 30% faster. Sort of sounds like one of our esteemed leaders saying that by going non ETOPS to Perth only costs five minutes.
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Uncommon Sense - I think $9k cost per sector sounds close - see my proposed set of figures (in two posts) back on page 8...
Someone complained about a couple of omissions which I adjusted but no-one has come back since. I'd be really interested in getting some more aviation bush-economists analyzing this and testing my hypothesis (no rubber gloves required).
Now I know the guys in the pointy end don't like bean counting but there may be a few people here close to the numbers. How much does Jet A1 cost, for example? I guess it's less than$1.00 a litre... Isn't it $68 a drum? Those 732's probably have to be fuelled from drums, too...
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Someone complained about a couple of omissions which I adjusted but no-one has come back since. I'd be really interested in getting some more aviation bush-economists analyzing this and testing my hypothesis (no rubber gloves required).
Now I know the guys in the pointy end don't like bean counting but there may be a few people here close to the numbers. How much does Jet A1 cost, for example? I guess it's less than$1.00 a litre... Isn't it $68 a drum? Those 732's probably have to be fuelled from drums, too...
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Ozjet has gone as quiet as this thread. Still waters run deep? Or is it because the F1 GP circus has moved into a more distant timezone?
Anyone know if they are any closer to getting their AOC?
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Anyone know if they are any closer to getting their AOC?
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Their website www.ozjet.com.au says they will be flying by midyear. Same website has a jobs section but no positions advertised. Must already have all the experts they need? Or maybe they reckon there are plenty of suitable people unemployed who can start next Monday?
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Acute observation, fruitbatflyer. Mid year would be... end June?
Which is about 13 weeks away, by my reckoning.
Does anyone here know anyone who is actually signed up to work with them? In ANY capacity?
Or are they all sworn to secrecy?
Which is about 13 weeks away, by my reckoning.
Does anyone here know anyone who is actually signed up to work with them? In ANY capacity?
Or are they all sworn to secrecy?
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The Oz today is reporting that ozjet are soon starting recruitment for pilots:
RACING identity Paul Stoddart's premium start-up airline, Ozjet, is moving to recruit pilots after setting up a senior management structure to run its operations Ozjet chief executive Hans Van Pelt said yesterday the airline would start advertising for pilots this week and remained confident it would launch in the third quarter of this calendar year.
The niche airline intends to initially operate a fleet of three BAe-146s and two Boeing 737-200 jets, each with 60 business class seats in a two- abreast configuration.
It will provide a business class service at full economy prices that will include the ability to avoid queues by carrying up to three pieces of baggage into the cabin.
Initially serving Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra and Adelaide, Ozjet hopes to double its fleet to 10 by mid-2006 and extend services to Perth, Brisbane and Port Lincoln.
Mr Van Pelt said the airline was pushing along with its application for an air operator's certificate "pretty much on schedule".
He said Ozjet had hired key post holders, including a chief pilot as well as check and training, engineering and safety and audit managers.
The flight attendant management structure was in place and the airline was looking for accounting and commercial executives.
It was also looking for pilots because they would take the longest to train. " We want to get them in the bag early," he said.
One of the airline's 737s is already in Australia and a second is undergoing heavy maintenance in Britain.
Mr Van Pelt said three BAe-146s were also undergoing heavy maintenance checks in Australia.
"So that's our five start-up fleet in the third quarter and then we'll get to 10 as quickly as we can after that, which will give us some efficiencies," he said.
"If we start with five (aircraft) we can concentrate on key markets and then we don't have too big a headache getting through January when there's nothing around."
Ozjet is aiming for a single-digit market share and will be targeting corporate and government business.
It says its market research indicates the new service will be well received and Mr Van Pelt believes it will be able to withstand competition from Virgin Blue and Qantas.
Virgin, in particular, is moving to aggressively court business travellers with flexible fares and perks such as free lounge access and priority check-in. Virgin also plans to introduce a frequent flyer scheme.
- The Australian ~ TUE 12 APR
And from the ozjet website:
Media Release
OzJet is All-Business for Air Travellers in Australia
11 April 2005
OzJet is Australia's new all-business-class airline, aiming to be in the air in the third quarter of 2005.
OzJet will operate a fleet of planes each with 60 business-class seats.
Its fares for these big, comfortable seats and matching service will be equivalent to Australian fully-flexible economy tickets.
OzJet will substantially change the nature of business travel in Australia while offering its customers greater speed, comfort, service and productivity.
On the high-frequency Sydney-Melbourne route in particular, travelers will save as much as 30 per cent in time because of OzJet's self check-in and - as they will be able to carry three pieces of luggage, including suit packs - avoiding baggage queues.
Headed by Australia's international aviation and Formula One sporting identity Mr Paul Stoddart, OzJet will be different, innovative and determined – a unique networking opportunity in the skies on an airline that means business.
While only charging a normal economy fare, OzJet's business-class tickets will have full flexibility for change, transfer or even cancellation.
Initially Ozjet will service Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra and Adelaide, with its headquarters, call centre and many other essential business functions in the South Australian capital.
Seats in OzJet's B737-200 and BAE 146 jets will be configured four abreast - two by two, without the often-annoying middle seat.
Each seat will have a 40-inch pitch, providing significant extra legroom, there will be more lateral space as well, and – if a traveler has work to be done rather than take advantage of OzJet's relaxing environment - PC power will help maximize productivity.
Once it obtains its Air Operator Certificate (AOC), OzJet plans to begin services in September, initially with six aircraft and then 10 by July 2006 – when it is intended to extend services to include Brisbane, Perth and Port Lincoln.
Popular tourist destinations such as the Gold Coast and Hamilton Island may be added later.
The travel industry has welcomed OzJet's imminent arrival in the market, with Australia's largest travel agency groups and corporate travel management companies pledging their support.
OzJet's reservation system will be compatible with the global distribution systems used by travel agents, other airlines and corporate on-sellers. This will enable the travel industry to easily book an OzJet ticket without the need for duplication from internet-based systems. This will provide additional benefit for passengers connecting with OzJet flights to or from international carriers, giving international carriers an alternative independent carrier with which they can partner to connect passengers to and from Australian domestic flights.
OzJet will be very travel agency-friendly, paying standard commissions to agents.
OzJet is only aiming for single-digit market share in Australia's $5 billion aviation market.
Its focus will be on corporate and government travelers, many of whom have been restricted to date by policies requiring them to travel on the "lowest logical fare of the day" and by the limited availability of business-class seats with existing carriers.
OzJet's pricing policy could make its fares the lowest available in many cases, yet with business-class seats and service.
"We will offer compelling value by providing business-class travel for no additional cost and with a suite of additional benefits," says OzJet chief executive officer, Mr Hans van Pelt.
"We have the ability to offer a different product and service to a large and growing market that is becoming more concerned with service and on-time performance.
"We have a commitment to deliver great service and to treat our customers with respect and as friends.
"Our market research reveals that our customers are identifiable, reachable and highly receptive to greater speed, more comfort, better service and higher productivity.
"The greatest long-term advantage for OzJet is operating in an environment which other Australian airlines cannot.
"Even if our competitors try to discount fares they simply cannot match OzJet's product."
OzJet Airlines Pty Ltd is an Australian company headed by a management team with strong aviation backgrounds and experience.
Mr van Pelt is a leading airline industry executive previously with Regional Express (Rex), Ansett and Air New Zealand.
Mr van Pelt and fellow executive Mr Peter Schott are OzJet directors, along with Mr Trevor King, a commercial lawyer and businessman, and chairman Mr Paul Stoddart.
Mr Stoddart is an Australian who has made his mark in international aviation as the head of the European Aviation company he founded in the early 1990s.
European Aviation, with facilities at Ledbury and Bournemouth in Britain, operates seven 737s, four 747s, a simulator centre, an interiors division and a spare parts division. The company specialises in airline support as well as supporting its own airline.
In 2003 one of European's operations, Palmair European, won the prestigious UK Airline of the Year award from consumer protection magazine Which.
European Aviation's spare parts division was established after Mr Stoddart purchased five aircraft – three Falcon 20s and two BAC-111s – from the Royal Australian Air Force in a tender in 1989.
The spare parts offered by the RAAF in that tender formed the basis of European's spare parts division, now among the largest businesses of its type in the United Kingdom with more than a million spare parts line items.
Mr Stoddart also owns and runs the Minardi Formula One racing team, the fourth-oldest team in the world's biggest globally televised sport after soccer. Only the Ferrari, McLaren and Williams teams have been in F1 longer than Minardi, which is based at Faenza in Italy.
Although the smallest team in this massive sport, Minardi is renowned as having launched many great driving careers in F1 – including that of Australian Mark Webber (who still travels to Grand Prix races in Europe races aboard Mr Stoddart's planes despite having graduated to stronger racing teams) as well as F1 race winners Fernando Alonso of Spain and Giancarlo Fisichella and Jarno Trulli of Italy.
Apart from its F1 racing activities, Minardi also has eight two-seater F1 cars which are used for promotional and charitable purposes.
Like Minardi, OzJet will have a "boutique" niche in its market against much bigger participants but with the capacity and endurance for the challenge.
It will provide a high-quality, time-efficient service – a new "wow factor" in Australian aviation - at modest cost.
RACING identity Paul Stoddart's premium start-up airline, Ozjet, is moving to recruit pilots after setting up a senior management structure to run its operations Ozjet chief executive Hans Van Pelt said yesterday the airline would start advertising for pilots this week and remained confident it would launch in the third quarter of this calendar year.
The niche airline intends to initially operate a fleet of three BAe-146s and two Boeing 737-200 jets, each with 60 business class seats in a two- abreast configuration.
It will provide a business class service at full economy prices that will include the ability to avoid queues by carrying up to three pieces of baggage into the cabin.
Initially serving Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra and Adelaide, Ozjet hopes to double its fleet to 10 by mid-2006 and extend services to Perth, Brisbane and Port Lincoln.
Mr Van Pelt said the airline was pushing along with its application for an air operator's certificate "pretty much on schedule".
He said Ozjet had hired key post holders, including a chief pilot as well as check and training, engineering and safety and audit managers.
The flight attendant management structure was in place and the airline was looking for accounting and commercial executives.
It was also looking for pilots because they would take the longest to train. " We want to get them in the bag early," he said.
One of the airline's 737s is already in Australia and a second is undergoing heavy maintenance in Britain.
Mr Van Pelt said three BAe-146s were also undergoing heavy maintenance checks in Australia.
"So that's our five start-up fleet in the third quarter and then we'll get to 10 as quickly as we can after that, which will give us some efficiencies," he said.
"If we start with five (aircraft) we can concentrate on key markets and then we don't have too big a headache getting through January when there's nothing around."
Ozjet is aiming for a single-digit market share and will be targeting corporate and government business.
It says its market research indicates the new service will be well received and Mr Van Pelt believes it will be able to withstand competition from Virgin Blue and Qantas.
Virgin, in particular, is moving to aggressively court business travellers with flexible fares and perks such as free lounge access and priority check-in. Virgin also plans to introduce a frequent flyer scheme.
- The Australian ~ TUE 12 APR
And from the ozjet website:
Media Release
OzJet is All-Business for Air Travellers in Australia
11 April 2005
OzJet is Australia's new all-business-class airline, aiming to be in the air in the third quarter of 2005.
OzJet will operate a fleet of planes each with 60 business-class seats.
Its fares for these big, comfortable seats and matching service will be equivalent to Australian fully-flexible economy tickets.
OzJet will substantially change the nature of business travel in Australia while offering its customers greater speed, comfort, service and productivity.
On the high-frequency Sydney-Melbourne route in particular, travelers will save as much as 30 per cent in time because of OzJet's self check-in and - as they will be able to carry three pieces of luggage, including suit packs - avoiding baggage queues.
Headed by Australia's international aviation and Formula One sporting identity Mr Paul Stoddart, OzJet will be different, innovative and determined – a unique networking opportunity in the skies on an airline that means business.
While only charging a normal economy fare, OzJet's business-class tickets will have full flexibility for change, transfer or even cancellation.
Initially Ozjet will service Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra and Adelaide, with its headquarters, call centre and many other essential business functions in the South Australian capital.
Seats in OzJet's B737-200 and BAE 146 jets will be configured four abreast - two by two, without the often-annoying middle seat.
Each seat will have a 40-inch pitch, providing significant extra legroom, there will be more lateral space as well, and – if a traveler has work to be done rather than take advantage of OzJet's relaxing environment - PC power will help maximize productivity.
Once it obtains its Air Operator Certificate (AOC), OzJet plans to begin services in September, initially with six aircraft and then 10 by July 2006 – when it is intended to extend services to include Brisbane, Perth and Port Lincoln.
Popular tourist destinations such as the Gold Coast and Hamilton Island may be added later.
The travel industry has welcomed OzJet's imminent arrival in the market, with Australia's largest travel agency groups and corporate travel management companies pledging their support.
OzJet's reservation system will be compatible with the global distribution systems used by travel agents, other airlines and corporate on-sellers. This will enable the travel industry to easily book an OzJet ticket without the need for duplication from internet-based systems. This will provide additional benefit for passengers connecting with OzJet flights to or from international carriers, giving international carriers an alternative independent carrier with which they can partner to connect passengers to and from Australian domestic flights.
OzJet will be very travel agency-friendly, paying standard commissions to agents.
OzJet is only aiming for single-digit market share in Australia's $5 billion aviation market.
Its focus will be on corporate and government travelers, many of whom have been restricted to date by policies requiring them to travel on the "lowest logical fare of the day" and by the limited availability of business-class seats with existing carriers.
OzJet's pricing policy could make its fares the lowest available in many cases, yet with business-class seats and service.
"We will offer compelling value by providing business-class travel for no additional cost and with a suite of additional benefits," says OzJet chief executive officer, Mr Hans van Pelt.
"We have the ability to offer a different product and service to a large and growing market that is becoming more concerned with service and on-time performance.
"We have a commitment to deliver great service and to treat our customers with respect and as friends.
"Our market research reveals that our customers are identifiable, reachable and highly receptive to greater speed, more comfort, better service and higher productivity.
"The greatest long-term advantage for OzJet is operating in an environment which other Australian airlines cannot.
"Even if our competitors try to discount fares they simply cannot match OzJet's product."
OzJet Airlines Pty Ltd is an Australian company headed by a management team with strong aviation backgrounds and experience.
Mr van Pelt is a leading airline industry executive previously with Regional Express (Rex), Ansett and Air New Zealand.
Mr van Pelt and fellow executive Mr Peter Schott are OzJet directors, along with Mr Trevor King, a commercial lawyer and businessman, and chairman Mr Paul Stoddart.
Mr Stoddart is an Australian who has made his mark in international aviation as the head of the European Aviation company he founded in the early 1990s.
European Aviation, with facilities at Ledbury and Bournemouth in Britain, operates seven 737s, four 747s, a simulator centre, an interiors division and a spare parts division. The company specialises in airline support as well as supporting its own airline.
In 2003 one of European's operations, Palmair European, won the prestigious UK Airline of the Year award from consumer protection magazine Which.
European Aviation's spare parts division was established after Mr Stoddart purchased five aircraft – three Falcon 20s and two BAC-111s – from the Royal Australian Air Force in a tender in 1989.
The spare parts offered by the RAAF in that tender formed the basis of European's spare parts division, now among the largest businesses of its type in the United Kingdom with more than a million spare parts line items.
Mr Stoddart also owns and runs the Minardi Formula One racing team, the fourth-oldest team in the world's biggest globally televised sport after soccer. Only the Ferrari, McLaren and Williams teams have been in F1 longer than Minardi, which is based at Faenza in Italy.
Although the smallest team in this massive sport, Minardi is renowned as having launched many great driving careers in F1 – including that of Australian Mark Webber (who still travels to Grand Prix races in Europe races aboard Mr Stoddart's planes despite having graduated to stronger racing teams) as well as F1 race winners Fernando Alonso of Spain and Giancarlo Fisichella and Jarno Trulli of Italy.
Apart from its F1 racing activities, Minardi also has eight two-seater F1 cars which are used for promotional and charitable purposes.
Like Minardi, OzJet will have a "boutique" niche in its market against much bigger participants but with the capacity and endurance for the challenge.
It will provide a high-quality, time-efficient service – a new "wow factor" in Australian aviation - at modest cost.
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In 2003 one of European's operations, Palmair European, won the prestigious UK Airline of the Year award from consumer protection magazine Which.
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PLO is a very wealthy little town. It is often said that there are more millionares in Port Lincoln than in Adelaide - not sure how true that is though!!!
An interesting concept, mixing in a jet with all the Saabs and Brasilias. Only time will tell, I guess!
An interesting concept, mixing in a jet with all the Saabs and Brasilias. Only time will tell, I guess!
