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To applehead,
I have nothing to apologise for. You and Cap Claret quite obviously cannot see the point I'm trying to make; that being and I say again, what about the poor guys & gals who cannot fly anymore because of these carcogenic wonders. You may like this thing because it's all you've got but that does not hide the "FACT" that this bird has ruined many a career. YOU CANNOT DENY THAT!
The only reason these things are still in the air from a companies point of view is that they're CHEAP. AND WHY ARE THEY CHEAP?
I have nothing to apologise for. You and Cap Claret quite obviously cannot see the point I'm trying to make; that being and I say again, what about the poor guys & gals who cannot fly anymore because of these carcogenic wonders. You may like this thing because it's all you've got but that does not hide the "FACT" that this bird has ruined many a career. YOU CANNOT DENY THAT!
The only reason these things are still in the air from a companies point of view is that they're CHEAP. AND WHY ARE THEY CHEAP?
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G-CEAI MSN 21176 line number 431 YOB 1975
Total time 57459 hrs, 41527 cycles as of a few months ago. No reported utilisation since early 2003.
Originally purchased and operated by Sabena, leased out to operators including Gulf Air, Air Gabon, MAS etc.
Total time 57459 hrs, 41527 cycles as of a few months ago. No reported utilisation since early 2003.
Originally purchased and operated by Sabena, leased out to operators including Gulf Air, Air Gabon, MAS etc.
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1975 eh, well she's a flirty young girl by OZ GA standards.
But we don't want to go there do we.
I thought third world countries, petty dictatorships or the desert were the dumping ground for cobweb infested airline type clunkers this old.
We are supposed to be a young vibrant modern forward looking switched on country?
Still, we get a version of this every year at GP time, with any luck it will go away with that circus too.
And I am a F1 fan too.
But we don't want to go there do we.
I thought third world countries, petty dictatorships or the desert were the dumping ground for cobweb infested airline type clunkers this old.
We are supposed to be a young vibrant modern forward looking switched on country?
Still, we get a version of this every year at GP time, with any luck it will go away with that circus too.
And I am a F1 fan too.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Personally I think the concept of providing an upmarket air carrier is a good one, and long overdue and wish them every success.
Hopefully. for the pilots' sakes, the autopilots on these -200's will NOT be the old CWS type.
If they do exceedingly well, who knows WHAT the replacement type might be.
Ansett New Zealand was started (by The Fat Man) with 100 series 737's (you know, the "737 convertible" as flown by Aloha Airlines), that we heard he'd paid only $1 million each (for).
They LOOKED fanbloodytastic with the new paint job, and a plush blue interior, but were heaps of cr@p mechanically...leaking pneumatic ducts (technically known as fuct ducts!), and several hydraulic system failures - BUT they got the airline going without investing too much initially.
And the passengers - you know, those people who PAY to ride inside - thought they looked BEEeeeautiful, and flocked to Ansett N.Z. in droves!
Anyway, Good Luck, Ozjet
Hopefully. for the pilots' sakes, the autopilots on these -200's will NOT be the old CWS type.
If they do exceedingly well, who knows WHAT the replacement type might be.
Ansett New Zealand was started (by The Fat Man) with 100 series 737's (you know, the "737 convertible" as flown by Aloha Airlines), that we heard he'd paid only $1 million each (for).
They LOOKED fanbloodytastic with the new paint job, and a plush blue interior, but were heaps of cr@p mechanically...leaking pneumatic ducts (technically known as fuct ducts!), and several hydraulic system failures - BUT they got the airline going without investing too much initially.
And the passengers - you know, those people who PAY to ride inside - thought they looked BEEeeeautiful, and flocked to Ansett N.Z. in droves!
Anyway, Good Luck, Ozjet
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Indeedy Kaptin!!
As long as the aeroplane has been well maintained and is well fitted out, who cares if it is old enough to have kids in grade 9.
I wish Ozjet clear skies, and a smooth ride. As I said earlier, I would just adore to see the former Eastwest junior Jumbos come off the fence and fly again as well.
We definitely need another full service carrier to maintain just that - the delivery of full service.
A clear and present danger may even make GD have a little look at what he is doing to staf morale, and retain a few jobs in Australia. Faint hope - but a hope at least.
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As long as the aeroplane has been well maintained and is well fitted out, who cares if it is old enough to have kids in grade 9.
I wish Ozjet clear skies, and a smooth ride. As I said earlier, I would just adore to see the former Eastwest junior Jumbos come off the fence and fly again as well.
We definitely need another full service carrier to maintain just that - the delivery of full service.
A clear and present danger may even make GD have a little look at what he is doing to staf morale, and retain a few jobs in Australia. Faint hope - but a hope at least.
Best all
EWL
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Is everyone missing something here, or is it just lack of info your side of the world.
Where are all these other airframes coming from and how is stoddy gonna pay for them. He may act loaded, but he aint.
Yes he owns skip loads of parts back here and a bunch of airframes. So he's added a little paint to an existing colour scheme and flown one down under. But the other 732's are either working on contracts over here or waiting to be brocken up. I also believe some on the flying examples have major checks due this year.
From the outside the busniness plan he has reverted to (not planned for years) would work, with the right capital and airframes behind it.
Also: Do you guys not know some of the things he's been upto over here in the past and the cr~p he speaks some time. Do you actually trust hime from a perceptive point of view.
Where are all these other airframes coming from and how is stoddy gonna pay for them. He may act loaded, but he aint.
Yes he owns skip loads of parts back here and a bunch of airframes. So he's added a little paint to an existing colour scheme and flown one down under. But the other 732's are either working on contracts over here or waiting to be brocken up. I also believe some on the flying examples have major checks due this year.
From the outside the busniness plan he has reverted to (not planned for years) would work, with the right capital and airframes behind it.
Also: Do you guys not know some of the things he's been upto over here in the past and the cr~p he speaks some time. Do you actually trust hime from a perceptive point of view.
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732's are still being used in the US, Alaska has them operating into gravel strips on the tundra and Delta uses hush kitted models on the East Coast, even into downtown DC(Reagan Natl). Southwest are still using 732s between Dallas, Houston and Austin Texas. With all the 733's about and the cost of fuel I would have thought the airlines here would have retired them. Maybe they fill a niche in the routes and the numbers just work. I think that it proves the point that while the airframe is old, it does still seem to have it's uses and seems to be doing OK in certain markets.
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And in the latest news for the Australian Grand Prix, Stoddart (Minardi) want to race last years car as they couldn't afford to build a new one. This bodes well for Ozjet, an airline using clapped out, out of date equipment and they can't afford to pay for maintenence.
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Hey P47,
I read with interest "this bird has ruined many a career. YOU CANNOT DENY THAT!". Would you be kind enough to quantify "many" please. I see lots of grand claims and the espousion (sorry for mangling the english language) of many wild claims. Please quantify in order that your argument might become more rational and less hmmmm.......
I am aware of one shall we say "questionable" incident, where it appeared that money made the problem go away.
Infact, the APU makes more smell than the main engines if you really wanna know.
I read with interest "this bird has ruined many a career. YOU CANNOT DENY THAT!". Would you be kind enough to quantify "many" please. I see lots of grand claims and the espousion (sorry for mangling the english language) of many wild claims. Please quantify in order that your argument might become more rational and less hmmmm.......
I am aware of one shall we say "questionable" incident, where it appeared that money made the problem go away.
Infact, the APU makes more smell than the main engines if you really wanna know.
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the plan is apparently 6 aircraft before June, all B737-200 from EAAC, UK.
capping your aircraft at 60 seats though and still selling economy fares in a highly competitive market - you will need to consistently sell out every flight in order to ven try and make some money, or at least break-even.
Interesting idea though.
capping your aircraft at 60 seats though and still selling economy fares in a highly competitive market - you will need to consistently sell out every flight in order to ven try and make some money, or at least break-even.
Interesting idea though.
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Ferrari may be running 2004 model but have made 2005 safety mods; Minardi has not, as I understand.
Again, bodes well (not) for OzJet.
They dont have to sell every seat on every flight though... 70-80% LF will get them enough to upgrade to the 2005 Minardi.
Probably not till 2006, but...
Again, bodes well (not) for OzJet.
They dont have to sell every seat on every flight though... 70-80% LF will get them enough to upgrade to the 2005 Minardi.
Probably not till 2006, but...
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gee, a sucessful Business man, and an Australian as well, wants to start up an airline here in OZ, that might do very well in its chosen niche field, giving more job for aussies, in the form of flight crew, cabin crew, maintainance, and all everyone here can say is negative and bad things!
Minardy, is Stoddards SMALLEST part of his business. and im sure will have NO impact on his Aussie Aviation business. (except promtional)
what ever happened to the Aussie spirit of supporting a mate, of helping out? everone is QF this, VB that nah nah nah blah blah , all negative i might add, and now there might be a decent alternative! but still you harp on.
just maybe there could be a little bit of truth behind Paul Phelan and his report on Australian Flying.
Oz DESERVES our full support!
Minardy, is Stoddards SMALLEST part of his business. and im sure will have NO impact on his Aussie Aviation business. (except promtional)
what ever happened to the Aussie spirit of supporting a mate, of helping out? everone is QF this, VB that nah nah nah blah blah , all negative i might add, and now there might be a decent alternative! but still you harp on.
just maybe there could be a little bit of truth behind Paul Phelan and his report on Australian Flying.
Oz DESERVES our full support!
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Have to agree with you Ultralights.
Whinging pilots seem to whinge when there are no jobs and whinge when a prospect appears on the horizon.
No one has forced you into avaition
Takes less energy for optimism than pessimissm.....
Go OZ thats all I'll say....
Whinging pilots seem to whinge when there are no jobs and whinge when a prospect appears on the horizon.
No one has forced you into avaition
Takes less energy for optimism than pessimissm.....
Go OZ thats all I'll say....
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How can you take this man seriously.
He trys to get the F1 mob to change the rules just for him using the great Aussie "fair go" BS , then whinges that there is a conspiracy and they are out to get him. he has known about the change since Sept and all the other teams are compliant.
The World Motor Racing organisation then issues a release saying that if an Australian Court is used to subvert their rules then Australia will never see another world class motor racing competition that comes under their jurisdiction. Good for Oz NOT.
He complains about not having enough sponsorship money then puts OzJet in the prime ad spot on his cars for several billion NON Ausises to see.
Seems to me the smart thing would have been to get someone who would pay real cash money for the spot which he could then go and spend on his cars or airline
, i.e.assuming there was somebody who wanted to pay for it.
Then I 'spose we can expect a similar "Aussie Battler" whinge when he has to jump through the same hoops as the local airlines.
He trys to get the F1 mob to change the rules just for him using the great Aussie "fair go" BS , then whinges that there is a conspiracy and they are out to get him.
he has known about the change since Sept and all the other teams are compliant.The World Motor Racing organisation then issues a release saying that if an Australian Court is used to subvert their rules then Australia will never see another world class motor racing competition that comes under their jurisdiction. Good for Oz NOT.
He complains about not having enough sponsorship money then puts OzJet in the prime ad spot on his cars for several billion NON Ausises to see.
Seems to me the smart thing would have been to get someone who would pay real cash money for the spot which he could then go and spend on his cars or airline
, i.e.assuming there was somebody who wanted to pay for it.Then I 'spose we can expect a similar "Aussie Battler" whinge when he has to jump through the same hoops as the local airlines.