Trans Tasman.Who is making Money?
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Jet man, sorry to rain on your Pacific Blue parade, but I can tell you that they have never, and will never carry top loads across the Tasman. I hear their loads on the radio in NZ!!
To even say that they outstrip QF and AirNZ and even EK and Freedom, is the biggest lot of Virgin b____t I've heard so far and the paper you read isn't worth wiping your bum with.
Mmmmm, not to mention Pacific Blue Yeild, 40 bums average at $179 per bum, yep, thats a winner!
To even say that they outstrip QF and AirNZ and even EK and Freedom, is the biggest lot of Virgin b____t I've heard so far and the paper you read isn't worth wiping your bum with.
Mmmmm, not to mention Pacific Blue Yeild, 40 bums average at $179 per bum, yep, thats a winner!
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I'm not going to suggest that anyone is doing well on the trans tasman stuff as a whole.
But i do know that Mel - chc aint too bad for Pac blue. I only have to log in at work and look at loads for the day to know it!
And yep i've seen low days, but since christmas i've been seeing some pretty high loads too....
and have seen full loads, eg no empties on flights!
But i dare say QF and others have seen those days too on some routes.
But i do know that Mel - chc aint too bad for Pac blue. I only have to log in at work and look at loads for the day to know it!
And yep i've seen low days, but since christmas i've been seeing some pretty high loads too....
and have seen full loads, eg no empties on flights!
But i dare say QF and others have seen those days too on some routes.
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based on the figures on the news following Ralph Norris little whinge EK load factor would be about 83% plus frieght as extra revenue.He blames EK for dumping seats but he has no problem adding capacity when new routes are opened up by other carriers or new entrants, mind you he is giving EK alot of publicity.
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Freedom are must be struggling with what looks like an over capacity of seats at this time of the year.We have hardly had a flight leave with more than 60 punters on board for the last 6 weeks( sometimes as low as 40) and not having freight to offset this it must be hurting.Wellington-Fiji no better with loads as low as 24 somedays.
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Dont know what your agenda is but you're full of horsesh*t
40 bums on Pacific Blue?
More like 140 on average - many flights are much closer to the 180 pax limit and have been for months.
Loads across the Tasman for Pac Blue are consistently high and increasing all the time -FACT
Pacific Blue is making fantastic headway against strong competition from ANZ and QF
Freedom can't be rated as a serious competitor - most of their loads are averaging around 40-60 punters. Bear in mind their fares generally start a bit higher than PB (closer to $220) but with almost 100 punters less on each aircraft the yield is much higher on PB
Service wise - no comparison - PB have a strong product - cheap fares, plus high service - the only thing missing is IFE but on a 2.5 hr breeze across the Tas thats not a major anyway.
So stop the begrudging ...
Dont know what your agenda is but you're full of horsesh*t
40 bums on Pacific Blue?
More like 140 on average - many flights are much closer to the 180 pax limit and have been for months.
Loads across the Tasman for Pac Blue are consistently high and increasing all the time -FACT
Pacific Blue is making fantastic headway against strong competition from ANZ and QF
Freedom can't be rated as a serious competitor - most of their loads are averaging around 40-60 punters. Bear in mind their fares generally start a bit higher than PB (closer to $220) but with almost 100 punters less on each aircraft the yield is much higher on PB
Service wise - no comparison - PB have a strong product - cheap fares, plus high service - the only thing missing is IFE but on a 2.5 hr breeze across the Tas thats not a major anyway.
So stop the begrudging ...
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AF1, A typical example of Virgin propaganda - the loads aren't that good, so stop wasting time, 140 pax average is a load of rubbish, absolute rubbish, and if your making so much headway, why are Pac Blue pulling out of Wellington-Sydney re poor loads? FACT
If Pac Blue have a such a strong product, why then are they not full out of Christchurch? FACT, get real. Another thing, look on the net, Pac Blue are the dearest the majority of the time FACT. The list goes on and on.
You say 2.5 hour breeze across the Tasman, what? do you get excellent tailwinds going both ways at those FL400's Pac Blue fly at cause they are so light!
Why don't you speak to their ops control, they'll tell you the truth, run along now.
Does the labotomy scar heal after a while when you join Virgin?
If Pac Blue have a such a strong product, why then are they not full out of Christchurch? FACT, get real. Another thing, look on the net, Pac Blue are the dearest the majority of the time FACT. The list goes on and on.
You say 2.5 hour breeze across the Tasman, what? do you get excellent tailwinds going both ways at those FL400's Pac Blue fly at cause they are so light!
Why don't you speak to their ops control, they'll tell you the truth, run along now.
Does the labotomy scar heal after a while when you join Virgin?
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PB has "high service"? Like, what service?
Isn't PB same as VB... Pay for everything including a cupful of cold water?
VHCU
Service wise - no comparison - PB have a strong product - cheap fares, plus high service
Isn't PB same as VB... Pay for everything including a cupful of cold water?
VHCU
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I love to knowwhich radio station gives out commercially sensitive info such as pax loads and do they state all carriers. If they do what do they say the other airlines are carrying, you haven't mentioned this.
I only ask because I am privy to the PB info and the figures show for the last 4 months very good load factors on all flights.
Added to this is the high connection rate of over 60% PB to VB and VB to PB which is nearly double Ansetts rate of around 32%.
Also the yield is determined by the cost which PB is lower than VB by virtue of NZ wage rates, crew compliment, etc. Don't fprget it is basically a medium halul domestic flight with lower terminal costs as the chardes are for only rated to the time used in coomon user terminals such as SYD i.e nothing like the $50+mil charges for SYD domestic.
The only thing I agree with is the dropping of WLG - stupid based on load factors and connector numbers.
I love to knowwhich radio station gives out commercially sensitive info such as pax loads and do they state all carriers. If they do what do they say the other airlines are carrying, you haven't mentioned this.
I only ask because I am privy to the PB info and the figures show for the last 4 months very good load factors on all flights.
Added to this is the high connection rate of over 60% PB to VB and VB to PB which is nearly double Ansetts rate of around 32%.
Also the yield is determined by the cost which PB is lower than VB by virtue of NZ wage rates, crew compliment, etc. Don't fprget it is basically a medium halul domestic flight with lower terminal costs as the chardes are for only rated to the time used in coomon user terminals such as SYD i.e nothing like the $50+mil charges for SYD domestic.
The only thing I agree with is the dropping of WLG - stupid based on load factors and connector numbers.
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HGW - In NZ the PIC is required to advise ground and TWR POB.
I imagine therefore, if you worked there, it would be fairly easy to gauge the pax loads of other carriers including EK; albeit without any consistency.
I imagine therefore, if you worked there, it would be fairly easy to gauge the pax loads of other carriers including EK; albeit without any consistency.
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I stand corrected on the radio station. By way of being the tower it would be impossible would it not for an individual to hear every call at evey port (WLG & CHC at least) on every day which is what you would have to do to quote the figures Pete does.
With good on carriage figures PB just has to break even to be viable something EK, SJ, etc do not have. Even codeshares make very little money and can cost in disrupts. You have to look at the whole picture. Something GD is looking at and that's why he is CEO of QF and not Pete.
I stand corrected on the radio station. By way of being the tower it would be impossible would it not for an individual to hear every call at evey port (WLG & CHC at least) on every day which is what you would have to do to quote the figures Pete does.
With good on carriage figures PB just has to break even to be viable something EK, SJ, etc do not have. Even codeshares make very little money and can cost in disrupts. You have to look at the whole picture. Something GD is looking at and that's why he is CEO of QF and not Pete.
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Anti Skid On thanks. Jeff Tracy is a good bloke to work for. He looks after the staff and pays above award wages and therefore gets better productivity out of us. Best of all, he doesn't make you pay for endorsments.
Pete. I once wanted to apply for GD's job to. Where did you get the application form from? They wouldn't send me one out.
Pete. I once wanted to apply for GD's job to. Where did you get the application form from? They wouldn't send me one out.
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I would love to know where the info regarding PB pulling out of SYD - WLG is coming from?
Along with the reported awful loads, because the poor loads sure aren't MEL - CHC.
And as regards the brainwashing, i'm sure not blind to faults in the VB / PB product, but i do see a deep hatred of VB coming through in this and other threads i've read from at least one individual!
Does anyone know what sort of a/c QF are operating from SYD and BNE to NZ?
Lately i've seen a mix operating from MEL, so some days must have good loads to warrant the larger a/c.
Along with the reported awful loads, because the poor loads sure aren't MEL - CHC.
And as regards the brainwashing, i'm sure not blind to faults in the VB / PB product, but i do see a deep hatred of VB coming through in this and other threads i've read from at least one individual!
Does anyone know what sort of a/c QF are operating from SYD and BNE to NZ?
Lately i've seen a mix operating from MEL, so some days must have good loads to warrant the larger a/c.
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In answer to your first question - from Pac Blue ops staff!
In answer to your last, B747, B767 and B737 (operated by Qantas Jetconnect) from BNE and MEL and WLG to SYD, MEL and BNE.
QF carry good loads every day to NZ milbud, and as for your comment about hatred of VB, well I'm sorry, but, yes, and I aint alone in that, so deal with it.
HGW, fact is and I'm sorry to hurt you, but PB do NO better than anyone else across the Tasman, they do worse in fact. They are not the saviours of the Tasman and they do not make money on it. They offer less service than the others and yet they charge the same fare, in alot of cases MORE.
Rumour has it BG may be getting the sack soon, so the outfit may become less of a PR crap machine and more of a consolidated airline.
In answer to your first question - from Pac Blue ops staff!
In answer to your last, B747, B767 and B737 (operated by Qantas Jetconnect) from BNE and MEL and WLG to SYD, MEL and BNE.
QF carry good loads every day to NZ milbud, and as for your comment about hatred of VB, well I'm sorry, but, yes, and I aint alone in that, so deal with it.
HGW, fact is and I'm sorry to hurt you, but PB do NO better than anyone else across the Tasman, they do worse in fact. They are not the saviours of the Tasman and they do not make money on it. They offer less service than the others and yet they charge the same fare, in alot of cases MORE.
Rumour has it BG may be getting the sack soon, so the outfit may become less of a PR crap machine and more of a consolidated airline.
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