Hand Baggage out of control ?
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Hand Baggage out of control ?
Having recently paxed on our of our domestic airlines, I was amazed at the amount of carry on baggage that people take onboard!
I accept that Laptops and handbags are commonplace, and even useful. Maybe even a SMALL carry-on bag with a jumper, water bottle, book, keys, phone. But that is about it!
WHY do people need a small suitcase, packed to overfull, as well as laptop and briefcase ????
What is CASA and / or the airlines doing about it? Surely it IS a safety issue ? Surely these aircraft may be going out overweight? What happens when an overhead locker pops open inflight, dropping 40kg of "ESSENTIAL" carry-on on someones head ?
Personally, I keep my keys, wallet on phone on my person, take out a book and a bottle of water and check EVERYTHING else in! For a two week holiday, it usually comes in at around 16kg TOTAL! .... mind you, the missus's comes in at about 22kg.
I accept that Laptops and handbags are commonplace, and even useful. Maybe even a SMALL carry-on bag with a jumper, water bottle, book, keys, phone. But that is about it!
WHY do people need a small suitcase, packed to overfull, as well as laptop and briefcase ????
What is CASA and / or the airlines doing about it? Surely it IS a safety issue ? Surely these aircraft may be going out overweight? What happens when an overhead locker pops open inflight, dropping 40kg of "ESSENTIAL" carry-on on someones head ?
Personally, I keep my keys, wallet on phone on my person, take out a book and a bottle of water and check EVERYTHING else in! For a two week holiday, it usually comes in at around 16kg TOTAL! .... mind you, the missus's comes in at about 22kg.
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cabin baggage is handy sometimes
Went to Japan two weeks ago and my baggage appeared 2 days after my arrival.
A change of clothes and toiletries came in very handy I can tell you!! ( You will be happy to know that my cabin baggage was weighed and checked prior to departure).
A change of clothes and toiletries came in very handy I can tell you!! ( You will be happy to know that my cabin baggage was weighed and checked prior to departure).
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Some people don't like to wait at the carousel for the baggage-snatchers to finish rummaging through their kit. so they drag the whole fcukin lot on-board and occupy an entire OH locker with it.
This is allowed as they are usually "important".
This is allowed as they are usually "important".
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I think the Chief was referring to domestic carry on...
My only gripe, as one who takes very little onboard domestically, is when some plonker wanders down from up the front & manhandles a behemouth of a bag into the locker above me. No
way pal! I've seen the result of a rough (CO) landing & a dozen stubbies falling onto a colleagues head! (Admittedly, that was funny!)
My only gripe, as one who takes very little onboard domestically, is when some plonker wanders down from up the front & manhandles a behemouth of a bag into the locker above me. No
way pal! I've seen the result of a rough (CO) landing & a dozen stubbies falling onto a colleagues head! (Admittedly, that was funny!)
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It's time to stop bashing the cabin crew and turn our eyes on the loaders, Go North is right they have no respect for someone elses luggage, who cares what's inside.
There have also been occassions when I have arrived Syd/ Mel or Mel/ Syd and had to wait almost as long as it took to travel there for my bags to come out.
Thankyou Diving Duck, I have made the corriction, it's the sexth time I have dene it this year.
There have also been occassions when I have arrived Syd/ Mel or Mel/ Syd and had to wait almost as long as it took to travel there for my bags to come out.
Thankyou Diving Duck, I have made the corriction, it's the sexth time I have dene it this year.
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Hey Orville,
I've looked everywhere and still can't find what liggage is?
Everyone knows that for bagsnatchers, "fragile" means toss it underarm, everything else goes overarm!
Anyone who thinks I'm joking has never watched them in action.
I've looked everywhere and still can't find what liggage is?
Everyone knows that for bagsnatchers, "fragile" means toss it underarm, everything else goes overarm!
Anyone who thinks I'm joking has never watched them in action.
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You have always had the same problems with baggage handlers, I think in recent years (post 9/11), it is more because a lot of pax take all their things as cabin baggage to avoid the long check in snake lines.
It makes for a much easier check in if you only have cabin baggage.
It makes for a much easier check in if you only have cabin baggage.
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The meaning of Liggage
If you've ever been to NZ, or spoken to one of the sheep-enjoyers, you should know that "liggage" is that stuff we occasionally put under the floor for the SLF because they like to find it on the rotary damage system several hours after arrival.
Some SLF eschew this service in favour of dragging their liggage all the way down the aisle themselves, then finding other SLF beat them to the space, so none of it fits any more, at which point Purser Lips will hiss at them that it's back under the floor with that, probably on anther flight sometime next week.
If you think curry-on liggage is a problem in Oz, then try flying Z-class domestic in the US, where obese septics carry on their refrigerators, wardrobes and who knows what in those monstrous 18-wheeler "Rollaboards", probably their rental cars and inflatable condominiums.
Rather be in Pakistan helping the toothless peasants carry on their goats and chickens, thanks. At least you can sit on them if the seats are all occupied.
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If you've ever been to NZ, or spoken to one of the sheep-enjoyers, you should know that "liggage" is that stuff we occasionally put under the floor for the SLF because they like to find it on the rotary damage system several hours after arrival.
Some SLF eschew this service in favour of dragging their liggage all the way down the aisle themselves, then finding other SLF beat them to the space, so none of it fits any more, at which point Purser Lips will hiss at them that it's back under the floor with that, probably on anther flight sometime next week.
If you think curry-on liggage is a problem in Oz, then try flying Z-class domestic in the US, where obese septics carry on their refrigerators, wardrobes and who knows what in those monstrous 18-wheeler "Rollaboards", probably their rental cars and inflatable condominiums.
Rather be in Pakistan helping the toothless peasants carry on their goats and chickens, thanks. At least you can sit on them if the seats are all occupied.
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A mate and I recently travelled to Canberra during my last holidays (on DJ, of COURSE!), to go over the War Memorial .
So, he rocks upo at the airport with a RUDDY big knapsack - I mean the type you see German back-packers with. And it was FULL. Asked if he was checking it in. Nope... He asked if I had checked my bag in, as all I had was a SMALL pack over my shoulder - about the size of one of those school kid's ones.
Nope, I had my stuff I needed in the pack - 2 changes of clothes, a razor, toothbrush and paste, deodorant, and camera. It was all I needed.
He had 4 changes (for a 2 day stay is interesting...), a six pack of VB (security loved that), 4 pairs of shoes, a full cleaning kit yada yada yada... bloody thing BARELY fit the locker.
I could have put mine in the seat pocket in front of me...
Some people are just plain ODD when they travel. I go bare essentials, and if need be, buy it when you get there and leave it behind if not valuable!
So, he rocks upo at the airport with a RUDDY big knapsack - I mean the type you see German back-packers with. And it was FULL. Asked if he was checking it in. Nope... He asked if I had checked my bag in, as all I had was a SMALL pack over my shoulder - about the size of one of those school kid's ones.
Nope, I had my stuff I needed in the pack - 2 changes of clothes, a razor, toothbrush and paste, deodorant, and camera. It was all I needed.
He had 4 changes (for a 2 day stay is interesting...), a six pack of VB (security loved that), 4 pairs of shoes, a full cleaning kit yada yada yada... bloody thing BARELY fit the locker.
I could have put mine in the seat pocket in front of me...
Some people are just plain ODD when they travel. I go bare essentials, and if need be, buy it when you get there and leave it behind if not valuable!
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If you've ever been to NZ, or spoken to one of the sheep-enjoyers, you should know that "liggage" is that stuff we occasionally put under the floor for the SLF because they like to find it on the rotary damage system several hours after arrival.
Only just seen this one as have been in parts foreign.
I too am continually amazed at what some pax manage to carry onto scheduled and proceed to stuff into the overhead lockers. However, I recently travelled Northwest on a domestic flight out of Detroit where it was announced at the gate that any baggage with wheels would have to be in the hold. About time too, I thought and chuckled (inwardly) at the general discontent round about.
Mind you, one large gentleman carrying what turned out to be a television camera about the size of a machine gun got away with said item occupying even its own aisle seat ... presumably because it did not have wheels !
Is this a new sensible ruling in the making ? Please say yes someone.
I too am continually amazed at what some pax manage to carry onto scheduled and proceed to stuff into the overhead lockers. However, I recently travelled Northwest on a domestic flight out of Detroit where it was announced at the gate that any baggage with wheels would have to be in the hold. About time too, I thought and chuckled (inwardly) at the general discontent round about.
Mind you, one large gentleman carrying what turned out to be a television camera about the size of a machine gun got away with said item occupying even its own aisle seat ... presumably because it did not have wheels !
Is this a new sensible ruling in the making ? Please say yes someone.
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Go North et al,
Agree that some guys are a bit rough in the way that the handle baggage. What needs to be remembered though is that some pax squeeze a fair bit into their luggage and the weight is sometimes beyond the pale. This puts the Loaders at risk and that is one of the reasons why they do not lift it for any longer than necessary. Yes it may be thumped around as a result. However, the purpose of a suitcase is to protect the contents. Fragile items, like medicines and valuables etc, should not be packed in them.
Agree that some guys are a bit rough in the way that the handle baggage. What needs to be remembered though is that some pax squeeze a fair bit into their luggage and the weight is sometimes beyond the pale. This puts the Loaders at risk and that is one of the reasons why they do not lift it for any longer than necessary. Yes it may be thumped around as a result. However, the purpose of a suitcase is to protect the contents. Fragile items, like medicines and valuables etc, should not be packed in them.
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No baggage "with wheels" as carry-on?
You've gotta be kidding! Most of the kids in Grade 1 these days have backpacks with built-in handles and H-frames with wheels at the bottom so they don't have to hoik bags onto their backs that weigh as much as they do!
Most luggage designs that I've seen in luggage shops (you know, the one where you can get the whole matching set from the "makeup case" all the way up to "refrigerator crate" size) specifically design the hand-luggage size bags with the handles and wheels at the bottom.
You've gotta be kidding! Most of the kids in Grade 1 these days have backpacks with built-in handles and H-frames with wheels at the bottom so they don't have to hoik bags onto their backs that weigh as much as they do!
Most luggage designs that I've seen in luggage shops (you know, the one where you can get the whole matching set from the "makeup case" all the way up to "refrigerator crate" size) specifically design the hand-luggage size bags with the handles and wheels at the bottom.
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In some ways I feel the airlines haven't helped their cause. They published the accepted maximum length, breadth and width of a carry-on suitcase. Lo and behold, the suitcase manufacturers built precisely to size and it is now a major selling point to have a bag that meets carry-on requirements. Almost everyone has one. And to make matters worse, (which is quite understandable I might add) airlines are stuffing as many people as they can on flights so there seems to be less and less room underneath the seat in front and the adjacent seat is inevitably occupied. International flights are longer than they used to be as well and pax are bringing on a range of things to keep occupied - especially if they have kids. Stories about thefts from checked luggage don't help either.
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CALLY KINGS
If anyone out there remembers then they'll know EXACTLY who we are and just how dogmatic we were when it came to hand luggage.
Me and a former colleague were Manch check-in chicks way back when and did all the usual "you can't take that on" and "that's WAY overlimits"... anyone who disagreed was immediately marched off to the out-of-gauge!
Woe be tied anyone who was subsequently seen at the gate, after we'd mentally machine-gunned them down over the size/weight/colour/state of their hand luggage - and especially the Russians, in fact, no, it was the Vnokova that was the worst... trying to take tellies and washers on as HAND luggage... I arsk yer!
We always did best with 393-seat Tristars... we were called the Cally Kings (bit of a hint of an operator there maybe?!?) Nobody got away from us, not when it was OUR flight. And after a fashion I guess some people listened... they certainly didn't like having their hand luggage HOLD luggaged.
Jesting aside, the practice was deadly serious for most of the reasons already promulgated on this thread.
It's high time the hand luggage thing was addressed and sorted... there is NO GOOD REASON - except within reason - to have hand luggage with you.
I know that comment's bound to rack SOMEBODY off, but anyone who's tried late-trimming pax when it's all messed up with 10 minutes to run and a slot to keep will know precisely where I'm coming from.
Me and a former colleague were Manch check-in chicks way back when and did all the usual "you can't take that on" and "that's WAY overlimits"... anyone who disagreed was immediately marched off to the out-of-gauge!
Woe be tied anyone who was subsequently seen at the gate, after we'd mentally machine-gunned them down over the size/weight/colour/state of their hand luggage - and especially the Russians, in fact, no, it was the Vnokova that was the worst... trying to take tellies and washers on as HAND luggage... I arsk yer!
We always did best with 393-seat Tristars... we were called the Cally Kings (bit of a hint of an operator there maybe?!?) Nobody got away from us, not when it was OUR flight. And after a fashion I guess some people listened... they certainly didn't like having their hand luggage HOLD luggaged.
Jesting aside, the practice was deadly serious for most of the reasons already promulgated on this thread.
It's high time the hand luggage thing was addressed and sorted... there is NO GOOD REASON - except within reason - to have hand luggage with you.
I know that comment's bound to rack SOMEBODY off, but anyone who's tried late-trimming pax when it's all messed up with 10 minutes to run and a slot to keep will know precisely where I'm coming from.