Qantas on prowl for a 'hub-buster'
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Qantas on prowl for a 'hub-buster'
Fri "The Australian"
Qantas on prowl for a 'hub-buster'
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
February 18, 2005
QANTAS confirmed yesterday it was on the look-out for "hub-busting" aircraft that could include the newly rolled-out 777-200LR.
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Qantas on prowl for a 'hub-buster'
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
February 18, 2005
QANTAS confirmed yesterday it was on the look-out for "hub-busting" aircraft that could include the newly rolled-out 777-200LR.
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Recently met an Air France B777 Captain and had dinner with him recently.
This guy was in raptures about the new B777 which Air France was the launch customer for at the time.
We couldnt shut him up about how good this new B777 was and how it performed about 2% better than the advertised specs.
According to this guy if it wasnt for politics Air France would have more Boeings and less Airbuses!
Not my opinion, but that of an Air France Captain with some 30 years in the airline.
This guy was in raptures about the new B777 which Air France was the launch customer for at the time.
We couldnt shut him up about how good this new B777 was and how it performed about 2% better than the advertised specs.
According to this guy if it wasnt for politics Air France would have more Boeings and less Airbuses!
Not my opinion, but that of an Air France Captain with some 30 years in the airline.
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However AirBUS is government sponsored and always will be.
No matter what Boeing comes up with AIRBUS will match it with their next equivalant types and then make it 20% less to buy. How can poor old Boeing compete with this? Boeing have been losing more and more market share every year for the last 5 now.
We all prefer Boeing products (well most seem too) but I always think how will they go in the next 10 to 15 years as the current a/c starting heading towards the end of their life..
IF you were an accountant WHY would you choose boeing when you could choose a type where quite often SIMs will be chucked in for free, and cost so much less to buy. Add to that the common rating issue (something I think Boeing should have done years ago) and if you are an airline with more than one type than you just wouldnt pick them?.....would you?
Purely from an ecconomics point of view. Qantas are getting the A380, have the A330, plus the 320 with scarestar, you have to wonder could the day ever arise when its an all Airbus fleet once the boeings finish their time. Another way for the bookkeepers to save a few more bucks?.....
No matter what Boeing comes up with AIRBUS will match it with their next equivalant types and then make it 20% less to buy. How can poor old Boeing compete with this? Boeing have been losing more and more market share every year for the last 5 now.
We all prefer Boeing products (well most seem too) but I always think how will they go in the next 10 to 15 years as the current a/c starting heading towards the end of their life..
IF you were an accountant WHY would you choose boeing when you could choose a type where quite often SIMs will be chucked in for free, and cost so much less to buy. Add to that the common rating issue (something I think Boeing should have done years ago) and if you are an airline with more than one type than you just wouldnt pick them?.....would you?
Purely from an ecconomics point of view. Qantas are getting the A380, have the A330, plus the 320 with scarestar, you have to wonder could the day ever arise when its an all Airbus fleet once the boeings finish their time. Another way for the bookkeepers to save a few more bucks?.....
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From what I can gather, QF's initial experiance with the A330 has not been the best.
Perhaps the bean counters will look into why the French national airline has B777s on long haul routes, or why a successful airline like SIA replaced it's A340s and now B747s with B777s.
Perhaps they should take all of this into consideration or perhaps I'm just an optimist!
Perhaps the bean counters will look into why the French national airline has B777s on long haul routes, or why a successful airline like SIA replaced it's A340s and now B747s with B777s.
Perhaps they should take all of this into consideration or perhaps I'm just an optimist!
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Government involvement financially usually means Government involvement in other areas such as design.
Just like the VC10 and a few other european aircraft that were buggered by government intervention, the same could well be the downfall for Airbus.
My money is on the A380 sealing the fate.
K
Just like the VC10 and a few other european aircraft that were buggered by government intervention, the same could well be the downfall for Airbus.
My money is on the A380 sealing the fate.
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if my gut feelings are reliable, the A380 will have a lot of trouble in the wider market, but it will find a small nieche (or however you spell that damn word)
me thinks accountants buying planes dont tend to look at longer term operating cost, if its cheaper to buy, = bigger bonus "This Year"
composite aircraft are a lot more expensive to repair!.
me thinks accountants buying planes dont tend to look at longer term operating cost, if its cheaper to buy, = bigger bonus "This Year"
composite aircraft are a lot more expensive to repair!.
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its niche I believe.
I dont think the US Govt would let Boeing fall over just as the French Govt wont let Airbus fail. Could you imagine the uproar in the US if Airforce One was a French built aircraft???
I dont think the US Govt would let Boeing fall over just as the French Govt wont let Airbus fail. Could you imagine the uproar in the US if Airforce One was a French built aircraft???
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The A380 will become a reality but in my opinion it may be a few years ahead of its time in terms of size and capacity.
Put the 7E7 type engines on her and you will have a real goer.
Singapore Airlines wants to be operating the A380 and B777 only within 5 years or so.
Cathay want to get rid of their B747's and operate B777's in their place.
They reackon they'll save billions and they're correct.
Still will be a nice freighter market for the good ol B744's.
Makes sense when you think about it.
Put the 7E7 type engines on her and you will have a real goer.
Singapore Airlines wants to be operating the A380 and B777 only within 5 years or so.
Cathay want to get rid of their B747's and operate B777's in their place.
They reackon they'll save billions and they're correct.
Still will be a nice freighter market for the good ol B744's.
Makes sense when you think about it.
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That is no exaggeration my friend! The French must spend thousands of hours inventing all sorts of little things that can go wrong.
A colleague recently spotted (ousted) a guy he had seen on more than one occasion travelling on the A330 and said "you work for Rockwell, don't you?" The reaction was what you would expect from CIA agent who'd just had their identity revealed!
Apparently so many of the individual TV screens have been going u/s onboard they send a Rockwell dude on some flights to try and rectify any problems in-flight.
Another ppruner in some other post mentioned that sickies sky-rocket for f/a's when they find out they're rostered on an A330. Must be a mal a la tete for crewing.
MB
From what I can gather, QF's initial experiance with the A330 has not been the best.
A colleague recently spotted (ousted) a guy he had seen on more than one occasion travelling on the A330 and said "you work for Rockwell, don't you?" The reaction was what you would expect from CIA agent who'd just had their identity revealed!
Apparently so many of the individual TV screens have been going u/s onboard they send a Rockwell dude on some flights to try and rectify any problems in-flight.
Another ppruner in some other post mentioned that sickies sky-rocket for f/a's when they find out they're rostered on an A330. Must be a mal a la tete for crewing.
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I love it when the IFE goes on the blink three quarters though the movie.
Eventually (sometimes) someone is able to get it going again and the punters have to start watching the thing from scratch. Invariably they get to the crunch bit again and its time to turn the thing off. Ballistic according to the CC.
U/S reading lights are commonplace too. Add that to the fact QF stuffed up by having to allocate the big petrol tank 330 to domestic and you would have to say its a stuff up all round. Can you imagine the incompetence of management in this? Yet they still pay themselves as if they are doing a good job.
Eventually (sometimes) someone is able to get it going again and the punters have to start watching the thing from scratch. Invariably they get to the crunch bit again and its time to turn the thing off. Ballistic according to the CC.
U/S reading lights are commonplace too. Add that to the fact QF stuffed up by having to allocate the big petrol tank 330 to domestic and you would have to say its a stuff up all round. Can you imagine the incompetence of management in this? Yet they still pay themselves as if they are doing a good job.
Do you girls honestly believe all this PPL-type drivvel you write?
I recall similar ill-informed nonsense about newfangled crap Boeings not being as good as the fine British Comet.
Firstly an Airbus is not 'French'.
Secondly most Airlines make handsome operating profits with the 330's as they did previously with 767's. An A330 will actually carry equivalent or more freight (by volume) than a 747, hence the accountants love the damn thing.
Thirdly the last thing QF need is as somebody pointed out, yet ANOTHER type. Ansett made that stupid mistake.
QF Int'l need 380's for LAX & LHR, 747s for Japan, 330's/340's for regional/ULH respectively and that's it. Dom need a few old 767's and lots of 737's and that it...no more.
Finally the 777 is a fine aircraft BUT across the Pacific, no thanks. 1 engine fails and the last (potentially also suspect) remaining engine is at MCT for up to 3 hours. Not a good idea unless you are Ian Thorpe.
I recall similar ill-informed nonsense about newfangled crap Boeings not being as good as the fine British Comet.
Firstly an Airbus is not 'French'.
Secondly most Airlines make handsome operating profits with the 330's as they did previously with 767's. An A330 will actually carry equivalent or more freight (by volume) than a 747, hence the accountants love the damn thing.
Thirdly the last thing QF need is as somebody pointed out, yet ANOTHER type. Ansett made that stupid mistake.
QF Int'l need 380's for LAX & LHR, 747s for Japan, 330's/340's for regional/ULH respectively and that's it. Dom need a few old 767's and lots of 737's and that it...no more.
Finally the 777 is a fine aircraft BUT across the Pacific, no thanks. 1 engine fails and the last (potentially also suspect) remaining engine is at MCT for up to 3 hours. Not a good idea unless you are Ian Thorpe.
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An A330 will actually carry equivalent or more freight (by volume) than a 747
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Actually no he isn’t. The A330-300 does carry more freight than a B744. The B777 though carries slightly more than an A330. And yes where I work we operate all these types plus the A340.
Actually no he isn’t. The A330-300 does carry more freight than a B744. The B777 though carries slightly more than an A330. And yes where I work we operate all these types plus the A340.
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We actually don’t have a serviceability or reliability problem with the A330. Some of them are over ten years old and performing like champions. Currently it is more reliable than our B744. Now if you ask me about the A340-600 that is a different story. Biggest heap of ****e that Airboos have ever produced. Thank god we haven’t been stupid enough to buy the A380. If it has the same track record as the A340-600 it will send those airlines that have purchased it broke.
As for the brake cooling. It isn’t really a problem. If your turn around is one hour you can have brake temperatures of 450 deg C on arrival and still dispatch with temps well below 300 deg C. You can even achieve this without the aid of cooling fans. Personally it is rare for me to see brakes above 450 deg C.
We actually don’t have a serviceability or reliability problem with the A330. Some of them are over ten years old and performing like champions. Currently it is more reliable than our B744. Now if you ask me about the A340-600 that is a different story. Biggest heap of ****e that Airboos have ever produced. Thank god we haven’t been stupid enough to buy the A380. If it has the same track record as the A340-600 it will send those airlines that have purchased it broke.
As for the brake cooling. It isn’t really a problem. If your turn around is one hour you can have brake temperatures of 450 deg C on arrival and still dispatch with temps well below 300 deg C. You can even achieve this without the aid of cooling fans. Personally it is rare for me to see brakes above 450 deg C.