ALAEA defeated by its own members.
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members wonder why its affectionately known as the spinless jelly fish association.
And the spineless ones have decided to sell the clauses the airline wants in the agreement yet again. A senior ALAEA official has been running around Syd claiming that the overtime banking inclusion in the EBA would be a good thing to "give them" and in return they may give us 3%.
A meeting of phase members will take place on the 22nd of this month that will vote on the acceptance to allow this clause to be included. The ALAEA will be recommending members accept it and if they don't the doors will be locked until they do. The senior official who was discussing the matter summed up his reasons why it should be accepted to some of his Line Maint workmates - "who cares it doesn't affect us". I'll take a punt and say they won't show their faces in Melbourne HM to sell the clause.
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Word is that some spineless union officials around the network are spreading rumour and innuendo that Melbourne members are GUTLESS and not prepared to fight for the LAMEless tarmac issue.
ALso trying to sell the idea that no LAME transits BELONG in the EBA!!! This is strange -haven't the assn been against the idea for the past 2 years? Why the change of heart? Maybe the big B instructed them this is the best course of action.
Stand strong gents, we await the reaction of the exec on the 9th, which way will they go?
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ALso trying to sell the idea that no LAME transits BELONG in the EBA!!! This is strange -haven't the assn been against the idea for the past 2 years? Why the change of heart? Maybe the big B instructed them this is the best course of action.
Stand strong gents, we await the reaction of the exec on the 9th, which way will they go?
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Perhaps it could be hailed an industrial awakening, but isnt it time we took into account the current situation we're in and realise that a 3% payrise is NOT a given?
People enjoy getting up on their soap box and giving sermon to whoever will listen, ranting on about the worth of the humble Engineer. Unfortunately the managers in the aviation industry today dont hold us in such high esteem.
The bans currently in place are proving detrimental to maintaining or growing the work that keeps engineers in a job, and is promoting a thinking within management circles about how to control such rogue actions. Naturally thoughts turn to outsourcing of maintenance, and its no secret out there that Corrigan wants to set up a 'joint' maintenance facility for Virgin and......!
Give the lead back to our union and let them fight out the issues in a thought out, planned manner. We undermine their power and plans by taking matters into our own hands, which may inevitably prove disastorous for us all.
People enjoy getting up on their soap box and giving sermon to whoever will listen, ranting on about the worth of the humble Engineer. Unfortunately the managers in the aviation industry today dont hold us in such high esteem.
The bans currently in place are proving detrimental to maintaining or growing the work that keeps engineers in a job, and is promoting a thinking within management circles about how to control such rogue actions. Naturally thoughts turn to outsourcing of maintenance, and its no secret out there that Corrigan wants to set up a 'joint' maintenance facility for Virgin and......!
Give the lead back to our union and let them fight out the issues in a thought out, planned manner. We undermine their power and plans by taking matters into our own hands, which may inevitably prove disastorous for us all.
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Yeah good one MOC,
I bet you are a Northern boy who jumps when told too.
Just like the Assn responds to motions put by the members, just like they return phone calls of our reps. One of our guys waited for over a week for a response and only then it took him to contact them for a response.
The incompetence must stop. The members have stood up and taken control of THEIR assn. Just await the response on the 9th.
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I bet you are a Northern boy who jumps when told too.
Just like the Assn responds to motions put by the members, just like they return phone calls of our reps. One of our guys waited for over a week for a response and only then it took him to contact them for a response.
The incompetence must stop. The members have stood up and taken control of THEIR assn. Just await the response on the 9th.
BV
I am afraid all this silliness is not going to stop until there is a big smoking hole in the ground. QF and the ALEA board seem to believe safety is a "given".
I don't think it is. I had to read another coroners report yesterday.
I don't think it is. I had to read another coroners report yesterday.
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As the O/T bans take effect and Bruce ponders his future outside QF management (I'm sure were all going to miss him!), revelations are surfacing from SYD that 2 guys have been 'forced' to make themselves available for O/T by none other than the man himself.
One has begrudgingly done so, the other with illusions of what may be when all this blows over and Bruce looks after him.
SMc, you're too close to the fire and will inevitably get burnt. Be it from your work mates or management when your job is gone.
You side with the Devil, no matter how much you pay, there's no happy ending.
One has begrudgingly done so, the other with illusions of what may be when all this blows over and Bruce looks after him.
SMc, you're too close to the fire and will inevitably get burnt. Be it from your work mates or management when your job is gone.
You side with the Devil, no matter how much you pay, there's no happy ending.
C172 Captain - not, just a harmless recreational flyer.
Coronial reports? Simple, I happen to have an interest in yacht racing, two friends have drowned in the last three years and the Marine Board, at the coroners suggestion, is taking renewed interest in safety measures.
Apart from the content of the reports, it is very instructive to read and understand the simple questions coroners ask and the often tragically simple reasons why people get killed.
Here is a link. There is a tragic aviation related report there as well.
http://www.coronerscourt.vic.gov.au/...+Findings~&3=~
Coronial reports? Simple, I happen to have an interest in yacht racing, two friends have drowned in the last three years and the Marine Board, at the coroners suggestion, is taking renewed interest in safety measures.
Apart from the content of the reports, it is very instructive to read and understand the simple questions coroners ask and the often tragically simple reasons why people get killed.
Here is a link. There is a tragic aviation related report there as well.
http://www.coronerscourt.vic.gov.au/...+Findings~&3=~
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Have just read theminutes from the IRC hearing that were strategically placed on lunchroom table. Faxed from interstate I believe.
Congrats to assn industrial (CR) who tried to sell members down the river. Suggesting to comissioner that upset members could contact the office at Bexley and voice their concerns.
YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
When members have to go to the IRC to voice their discontenet-something is WRONG. Keep going boys you have 18 months max to go then you will knocking on qfdoor for a clerks job.
The countdown has begun
BV.
PS Believethe Assn website forum is flourishing with all the exec boys posting.Great stuff. No one else contributing though. Fear of retribution??
Congrats to assn industrial (CR) who tried to sell members down the river. Suggesting to comissioner that upset members could contact the office at Bexley and voice their concerns.
YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
When members have to go to the IRC to voice their discontenet-something is WRONG. Keep going boys you have 18 months max to go then you will knocking on qfdoor for a clerks job.
The countdown has begun
BV.
PS Believethe Assn website forum is flourishing with all the exec boys posting.Great stuff. No one else contributing though. Fear of retribution??
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I read one of the latest notices from our Union Sectretary, and he seems pissed that their call for members to continue to do preflights, as a form of industrial action was squashed by members appealling to the commission.
So what does the commissioner say STATUS QUO effectively giving the same result but with out industrial action. Who is smarter those who take us into industrial action or those that use the tools that are available to strengthen our cause.
I applaud those who have taken up this fight and wish them every success. As we speak their numbers grow.
"It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."- Robert F. Kennedy
So what does the commissioner say STATUS QUO effectively giving the same result but with out industrial action. Who is smarter those who take us into industrial action or those that use the tools that are available to strengthen our cause.
I applaud those who have taken up this fight and wish them every success. As we speak their numbers grow.
"It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."- Robert F. Kennedy
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vorsa, as in everything context is all.
In your quotation Robert F. Kennedy
is speaking to young people at The University of Capetown,South Africa
on June 6, 1966. The "injustice" he spoke of is not just the introduction of a new work practice.
He also said in that address:
"There is," said an Italian philosopher, "nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things." Yet this is the measure of the task of your generation, and the road is strewn with many dangers.
In your quotation Robert F. Kennedy
is speaking to young people at The University of Capetown,South Africa
on June 6, 1966. The "injustice" he spoke of is not just the introduction of a new work practice.
He also said in that address:
"There is," said an Italian philosopher, "nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things." Yet this is the measure of the task of your generation, and the road is strewn with many dangers.
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My reason for using the quote was to show that it starts with the act of one man who believes he can make a difference and through the strength in numbers of those who believe in him can change really be made.
Another Quote from that same speech is
" Few will have the greatness to bend history; but each of us can work to change a small portion of the events, and in the total of all these acts will be written the history of this generation."
Robert F. Kennedy
Another Quote from that same speech is
" Few will have the greatness to bend history; but each of us can work to change a small portion of the events, and in the total of all these acts will be written the history of this generation."
Robert F. Kennedy
