Qantas screws more employees.
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Kanga,
I can't say for sure, but I think the media might actually come out on the side of the LAME's on this one. Even if the government/CASA were to support QF and allow them to bring in LAME's from third world countries I think you would find the media would be onto them about this. They seem to enjoy playing up any sort of potential aviation disaster (think about how many times you've seen go-arounds discussed as major incidents).
Get some LAME's in from an African nation, and watch how we get to see about the five most recent airline crashes from that nation on A Current Affair or Today Tonight. We can watch Geoff Dixon defending them by saying that CASA has approved them for working here, and that clearly shows that they're safe. I think this would end bad in the media for QF.
I can't say for sure, but I think the media might actually come out on the side of the LAME's on this one. Even if the government/CASA were to support QF and allow them to bring in LAME's from third world countries I think you would find the media would be onto them about this. They seem to enjoy playing up any sort of potential aviation disaster (think about how many times you've seen go-arounds discussed as major incidents).
Get some LAME's in from an African nation, and watch how we get to see about the five most recent airline crashes from that nation on A Current Affair or Today Tonight. We can watch Geoff Dixon defending them by saying that CASA has approved them for working here, and that clearly shows that they're safe. I think this would end bad in the media for QF.
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Hmm, with James Packer on the QF board, just who do you really think the media will be supporting?
When Margaret Jackson described Packer as "a fine young man who brings a lot to the board" (or something like that), what exactly do you think she meant? He hardly brought business acumen, that's for sure - he brought an ability to control the press.....
When Margaret Jackson described Packer as "a fine young man who brings a lot to the board" (or something like that), what exactly do you think she meant? He hardly brought business acumen, that's for sure - he brought an ability to control the press.....
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Ron and Edna (Just which one are you, anyway?
), PBL doesn't own all of the media. A pretty fair proportion, yes, but not all.
For this reason he can't really go too far in any spin against striking Qantas Employees. The reason for this is that they undermine their own reporting, their reasons will become transparent, and PBL is worth much more to him than Qantas....
), PBL doesn't own all of the media. A pretty fair proportion, yes, but not all. For this reason he can't really go too far in any spin against striking Qantas Employees. The reason for this is that they undermine their own reporting, their reasons will become transparent, and PBL is worth much more to him than Qantas....
If Geoff Dixon is so fond of out sourcing, why not out source his job and that of the board of directors. In India there are millions of highly qualified people, some of which must be capable of running an airline.
It could be done at a fraction of the present cost of running the company; and why not shift the whole head office to India and save even more ? As well we could have Thai flight attendants ,Filippino pilots and Indonesian engineers. Register the aircraft under some flag of convenience and save even more.
Soon the only thing Australian about QANTAS will be the roo on the tail.
It could be done at a fraction of the present cost of running the company; and why not shift the whole head office to India and save even more ? As well we could have Thai flight attendants ,Filippino pilots and Indonesian engineers. Register the aircraft under some flag of convenience and save even more.
Soon the only thing Australian about QANTAS will be the roo on the tail.
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Qantas Screws its employees.
It is true that there are formidable forces aligned with the company mainly an anti-worker Government in Canberra and Packer the little comfortable with his board seat. But this battle has to be fought and won for the sake of all QF workers. And it has to be won soon. After mid year the Government will have a total majority in both houses in Canberra and this is a Government that listens to big business and what they want. Some of the items on the list will be Long Service Leave (few other countries have it), Shift Loading, Superannuation ( QF dosen't want to pay in) etc etc etc.
Of course the media will be a problem, the company realised this a long time ago and went on the vanguard by getting little Pee Pee Packer on the board. So now not only do you have to deal with QF Managment but also with PBL and all there assets. But this problem is not insuperable and with good quality leadership from the union the good fight can and should be won.
The problem is now of leadership and this is where there is problems. The upper echelon from Bexley are without a doubt incompetent and badly tainted by the stink of corruption. They are far to close to QF managment and are only worried by the number of members ( more member, more fees=larger pay packets) and not the actual members them selves.
Whatever happens in the future this is important for all QF staff, Pilots, FAs etc etc unless we all want to be working for substandard wages with zero conditions.
Of course the media will be a problem, the company realised this a long time ago and went on the vanguard by getting little Pee Pee Packer on the board. So now not only do you have to deal with QF Managment but also with PBL and all there assets. But this problem is not insuperable and with good quality leadership from the union the good fight can and should be won.
The problem is now of leadership and this is where there is problems. The upper echelon from Bexley are without a doubt incompetent and badly tainted by the stink of corruption. They are far to close to QF managment and are only worried by the number of members ( more member, more fees=larger pay packets) and not the actual members them selves.
Whatever happens in the future this is important for all QF staff, Pilots, FAs etc etc unless we all want to be working for substandard wages with zero conditions.
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No airline has ever saved itself into profitability through employee wage cuts. Fact.
If an airline wants to be profitable, it needs to examine all the areas of its' operation and look into the long term. Looking to the employees constantly is lazy management.
As stated elsewhere in this forum, bit much to ask for more cuts from employees when the board are awarding themselves bonuses upon more bonuses.
Pigs at the trough anyone?
If an airline wants to be profitable, it needs to examine all the areas of its' operation and look into the long term. Looking to the employees constantly is lazy management.
As stated elsewhere in this forum, bit much to ask for more cuts from employees when the board are awarding themselves bonuses upon more bonuses.
Pigs at the trough anyone?
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Last night a B744 destined for Singapore was grounded in MEL for various reasons, the main being a Cabin Interphone problem.
400 disgruntled passengers sitting in the terminal waiting for the aircraft to be fixed. No hotels for the pax and no Engineers to fix the problem.
Last I heard another B744 was being despatched from SYD to take up the slack and the grounded B744 was required in SYD today at 1000 hrs to operate revunue sevices. Still no Engineers to fix it though.
I hope the Engineers involved have covered themselves impecably. No doubt QF management will see this as 'industrial action' and will want answers as to why this delay was incurred.
My prediction is they will be stood down (with pay) pending a full investigation.
400 disgruntled passengers sitting in the terminal waiting for the aircraft to be fixed. No hotels for the pax and no Engineers to fix the problem.
Last I heard another B744 was being despatched from SYD to take up the slack and the grounded B744 was required in SYD today at 1000 hrs to operate revunue sevices. Still no Engineers to fix it though.
I hope the Engineers involved have covered themselves impecably. No doubt QF management will see this as 'industrial action' and will want answers as to why this delay was incurred.
My prediction is they will be stood down (with pay) pending a full investigation.
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"No hotels for the pax"
That's the gretaest load of bullshIP I've eard in a long while - no otels in Melbourne bull
****e!
"No doubt QF management will see this as 'industrial action' "
They can see it as they like, if there ain't been an official decleration by the union then it ain't industial action.
How the f are lames serposed ta be able ta forecast upcoming defects and to make themselves available "just in case".
"My prediction is they will be stood down"
Yeah, well that's REALLY gunna help an already short supply of lames, ain't it.
Also raises intresting legal questions about wrongful salary deduction too.
That's the gretaest load of bullshIP I've eard in a long while - no otels in Melbourne bull
****e!"No doubt QF management will see this as 'industrial action' "
They can see it as they like, if there ain't been an official decleration by the union then it ain't industial action.
How the f
are lames serposed ta be able ta forecast upcoming defects and to make themselves available "just in case"."My prediction is they will be stood down"
Yeah, well that's REALLY gunna help an already short supply of lames, ain't it.
Also raises intresting legal questions about wrongful salary deduction too.
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I hope the Engineers involved have covered themselves impecably.
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"No hotels for the pax"
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Qantas screws more employees
It seems as though what the LAMEs at Qantas need is an organisation to protect and promote their interests. What is the ALAEA doing about the current situation?
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what industrial action? if there is simply not enough staff to do the work, then there is not enough staff to do the work, simple! employ more staff. as any normal company would do to make sure it met its obligations to its customers!
oh, my bad, QF doesnt have obligations to its customers, only shareholders
oh, my bad, QF doesnt have obligations to its customers, only shareholders
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Sorry Moment of Clarity but you are just plain wrong on the QF9 to Singapore thing. I know an engineer involved in the situation personally. The aircraft had a problem with PA, there was no MEL relief possible, it was NOT grounded due to any overtime bans, in fact a few guys stayed back until 04:00 am just to get the aircraft serviceable again (which was a nice gesture I think since If they would have applied any "bans" the aircraft would have been stuck in Melbourne for MUCH longer!). The pilots on the aircraft from Sydney went the extra mile to get everyone to Singapore as well.
The only thing you are right though is that all the disgruntled passengers where kept in limbo, that aspect could've been handled much more professionally.
The only thing you are right though is that all the disgruntled passengers where kept in limbo, that aspect could've been handled much more professionally.
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I heard a few things too.
Apparently the relief aircraft was sent from SYD after 2300 curfew and upon arrival in MEL was also deemed U/S.
Passengers were further inconvenienced while engineers supposed to be fixing the grounded aircraft were sent over to repair the new arrival aircraft.
QF 9 departed at 0310, 10 hours after its scheduled departure time. The only people left to work on the aircraft were the Foreman and the Leading Hand on shift. Everyone had somwhere else to be.
Real shame that, isnt Bruce! Hope your not feeling to much pressure before the unofficial bans escalate! ALAEA executive must be getting an absolute ear full.
Apparently the relief aircraft was sent from SYD after 2300 curfew and upon arrival in MEL was also deemed U/S.
Passengers were further inconvenienced while engineers supposed to be fixing the grounded aircraft were sent over to repair the new arrival aircraft.
QF 9 departed at 0310, 10 hours after its scheduled departure time. The only people left to work on the aircraft were the Foreman and the Leading Hand on shift. Everyone had somwhere else to be.
Real shame that, isnt Bruce! Hope your not feeling to much pressure before the unofficial bans escalate! ALAEA executive must be getting an absolute ear full.
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What concerns me the most is, what's going to happen to us the employee's when things really get tough for QF and I think its a not IF but when. Here we are making $1billion profits and we are seeing jobs going off-shore, conditions being eroded etc etc, what will happen if we start to loose money?