Qantas - Distasteful?
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Bad Dog!
Of course I would Luuuuv to inflict a Qantas hub in Melbourne on the rest of Australia. (Not)
Still no one answers the question or contradicts me. Obviously that answers my question.
Of course I would Luuuuv to inflict a Qantas hub in Melbourne on the rest of Australia. (Not)
Still no one answers the question or contradicts me. Obviously that answers my question.
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Sunfish
We are but humble pilots, why waste your time posting (very) high-level management conspiracies here? You may as well post them on the professional aircraft cleaners rumour network.
Fact is, we don't give a sh!t about anything you write, you are a middle aged, angry little man who didn't follow his dream (or couldn't?) of flying heavy jets and now you want to mix it with us, and this is only way you can. How pathetic. (and please don't try to refute this - I really don't care)
Go and call the PM, John Anderson or Geoff Dixon, these are the only people who can provide answers to your constant tripe. Go on sunfish, sign some stat decs and post them up here, we could all do with laughing our arses off for a minute or two. I say again, you are completely wasting your time here, but then again, you already know that.
[BTW Tony, I wouldn't keep trying to justify anything to this bloke, if career longevity is your goal! Cheers)
We are but humble pilots, why waste your time posting (very) high-level management conspiracies here? You may as well post them on the professional aircraft cleaners rumour network.
Fact is, we don't give a sh!t about anything you write, you are a middle aged, angry little man who didn't follow his dream (or couldn't?) of flying heavy jets and now you want to mix it with us, and this is only way you can. How pathetic. (and please don't try to refute this - I really don't care)
Go and call the PM, John Anderson or Geoff Dixon, these are the only people who can provide answers to your constant tripe. Go on sunfish, sign some stat decs and post them up here, we could all do with laughing our arses off for a minute or two. I say again, you are completely wasting your time here, but then again, you already know that.
[BTW Tony, I wouldn't keep trying to justify anything to this bloke, if career longevity is your goal! Cheers)
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Gee Applebrain,
Why Yes, while I am a boring old fart, you flatter yourself outrageaously by assuming I want to mix it with you. I'll leave the next obvious retort out to keep Woomeri happy.
I am concerned about what happens to Qantas because of its inordinate effects on Tourism and industry development in this country - and that means ALL PARTS of Australia.
Direct airline connections are an important part of attracting International companies to particular locations. My simple contention that if Qantas is supposed to be allowed the priviledge of being a national flag carrier then it should ensure it operates in the national interest and not, as it currently is, the plaything of the Sydney push.
Obviously this subject enrages you because as of yet, nobody has contradicted me or provided an adequate answer.
Why Yes, while I am a boring old fart, you flatter yourself outrageaously by assuming I want to mix it with you. I'll leave the next obvious retort out to keep Woomeri happy.
I am concerned about what happens to Qantas because of its inordinate effects on Tourism and industry development in this country - and that means ALL PARTS of Australia.
Direct airline connections are an important part of attracting International companies to particular locations. My simple contention that if Qantas is supposed to be allowed the priviledge of being a national flag carrier then it should ensure it operates in the national interest and not, as it currently is, the plaything of the Sydney push.
Obviously this subject enrages you because as of yet, nobody has contradicted me or provided an adequate answer.
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Sunfish,
What about airlines in other countries?
Thai Airways, Singapore Airlines etc...
Don't they operate out of one major hub in their respective countries?
A serious question. If you were running QF, how would you structure the company to ensure it met the interests of ALL Australians?
What about airlines in other countries?
Thai Airways, Singapore Airlines etc...
Don't they operate out of one major hub in their respective countries?
A serious question. If you were running QF, how would you structure the company to ensure it met the interests of ALL Australians?
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
the plaything of the Sydney push.
The main base for Ansett (RIP) and TAA was Melbourne.
Sydney has been the QANTAS base since Adam was a boy - it was Longreach when he was in nappies, and will probably be DELHI or JAKARTA if Dixon gets his way.
Get over it, Sunfish, Melbourne is a long way from being anywhere near the spoke of an Australian hub, whilst Sydney is midway between there and the booming State of Queensland.
Most overseas visitors have Sydney and the Gold Coast on their itineraries - Melbourne doesn't rate a mention - so if you think QANTAS should move (during the few years it has left under the Dixon Charter) then I vote for
COOLANGATTA
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Thank you for your question QNH.
Yes, many other airlines have only one hub. In the case of Singapore, Thai and many others it doesn't matter because either the country is so small for geography to be a problem or there are competing airlines hubbing out of other locations to provide competition.
The problem is not even so much geography as one of travel time, especially on long haul routes like Australia.
The importance of direct flights to and from capital cities as an element of international investment attraction is well known and indisputible.
Qantas knows this. State Governments know this, yet Qantas makes only minimal efforts as a national flag carrier to address this matter of equity between states.
Oh I know the big lie "All our flights go to Sydney because thats where people want to go". This is wrong on at least one count. (a) after 23 hours travel you will get out of an aircraft at the earliest opportunity. Waiting in transit for the three hour turnaround and flight to Melbourne or Brisbane is excruciating.
What would I do? Initially I'm stuck with a hub in Sydney, but I would try to ensure that I can get aircraft into and out of Australia WITHOUT that Sydney stop over. I would sell this to State and Federal Governments as a measure to reduce pressure on Sydney and remove the need for a second airport in NSW. I would ask for Government handouts to do it too.
For a start I would maximise the number of direct flights to State capitals and put spare capacity on them. I'd have to invest in more rotables, staff and other line maintenance spares to do this.
I would make sure all my Sydney flights were fully loaded. That way I can take some pressure off the available slots at Sydney and get out of Sydney airport's clutches.
To put it another way, if you look at Qantas's international websites and plan any itinerary you like, you will notice that it is almost impossible to get to Melbourne or Brisbane at reasonable cost without passing through Sydney, and the itinerary with the Sydney stop is almost invariably the top of the list. I would tend to reverse this and I'd make sure that loadings into and out of Sydney were as full as I could make them in the interests of cutting down on flight numbers
I would put my A380 heavy maintenance facility somewhere else than Sydney - that would be cheaper too. I would move as much maintenance as I could, as fast as I could out of high cost Sydney real estate. Avalon comes to mind for heavy maintenance. As for workshops and engines etc, who knows? Moving them is a multi year business.
As a result of this I'm probably up for more spare engines and so on, but that is a matter of logistics that is subject of computer modelling that Airbus and Boeing will be only too happy to do for me.
Money is of course the issue, but I believe it could be attractive because a restructure could take the pressure off investment in a second airport in NSW and free up valuable real estate - maybe for another shopping mall or whatever. I would get the State Goivernments to put their hands in their pockets to "facilitate" as much as possible of increased investment in maintenance facilities and so on.
This strategy would be designed to stop Qantas being hemmed in by its competitors as a "Sydney centric" airline. Singapore has already started doing this and wooing Melbourne. If other airlines "adopt" a state each then Qantas is going to see market share eroding.
I would obviously adopt the "reverse pyramid" management style with the staff at the coal face on the top and the management in the depths below.
I'd also ensure the place was staffed by Australians and I'd be advertising that if you want to fly THE Australian Flag Carrier then you are going to have to be prepared to pay a little more because it is going to cost to maintain our high standards.
Meanwhile, the stock drops to 35 cents and Sunfish, no longer the darling of the markets, gets put out to grass...... but not before making off with $25 million in performance bonuses.
Yes, many other airlines have only one hub. In the case of Singapore, Thai and many others it doesn't matter because either the country is so small for geography to be a problem or there are competing airlines hubbing out of other locations to provide competition.
The problem is not even so much geography as one of travel time, especially on long haul routes like Australia.
The importance of direct flights to and from capital cities as an element of international investment attraction is well known and indisputible.
Qantas knows this. State Governments know this, yet Qantas makes only minimal efforts as a national flag carrier to address this matter of equity between states.
Oh I know the big lie "All our flights go to Sydney because thats where people want to go". This is wrong on at least one count. (a) after 23 hours travel you will get out of an aircraft at the earliest opportunity. Waiting in transit for the three hour turnaround and flight to Melbourne or Brisbane is excruciating.
What would I do? Initially I'm stuck with a hub in Sydney, but I would try to ensure that I can get aircraft into and out of Australia WITHOUT that Sydney stop over. I would sell this to State and Federal Governments as a measure to reduce pressure on Sydney and remove the need for a second airport in NSW. I would ask for Government handouts to do it too.
For a start I would maximise the number of direct flights to State capitals and put spare capacity on them. I'd have to invest in more rotables, staff and other line maintenance spares to do this.
I would make sure all my Sydney flights were fully loaded. That way I can take some pressure off the available slots at Sydney and get out of Sydney airport's clutches.
To put it another way, if you look at Qantas's international websites and plan any itinerary you like, you will notice that it is almost impossible to get to Melbourne or Brisbane at reasonable cost without passing through Sydney, and the itinerary with the Sydney stop is almost invariably the top of the list. I would tend to reverse this and I'd make sure that loadings into and out of Sydney were as full as I could make them in the interests of cutting down on flight numbers
I would put my A380 heavy maintenance facility somewhere else than Sydney - that would be cheaper too. I would move as much maintenance as I could, as fast as I could out of high cost Sydney real estate. Avalon comes to mind for heavy maintenance. As for workshops and engines etc, who knows? Moving them is a multi year business.
As a result of this I'm probably up for more spare engines and so on, but that is a matter of logistics that is subject of computer modelling that Airbus and Boeing will be only too happy to do for me.
Money is of course the issue, but I believe it could be attractive because a restructure could take the pressure off investment in a second airport in NSW and free up valuable real estate - maybe for another shopping mall or whatever. I would get the State Goivernments to put their hands in their pockets to "facilitate" as much as possible of increased investment in maintenance facilities and so on.
This strategy would be designed to stop Qantas being hemmed in by its competitors as a "Sydney centric" airline. Singapore has already started doing this and wooing Melbourne. If other airlines "adopt" a state each then Qantas is going to see market share eroding.
I would obviously adopt the "reverse pyramid" management style with the staff at the coal face on the top and the management in the depths below.
I'd also ensure the place was staffed by Australians and I'd be advertising that if you want to fly THE Australian Flag Carrier then you are going to have to be prepared to pay a little more because it is going to cost to maintain our high standards.
Meanwhile, the stock drops to 35 cents and Sunfish, no longer the darling of the markets, gets put out to grass...... but not before making off with $25 million in performance bonuses.
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IGNORANCE IS BLISS
Sunfish,
You really should do your homework before you display, for all to see, your ignorance. You are such a goose!
Qantas flies daily Melbourne to Los Angeles and to Singapoire and return. Adelaide has at least three weekly direct flights to/from Singapore. Perth has several daily to/from Singapore, at least thee a week to/from Tokyo and daily (?) to/from Hong Kong as well as a couple a week to/from Jakarta. Brisbane has a daily Singapore, several a week to/from Homng Kong, a daily to/from Los Angeles as well as several to/from Tokyo.
Yes, Sunfish, not all Qantas international flights operate via Sydney. Some QF aeroplanes are away from main base for up to two+ weeks at a time. You obviously don't know that either. For one who proclims to be a former CEO, your lack of knowledge is alarming. Then perhaps that's why you were the CEO: ever heard of the Peter Principle?
We are we wasting time with your drivel.
You really should do your homework before you display, for all to see, your ignorance. You are such a goose!
Qantas flies daily Melbourne to Los Angeles and to Singapoire and return. Adelaide has at least three weekly direct flights to/from Singapore. Perth has several daily to/from Singapore, at least thee a week to/from Tokyo and daily (?) to/from Hong Kong as well as a couple a week to/from Jakarta. Brisbane has a daily Singapore, several a week to/from Homng Kong, a daily to/from Los Angeles as well as several to/from Tokyo.
Yes, Sunfish, not all Qantas international flights operate via Sydney. Some QF aeroplanes are away from main base for up to two+ weeks at a time. You obviously don't know that either. For one who proclims to be a former CEO, your lack of knowledge is alarming. Then perhaps that's why you were the CEO: ever heard of the Peter Principle?
We are we wasting time with your drivel.
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OK Don, Look at the loadings and try and get a seat on those flights at short notice.
By the way, there is now a direct London - Sydney flight both ways but no direct London - Melbourne (there is Melbourne - London) , I have to stop at Tokyo (33 hrs) or Hong Kong (22 hrs) on the way out. Is this a genuine operational matter or just a marketing ploy?
And Yes Don, I know AC stay away for weeks sometimes, but where do they return when they get back and before they go out again?
By the way, there is now a direct London - Sydney flight both ways but no direct London - Melbourne (there is Melbourne - London) , I have to stop at Tokyo (33 hrs) or Hong Kong (22 hrs) on the way out. Is this a genuine operational matter or just a marketing ploy?
And Yes Don, I know AC stay away for weeks sometimes, but where do they return when they get back and before they go out again?
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Sunfish
Wrong again , the usual misinformation. QF10 ops daily London-Singapore-Melbourne. Note also BA17/BA18 also operates London-Melbourne-London ( via SIN ) and surprise , surprise it's not via SYD thereby disproving another of your inaccurate assertions.
Please get hold of a dictionary and try to understand what 'Monopoly' means. How can having 40% market share of something mean you have a monopoly.
Wrong again , the usual misinformation. QF10 ops daily London-Singapore-Melbourne. Note also BA17/BA18 also operates London-Melbourne-London ( via SIN ) and surprise , surprise it's not via SYD thereby disproving another of your inaccurate assertions.
Please get hold of a dictionary and try to understand what 'Monopoly' means. How can having 40% market share of something mean you have a monopoly.
Yeah, sneaky Qantas, putting those direct flights (which will let people bypass the cesspool of nepotism that is Sydney & go straight to wherever they want) right at the top of the list - that'll fool them 
Sunfish, you are a peanut
And again for those who are unfortunate enough to share the same state as you know who...
Sunfish, you are a peanut
And again for those who are unfortunate enough to share the same state as you know who...
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Sunfish will keep trying to ensure that it is as easy to get to Melbourne via Qantas as it is to get to Sydney
There should be no bias towards NSW.
This is a matter of loadings as well as flights.
I will keep carrying on about this until there is change,
There should be no bias towards NSW.
This is a matter of loadings as well as flights.
I will keep carrying on about this until there is change,
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Sunfish will keep trying to ensure that it is as easy to get to insert your favourite city here via Qantas as it is to get to Sydney
Trouble is, Sydney is home to almost 4 million Aussies (vs just over 2/3 that number for MEL), and NONE of the Japanese I've spoken to, who are visiting Oz on vacation, have MEL on their itinerary.
So why would QF have any incentive to INCREASE existing services to there?
(The 3 months initial intake training into AN, and the recurrent sims & ground schools there, only made me appreciate BNE all the MORE
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Hi Sunfish
Just out of interest, QF is double daily twice a week MEL LAX, and quite often I have to reroute LAX SYD psgrs over MEL to get a decent fare.
The fact is the MEL LAX services normally can be sold right down to deepest discount almost until the aeroplane pushes back.
Maybe this is a function of the respective Tourism bodies, both State and Federal, rather than the operator.
Best regards
EWL
Just out of interest, QF is double daily twice a week MEL LAX, and quite often I have to reroute LAX SYD psgrs over MEL to get a decent fare.
The fact is the MEL LAX services normally can be sold right down to deepest discount almost until the aeroplane pushes back.
Maybe this is a function of the respective Tourism bodies, both State and Federal, rather than the operator.
Best regards
EWL
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Such ridiculous bulls*#t, both Melbourne and Sydney are GREAT cities for similar and different reasons.
Both have accepted migrants from all races, both have perfected their chosen talents and both have remained since their inceptions as the respective state capitals.
Sydney is home to the sun worshipping, fun loving beautiful people, Melbourne home to pragmatic, down to earth, black never goes out of fashion people.
I think we continue to forget one thing
WE ARE ALL AUSTRALIANS
Instead of pi#*ing and moaning about who did what, got more, is shagging who ? worry about saving each other's jobs, conditions, awards, livelyhoods etc etc etc
In short every one of us is under extreme pressure do our jobs cheaper, faster, more efficiently and longer,
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US,
Join together FIGHT the common enemy or Fly you fools as we are lost
Both have accepted migrants from all races, both have perfected their chosen talents and both have remained since their inceptions as the respective state capitals.
Sydney is home to the sun worshipping, fun loving beautiful people, Melbourne home to pragmatic, down to earth, black never goes out of fashion people.
I think we continue to forget one thing
WE ARE ALL AUSTRALIANS
Instead of pi#*ing and moaning about who did what, got more, is shagging who ? worry about saving each other's jobs, conditions, awards, livelyhoods etc etc etc
In short every one of us is under extreme pressure do our jobs cheaper, faster, more efficiently and longer,
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US,
Join together FIGHT the common enemy or Fly you fools as we are lost
