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You make the Roulettes a full time team and give them a bunch of Hawks to play with and I am sure they could match it with the best.
Comparing the two teams is chalk and cheese really.
Comparing the two teams is chalk and cheese really.
Glad to hear all involved are OK.
More recent news stories go into more detail- the fellow recovered by ambulance was the pilot of Roulette Five - the crashed aircraft. ABC news on the radio confirmed he was OK but has a sore back.
If the paddock they crashed into was at Cobains, that's practically across the road from the base. Seems the other aircraft involved was able to make it back to the runway and land safely.
More recent news stories go into more detail- the fellow recovered by ambulance was the pilot of Roulette Five - the crashed aircraft. ABC news on the radio confirmed he was OK but has a sore back.
If the paddock they crashed into was at Cobains, that's practically across the road from the base. Seems the other aircraft involved was able to make it back to the runway and land safely.
While the PC9's are nice, they don't have quite the same appeal as the Macchis did. But it's nice to see that there was a happy outcome on this one!
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just saw the video of the accident on ABC news.
this is spot on! funny footage (if anything about this can be funny) was the pilots ejector seat lying in a paddock surrounded by sheep!
During display with Channel 10 cameraman in chase aircraft, A7-049 (Roulette 4) reared up and struck the underbelly of A7-054 (Roulette 1). Pilot of 049 ejected. Pilot of 054 (Geoff Trappett) performed gear-up landing at RAAF East Sale. The Roulettes were practising for the Canberra Bicentennial Airshow which was scheduled for Sunday 13th March 1988.
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Again the media don't tell the proper story!
Info is pretty much correct except for the quote from the RAV spokesperson!
The ejected pilot was picked up by the base SAR helicopter which landed in the paddock next to the pilot as the first crash truck arrived. He was then flown to the local hospital where the S-76 SAR helicopter landed on a nearby cricket ground due to the hospital's helipad being rebuilt. The pilot was THEN transferred to a civilian ambulance for the very short trip a few hundred metres up the road.
ABC news tonight showed the actual footage of the collision, the two aircraft spinning out of control and one of the pilots ejecting and landing safely. Footage must have come from the RAAF itself as they film each display practice for debrief purposes. Watch out for it's appearance on the internet no doubt! Although i'm surprised it was released before the investigation.
Lasiorhinus,
Yes, it was less than one km north of Cobains Rd, so very close to the base perimeter fence.
Best news is the pilot is okay and was released from hospital a short time ago
Info is pretty much correct except for the quote from the RAV spokesperson!
The ejected pilot was picked up by the base SAR helicopter which landed in the paddock next to the pilot as the first crash truck arrived. He was then flown to the local hospital where the S-76 SAR helicopter landed on a nearby cricket ground due to the hospital's helipad being rebuilt. The pilot was THEN transferred to a civilian ambulance for the very short trip a few hundred metres up the road.
ABC news tonight showed the actual footage of the collision, the two aircraft spinning out of control and one of the pilots ejecting and landing safely. Footage must have come from the RAAF itself as they film each display practice for debrief purposes. Watch out for it's appearance on the internet no doubt! Although i'm surprised it was released before the investigation.
Lasiorhinus,
Yes, it was less than one km north of Cobains Rd, so very close to the base perimeter fence.
Best news is the pilot is okay and was released from hospital a short time ago
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Again the media don't tell the proper story!
It was GREAT repoting - not sensationalist & it was factual.
You are an idiot!
I also have to say having watched it over 50 times that there appears to be more than one collision.
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Interesting to hear that they other aircraft performed a gear-up landing. I was remember being told (by a RAAF pilot) that two pilots were killed in a PC-9 while landing gear-up several years back. Something to do with the wing spar failing and the aircraft rolling over. This caused a change in policy, prohibiting gear-up landings in PC-9s. Any RAAFies care to comment?
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Chips,
Don't think it was one of ours. Check http://www.adf-serials.com/3a23.shtml
One was lost after CFIT, the other when a Kiwi exchange pilot shut down the engine in the circuit....
Don't think it was one of ours. Check http://www.adf-serials.com/3a23.shtml
One was lost after CFIT, the other when a Kiwi exchange pilot shut down the engine in the circuit....
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the other when a Kiwi exchange pilot shut down the engine in the circuit....
Said Gp Capt later achieved infamy thru his $600,000 renovation of the Ohakea Base Commnder's residence.
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Idiot?..Idiot?...what the...?
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It was GREAT repoting - not sensationalist & it was factual
It wasn't factual YOU idiot! How do you know it was factual, because you read it on the internet?
So you reading the story in the UK on the internet makes you the facts expert, but IDIOT me standing out front of the SAR flight watching the action happen and talking with the SAR crew AFTER they'd flown him to hospital, doesn't know what he's talking about!!
Sensitive petal aren't you? No, I wasn't "journo bashing", I was replying to the original post as requested to give a FACTUAL eyewitness insight into one part of the incident. That being the SAR helos part in the rescue.
My remark about the media comes from frustration from 12 years of SAR/EMS and reading stories of incidents I have personal knowledge or involvement in and seeing factual errors. Makes me wonder about all the other non SAR related stories out there which I don't know about and their accuracy....
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It was GREAT repoting - not sensationalist & it was factual
It wasn't factual YOU idiot! How do you know it was factual, because you read it on the internet?
So you reading the story in the UK on the internet makes you the facts expert, but IDIOT me standing out front of the SAR flight watching the action happen and talking with the SAR crew AFTER they'd flown him to hospital, doesn't know what he's talking about!!
Sensitive petal aren't you? No, I wasn't "journo bashing", I was replying to the original post as requested to give a FACTUAL eyewitness insight into one part of the incident. That being the SAR helos part in the rescue.
My remark about the media comes from frustration from 12 years of SAR/EMS and reading stories of incidents I have personal knowledge or involvement in and seeing factual errors. Makes me wonder about all the other non SAR related stories out there which I don't know about and their accuracy....
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The "score" was settled a while later when a RAAF exchange pilot stepped out of a kiwi Blunty after spinning it with too bang-water in the tips or not enough or something like that.
At least that's what the 'shaggers tried to pin on him at the time.
Conveniently the aircraft was destroyed and the fuel state could not be verified!!!
Just can't picture a low-wing type like the Cropduster rolling over on the ground when the spar broke upon a gear-up landing. Are you sure you're not confusing it with a Macchi which had a wing-spar fail in-flight?
At least that's what the 'shaggers tried to pin on him at the time.
Conveniently the aircraft was destroyed and the fuel state could not be verified!!!
Just can't picture a low-wing type like the Cropduster rolling over on the ground when the spar broke upon a gear-up landing. Are you sure you're not confusing it with a Macchi which had a wing-spar fail in-flight?
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From the ABC website:
Roulettes crash in mid-air
The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) has confirmed two of its aerobatics team, the Roulettes, were involved in a mid-air collision near Sale in Victoria's east this morning.
The pilot of one of the planes, Flight Lieutenant Mark Ellis, was able to land it safely, while the other pilot, Flight Lieutenant Arnie Moorscheck, ejected and parachuted to safety before his plane crashed.
The two planes crashed while the Roulettes were practising flying in formation a few kilometres from the East Sale RAAF base.
Flight Lieutenant Moorscheck has been flown to hospital with minor injuries.
The RAAF's commanding officer at the Air Training Wing at East Sale, Pete Norford, says the two Roulettes collided while rejoining formation just after 10:00am AEDT.
"The other one recovered quite fine [but] one aircraft was basically out of control," he said.
Investigation
The head of the Air Force, Air Marshall Angus Houston, has announced an investigation into the mid-air collision.
He has praised the pilots and those who responded to the incident.
"We recovered the ejected pilot very quickly by helicopter, got him to the hospital and all other aspects of emergency recovery were first class," Air Marshall Houston said.
"We're investigating the accident. The directorate of flying safety is doing that for us - they will start the investigation later today."
Air Marshall Houston says the Roulettes have a good track record: "We've been operating for about 15 years with the PC9 in the Roulettes and this is the first time we've lost an aircraft."
Commanding Officer Norford says training sessions are "designed and reviewed very closely for all sorts of issues of safety".
He says the they take place at a reasonably high altitude so "in the event of something going wrong, the pilot has plenty of time to recover the aircraft".
"In this case, the other one recovered quite fine and the pilot ejected well within limits and quite safely," he said.
'I gave him a hug'
Property owner Marj Crank watched as Flight Lieutenant Moorscheck's plane crashed in a cow paddock and exploded into flames.
"It just gets a bit frightening when, if they're coming sort of straight down and it might be just about over your roof, but you never think it's going to happen," she said.
She says it was a huge relief to see the pilot parachuting down while his plane was in flames below.
Ms Crank said that once he landed, "I put my arms around him and gave him a hug."
The Air Force says none of the other Roulettes were damaged.
The Pilatus PC9s based at East Sale are a turbo-prop training aircraft the Air Force uses for exhibitions and aerobatics displays across Australia.
Roulettes crash in mid-air
The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) has confirmed two of its aerobatics team, the Roulettes, were involved in a mid-air collision near Sale in Victoria's east this morning.
The pilot of one of the planes, Flight Lieutenant Mark Ellis, was able to land it safely, while the other pilot, Flight Lieutenant Arnie Moorscheck, ejected and parachuted to safety before his plane crashed.
The two planes crashed while the Roulettes were practising flying in formation a few kilometres from the East Sale RAAF base.
Flight Lieutenant Moorscheck has been flown to hospital with minor injuries.
The RAAF's commanding officer at the Air Training Wing at East Sale, Pete Norford, says the two Roulettes collided while rejoining formation just after 10:00am AEDT.
"The other one recovered quite fine [but] one aircraft was basically out of control," he said.
Investigation
The head of the Air Force, Air Marshall Angus Houston, has announced an investigation into the mid-air collision.
He has praised the pilots and those who responded to the incident.
"We recovered the ejected pilot very quickly by helicopter, got him to the hospital and all other aspects of emergency recovery were first class," Air Marshall Houston said.
"We're investigating the accident. The directorate of flying safety is doing that for us - they will start the investigation later today."
Air Marshall Houston says the Roulettes have a good track record: "We've been operating for about 15 years with the PC9 in the Roulettes and this is the first time we've lost an aircraft."
Commanding Officer Norford says training sessions are "designed and reviewed very closely for all sorts of issues of safety".
He says the they take place at a reasonably high altitude so "in the event of something going wrong, the pilot has plenty of time to recover the aircraft".
"In this case, the other one recovered quite fine and the pilot ejected well within limits and quite safely," he said.
'I gave him a hug'
Property owner Marj Crank watched as Flight Lieutenant Moorscheck's plane crashed in a cow paddock and exploded into flames.
"It just gets a bit frightening when, if they're coming sort of straight down and it might be just about over your roof, but you never think it's going to happen," she said.
She says it was a huge relief to see the pilot parachuting down while his plane was in flames below.
Ms Crank said that once he landed, "I put my arms around him and gave him a hug."
The Air Force says none of the other Roulettes were damaged.
The Pilatus PC9s based at East Sale are a turbo-prop training aircraft the Air Force uses for exhibitions and aerobatics displays across Australia.
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Thanks Obiwan. Looks like I either remember incorrectly (most likely) or someone was telling porkie pies. Sure remember the Kiwi punching out down at Albany though. I saw the "cheque" on the wall at 2FTS from the Kiwi's to pay for it. Good one boys
There was (is) debate whether the shutdown was from the exchange pilot or the Kiwi Group Captain along for the ride.
The Kiwi GPCAPT in the front seat simply pulled the PCL shutoff lever, instead of lowering the flaps. He was unfamiliar with the PC-9, and he described the ejection at No 2 Mess a few weeks later. The same findings were published in the accident report.
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Morning!
Just had a look at the ABC footage on the web. Pretty good. Does anybody know what what point/height Arnie punched out at I can't see it in the footage must be blind?!
Always PLE!
Just had a look at the ABC footage on the web. Pretty good. Does anybody know what what point/height Arnie punched out at I can't see it in the footage must be blind?!
Always PLE!