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With all the works at Melbourne I had heard a rumor of the ILS being upgraded to CatII or CATIII, with low vis taxi radar.
Has anyone else heard this and if so is this happening at the same time.
Has anyone else heard this and if so is this happening at the same time.
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Fri "The Australian"
Airbus jumbo's not big enough for some
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
January 21, 2005
EUROPEAN manufacturer Airbus is under pressure to make the world's biggest passenger aircraft even bigger.
Airlines including Emirates and Virgin Atlantic are already lobbying for a stretch version of the plane, which could carry more than 1000 people on shorter, heavily travelled routes.
"We've been talking to them about doing a stretch version, a longer version of the current plane that you saw today," Virgin Atlantic chairman Richard Branson said at this week's A380 unveiling.
"They're looking like they may well go for that. That would be another 200 seats so you could get about 1100 people in it."
Emirates plans to use the A380 in a three-class, 489-seat configuration on routes to Australia and New Zealand but it also will have a two-class configuration carrying 644 people.
"Within seven hours of Dubai there are very, very dense routes," Emirates president Tim Clark said. "We've got the whole of the Indian sub-continent, Pakistan, west Asia. You've got East Asia as well, Thailand -- so there are plenty of places we can put this aeroplane to work, no problems about that.
"Today we have 434-seat 777-300s in two classes and they're operating at over 90 per cent in everything we do."
The first version of the giant aircraft was revealed on Tuesday in new Airbus livery amid fanfare and political back-slapping. About 5000 guests, including the leaders of Britain, Germany, France and Spain, watched the lavish unveiling in the aircraft's giant assembly building in Toulouse, France.
The event is rumoured to have cost E5million ($8.6 million).
European leaders hailed the aircraft as a milestone in industrial and technical co-operation that placed the European Union ahead of its major rival, the US.
Airbus and some airline executives are predicting the giant aircraft will prompt US manufacturer Boeing to axe production of the A380's iconic predecessor, the Boeing 747.
Airline executives expect the A380 to begin a rigorous program of up to 1000 hours of flight testing in March, although one Airbus source said it could be sooner.
Powered by giant engines certified for up to 80,000 pounds of thrust, the super jumbo is capable of flying up to 15,000km with a promised reduction in operating costs per seat of 15 per cent.
The aircraft is due to enter service on Singapore Airlines' London-Sydney route by the end of June 2006.
Airbus is initially producing passenger and freighter versions of the aircraft, and has sold 149 A380s to 14 operators.
Qantas has bought 12 and plans to deploy the first four on routes from Melbourne and Sydney to Los Angeles towards the end of next year.
The aircraft is designed to meet higher pollution and noise requirements now being demanded by authorities. Engine maker Rolls-Royce says the Trent 900 engine chosen by Qantas is its lightest, cleanest and quietest. With a 116-inch (295cm) fan diameter, the Trent 900 is also the biggest engine ever built by Rolls.
Four A380s have so far been assembled in Toulouse. The first to fly, MSN001, has completed ground tests and will shortly be handed over to the Airbus flight test department.
The ground tests probed the aircraft's hydraulics, landing gear, electrics and flight controls. The aircraft was also pumped full of air at a third higher than normal pressure to measure stresses that pressurisation might cause on the cabin.
The flight test department has been performing a "virtual first flight campaign" using the A380's onboard computers in cockpit systems prior to the first flight.
Although there have been concerns that the aircraft is overweight, Airbus says it has addressed the issue and does not expect any problems.
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Airbus jumbo's not big enough for some
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer
January 21, 2005
EUROPEAN manufacturer Airbus is under pressure to make the world's biggest passenger aircraft even bigger.
Airlines including Emirates and Virgin Atlantic are already lobbying for a stretch version of the plane, which could carry more than 1000 people on shorter, heavily travelled routes.
"We've been talking to them about doing a stretch version, a longer version of the current plane that you saw today," Virgin Atlantic chairman Richard Branson said at this week's A380 unveiling.
"They're looking like they may well go for that. That would be another 200 seats so you could get about 1100 people in it."
Emirates plans to use the A380 in a three-class, 489-seat configuration on routes to Australia and New Zealand but it also will have a two-class configuration carrying 644 people.
"Within seven hours of Dubai there are very, very dense routes," Emirates president Tim Clark said. "We've got the whole of the Indian sub-continent, Pakistan, west Asia. You've got East Asia as well, Thailand -- so there are plenty of places we can put this aeroplane to work, no problems about that.
"Today we have 434-seat 777-300s in two classes and they're operating at over 90 per cent in everything we do."
The first version of the giant aircraft was revealed on Tuesday in new Airbus livery amid fanfare and political back-slapping. About 5000 guests, including the leaders of Britain, Germany, France and Spain, watched the lavish unveiling in the aircraft's giant assembly building in Toulouse, France.
The event is rumoured to have cost E5million ($8.6 million).
European leaders hailed the aircraft as a milestone in industrial and technical co-operation that placed the European Union ahead of its major rival, the US.
Airbus and some airline executives are predicting the giant aircraft will prompt US manufacturer Boeing to axe production of the A380's iconic predecessor, the Boeing 747.
Airline executives expect the A380 to begin a rigorous program of up to 1000 hours of flight testing in March, although one Airbus source said it could be sooner.
Powered by giant engines certified for up to 80,000 pounds of thrust, the super jumbo is capable of flying up to 15,000km with a promised reduction in operating costs per seat of 15 per cent.
The aircraft is due to enter service on Singapore Airlines' London-Sydney route by the end of June 2006.
Airbus is initially producing passenger and freighter versions of the aircraft, and has sold 149 A380s to 14 operators.
Qantas has bought 12 and plans to deploy the first four on routes from Melbourne and Sydney to Los Angeles towards the end of next year.
The aircraft is designed to meet higher pollution and noise requirements now being demanded by authorities. Engine maker Rolls-Royce says the Trent 900 engine chosen by Qantas is its lightest, cleanest and quietest. With a 116-inch (295cm) fan diameter, the Trent 900 is also the biggest engine ever built by Rolls.
Four A380s have so far been assembled in Toulouse. The first to fly, MSN001, has completed ground tests and will shortly be handed over to the Airbus flight test department.
The ground tests probed the aircraft's hydraulics, landing gear, electrics and flight controls. The aircraft was also pumped full of air at a third higher than normal pressure to measure stresses that pressurisation might cause on the cabin.
The flight test department has been performing a "virtual first flight campaign" using the A380's onboard computers in cockpit systems prior to the first flight.
Although there have been concerns that the aircraft is overweight, Airbus says it has addressed the issue and does not expect any problems.
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The bloody thing hasn't been off the ground yet and already the beanies are talking about a stretched version with 1100 pax
Why am I not surprised?
Wouldn't you just lurve pitching up at YSSY among 600, 800 or 1100 other pax off the same aircraft, let alone all the others from aircraft that arrived at the same time, and spend a good part of the rest of that day getting your baggage and clearing security/customs?
I would suggest that unless the airlines organise a completely seperate security/customs/baggage collection area/process for business/first class pax the big spenders will fly on the bloody thing precisely once!!!
I have zero doubt that EK will shoe horn 1100 slaves from the sub continent into them...Mumbai-DXB.
Can't wait for the fatality count from the first one that crashes.
Why am I not surprised?
Wouldn't you just lurve pitching up at YSSY among 600, 800 or 1100 other pax off the same aircraft, let alone all the others from aircraft that arrived at the same time, and spend a good part of the rest of that day getting your baggage and clearing security/customs?
I would suggest that unless the airlines organise a completely seperate security/customs/baggage collection area/process for business/first class pax the big spenders will fly on the bloody thing precisely once!!!
I have zero doubt that EK will shoe horn 1100 slaves from the sub continent into them...Mumbai-DXB.
Can't wait for the fatality count from the first one that crashes.
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I don't understand R. Branson strategy 
First he says on live TV (tuesday) that his A380's wont have more than 500 pax, now he is asking for the stretched version 
Let's try and be positive 
First he says on live TV (tuesday) that his A380's wont have more than 500 pax, now he is asking for the stretched version
Can't wait for the fatality count from the first one that crashes.
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If the 380 sells as well as AI expects, and considering the cost of development, I wonder what Boeing is going to do (if they can) to swing the pendulum the other way. They're trying the economics route with the 7E7 at present, but surely a supersonic airliner must be getting greater priority and consideration.
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that unless the airlines organise a completely seperate security/customs/baggage collection area/process for business/first class pax
but surely a supersonic airliner must be getting greater priority and consideration.
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I reckon the gate lounge would be somewhat congested. How long would it take to load 1100 passengers, one hour? And then be on the aircraft for another umpteen hours.
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Yup, Biscuit Chucker got it right, they'll have to humidify the pax the same way they hose down the veggies at Safeway supermarkets to stop them going all limp. They won't be able to give them drinks in case they all want to go for a pee - imagine how that would affect load & balance?
Since it already seems to take about an hour to lead a 747 with a 300-380 pax, will they employ Tokyo subway crowd-pushers to get the SLF into this behemoth fast enough to make it viable? I mean, at Geoff's price of A$4Bn a dozen, I reckon it's costing about four grand an hour to park, plus crew (how many crew?) times their hourly rate, plus ground facilities, geez, it's probably worth ten grand an hour to load...
More than anything, though, I look forward to arrival at KLAX and stepping down the stairs into the arrival hall to find three of 'em arrived just before. Now what's wrong with that picture?
Starting to think the Comet was a pretty good aircraft from the SLF perspective, apart from the cracks.
Not much to be cheerful about, with this one.
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Since it already seems to take about an hour to lead a 747 with a 300-380 pax, will they employ Tokyo subway crowd-pushers to get the SLF into this behemoth fast enough to make it viable? I mean, at Geoff's price of A$4Bn a dozen, I reckon it's costing about four grand an hour to park, plus crew (how many crew?) times their hourly rate, plus ground facilities, geez, it's probably worth ten grand an hour to load...
More than anything, though, I look forward to arrival at KLAX and stepping down the stairs into the arrival hall to find three of 'em arrived just before. Now what's wrong with that picture?
Starting to think the Comet was a pretty good aircraft from the SLF perspective, apart from the cracks.
Not much to be cheerful about, with this one.
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Uncommon Sense: Great work! However remember that jetstar has first in best dressed seating policy (slightly alterated now) imagine 500+ people all fighting for the best seats! 
Freehills: Remember JAL is japanese, slightly more orderly than the typical western suburbs bogans that'll be flying it with QF out of Syd!
Freehills: Remember JAL is japanese, slightly more orderly than the typical western suburbs bogans that'll be flying it with QF out of Syd!
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japanese, slightly more orderly than the typical western suburbs bogans
PS if it were anything to do with "best-dressed" they wouldn't be flying with JetSlur in the first place.
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I`m reliably informed the cockpit is where it is for a reason. The A330,340 and now the A380 will all have the men (or women) pilots at the same height above ground so their perspective of the runway on final looks the same no matter which type they are flying. Makes conversions from type to type easier etc.
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