QF pilots using "Guard" for chats!!!
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So you're operating radio equipment with the old "GUARD" channel installed are you? And you've selected 121.5 as the frequency you want "GUARDED"??
No, all you've done is tune a 2nd VHF set to 121.5 and picked up the moronic and brain-dead habit off your colleagues of referring to it as "GUARD". Some people are just SO stupid.
In other news, heard in the BALI FIR yesterday:
A chick referring to herself as The Qantas XX relaying for The Other Qantas YY a position report. Sounding like a **** in the process in front of so many others on the air. Unreal...
So it isn't just happening on 121.5, the quantas chat freq.
It's easy. If you MUST transmit on 121.5,
Just say "The Quantas 1, The Quantas 2, come up on Numbers....."
Simple really.
Not:
(The Quantas 2 )
"The Quantas 1, The Quantas 2 on 'Guard' "
(The Quantas 1)
"The Quantas 2, The Quantas 1, it's not "guard" but anyway, go ahead."
(The Quantas 2 )
"The Quantas 2, how's the wind ahead at Bombay?"
(The Quantas 1)
"The Quantas 1, say again???"
(The Quantas 2)
"The Quantas 1, The Quantas 2 request you pass the wind over Bombay?"
(The Quantas 1)
"The Quantas 1, WELL I can sh!t on it if you like...?"
(The Quantas 2)
"The Quantas 2..... Um.... come up on numbers?"
(Unknown callsign)
"Yeah good one The Quantas, get off frickin guard you fux..."
(Second Unknown Callsign)
"It's 121.5, not guard..... you moron."
(Some Poor GA fcuk)
"Mayday, Mayday, Mayday, Alpha Bravo Charlie engine failure, no longer at 9000ft, about to impact the ground, no ELT available, position is 15NM north of......." (Sounds of impact.)
(First Unknown Callsign)
"Onya, The Quantas..."
(The Quantas 2)
"What Evv Errrrrrr........"
No, all you've done is tune a 2nd VHF set to 121.5 and picked up the moronic and brain-dead habit off your colleagues of referring to it as "GUARD". Some people are just SO stupid.
In other news, heard in the BALI FIR yesterday:
A chick referring to herself as The Qantas XX relaying for The Other Qantas YY a position report. Sounding like a **** in the process in front of so many others on the air. Unreal...
So it isn't just happening on 121.5, the quantas chat freq.
It's easy. If you MUST transmit on 121.5,
Just say "The Quantas 1, The Quantas 2, come up on Numbers....."
Simple really.
Not:
(The Quantas 2 )
"The Quantas 1, The Quantas 2 on 'Guard' "
(The Quantas 1)
"The Quantas 2, The Quantas 1, it's not "guard" but anyway, go ahead."
(The Quantas 2 )
"The Quantas 2, how's the wind ahead at Bombay?"
(The Quantas 1)
"The Quantas 1, say again???"
(The Quantas 2)
"The Quantas 1, The Quantas 2 request you pass the wind over Bombay?"
(The Quantas 1)
"The Quantas 1, WELL I can sh!t on it if you like...?"
(The Quantas 2)
"The Quantas 2..... Um.... come up on numbers?"
(Unknown callsign)
"Yeah good one The Quantas, get off frickin guard you fux..."
(Second Unknown Callsign)
"It's 121.5, not guard..... you moron."
(Some Poor GA fcuk)
"Mayday, Mayday, Mayday, Alpha Bravo Charlie engine failure, no longer at 9000ft, about to impact the ground, no ELT available, position is 15NM north of......." (Sounds of impact.)
(First Unknown Callsign)
"Onya, The Quantas..."
(The Quantas 2)
"What Evv Errrrrrr........"
Keep the transmissions brief and there will be no problems. Less than twenty seconds continuous transmission will not "intefere" with anything.
There is "guard" and there is a "guarded" frequency.
Here is an example of a transceiver that is "guard" capable...http://incolor.inetnebr.com/iceman/pilot27.htm
Now can we discuss something more interesting? Some pilots make fools of themselves by talking on the radio and some pilots are simply fools anyway.
There is "guard" and there is a "guarded" frequency.
Here is an example of a transceiver that is "guard" capable...http://incolor.inetnebr.com/iceman/pilot27.htm
Now can we discuss something more interesting? Some pilots make fools of themselves by talking on the radio and some pilots are simply fools anyway.
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"The Qantas 81, this is THe Qantas 179" "The" is not necessary. There is only 1 Qantas 81 or 179 or XXXX at any one time (insert someone who can prove more than 1 of same flight number very shortly)
'Qantas XX, (this is) Qantas XXX' - sounds fine to me.
If your in QF Dont use "THE". You sound like a tosser. Leave it for Nigel in BA. He/She does it best - and provides us all with a good laugh.
Anyway, pointless rant over.
'Qantas XX, (this is) Qantas XXX' - sounds fine to me.
If your in QF Dont use "THE". You sound like a tosser. Leave it for Nigel in BA. He/She does it best - and provides us all with a good laugh.
Anyway, pointless rant over.
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I hate it when people call the frequency 121.5 MHz "guard".
"Guard" is a programmable channel in military radios and can be any number of frequencies. This frequency is not necessarily 121.5 MHz.
My two cents worth is brief traffic on this frequency here and there is not too much of a problem. It's been happening for years and will happen for a long time to come.
Don't blame it all on QF et al as most of the trafic I have heard on 121.5 has been military. Rather than baging the industry for monitoring a frequency for the good of all, how about thanking the industry for doing so, and accept that that the result of this monitoring might mean that ppl call each other on it from time to time.
If ppl stop monitoring 121.5 MHz in favor of listening to 123.45 MHz then you have made a decrease in the functionality of 121.5 MHz as a well monitored emergency channel which would be far worse than any purist idea of keeping the channel clear!!!
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"Guard" is a programmable channel in military radios and can be any number of frequencies. This frequency is not necessarily 121.5 MHz.
My two cents worth is brief traffic on this frequency here and there is not too much of a problem. It's been happening for years and will happen for a long time to come.
Don't blame it all on QF et al as most of the trafic I have heard on 121.5 has been military. Rather than baging the industry for monitoring a frequency for the good of all, how about thanking the industry for doing so, and accept that that the result of this monitoring might mean that ppl call each other on it from time to time.
If ppl stop monitoring 121.5 MHz in favor of listening to 123.45 MHz then you have made a decrease in the functionality of 121.5 MHz as a well monitored emergency channel which would be far worse than any purist idea of keeping the channel clear!!!
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Some of you guys really need to take a Bex and loosen up a bit!
I have been flying for over 20 years and have always heard 121.5 referred to as "guard". If I want to talk to another QF aircraft, I will attempt contact on 121.5 first because:
a) I don't want to congest or block the ATC frequency;
b) with ATC retrans, the other aircraft may not be in the same area as I am; or
c) I know that the other QF aircraft should be monitoring 121.5 on VHF2.
So, if I want to talk to them on 123.45, I attempt contact on guard first. For all those purists, calling it "guard" on the radio is also faster than saying "one two one decimal five".
Finally, to the original poster of this thread - don't generalise. From first-hand experience, I heard two Virgin Blue pilots having a very nice little chat on 121.5 out of Perth the other day, but I didn't start a thread saying "Virgin pilots using "guard" for a chat". Some pilots in all companies do do it, nobody should, end of story.
I have been flying for over 20 years and have always heard 121.5 referred to as "guard". If I want to talk to another QF aircraft, I will attempt contact on 121.5 first because:
a) I don't want to congest or block the ATC frequency;
b) with ATC retrans, the other aircraft may not be in the same area as I am; or
c) I know that the other QF aircraft should be monitoring 121.5 on VHF2.
So, if I want to talk to them on 123.45, I attempt contact on guard first. For all those purists, calling it "guard" on the radio is also faster than saying "one two one decimal five".
Finally, to the original poster of this thread - don't generalise. From first-hand experience, I heard two Virgin Blue pilots having a very nice little chat on 121.5 out of Perth the other day, but I didn't start a thread saying "Virgin pilots using "guard" for a chat". Some pilots in all companies do do it, nobody should, end of story.
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Gents
Military ATC and pilots both monitor 243 MHz. Any transmission on 243MHz activates an audio alarm in the ATC system which if it goes for more that 10 seconds must be reported and acted on as it may be a real emrgency.
The problem is 121.5 is 'paired' to 243 (2 x 121.5 = 243) so when you transmit on 121.5 it is picked up on 243 and activates the alarm.
At the end of the day 121.5 is an 'emergency' frequency not a 'chat' frequency and should be used as such.
Military ATC and pilots both monitor 243 MHz. Any transmission on 243MHz activates an audio alarm in the ATC system which if it goes for more that 10 seconds must be reported and acted on as it may be a real emrgency.
The problem is 121.5 is 'paired' to 243 (2 x 121.5 = 243) so when you transmit on 121.5 it is picked up on 243 and activates the alarm.
At the end of the day 121.5 is an 'emergency' frequency not a 'chat' frequency and should be used as such.
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Qantas or Virgin Blue it doesnt matter you are both as bad as each other!!!.....do us all a favour and quite the 121.5 chat sessions??......this is a typical Australian insular aviation thing......Iam embarresed to think Iam an Australian when I fly back into AUS airspace and hear all this C--- being utterd on 121.5.......Apart from (Nigel) the rest of the world does not have this problem!!!!!!
I was going to respond to this thread,then re read it a coupla times, then thought VINO betta idea. But hell !!! Bin with the white rat 16 years, NEVER heard "THE" on the airwaves except for birdseed, and chatting on 121.5 is not QF norm, but does happen, so why don't u heroes tell them to move on.....Hell I do.Bugga I DID respond on this thread!!!!!
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Okay, let's settle down a bit! 
Pullock and Three bars have got it just about right!
From a Maritime perspective, Channel 16 VHF is the Marine equivalent of 121.5 and is used as a calling and emergency frequency/channel. Having called xxx the next move is to call on a "working" channel or frequency and carry on the conversation.
In other words, use the "guard" frequency to establish comms ....then ....buggar orff! 
Pullock and Three bars have got it just about right!
From a Maritime perspective, Channel 16 VHF is the Marine equivalent of 121.5 and is used as a calling and emergency frequency/channel. Having called xxx the next move is to call on a "working" channel or frequency and carry on the conversation.
In other words, use the "guard" frequency to establish comms ....then ....buggar orff!
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(Z) Arrrrrrrrrrrrrggghhhhhhhh.........!!!!!!
Why is this simple concept SO SO SO hard to understand???
I give up, I'm never posting here again.
Why is this simple concept SO SO SO hard to understand???
I give up, I'm never posting here again.
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"Guard"..."Guarded", does it make a flying toss what type of radio set it is.......... it could be crystalised for all I care!!!
It dosnt make a single iota - 'cept the rubbish that comes from so called professional pilots on a freq that is primarily set up for emergency trans and retrans, not so that Billy Baxter can chat to Brian Brown when they are too far away from each other to chat on their own freq!
Tis of my understanding that QF (and I guess other operators also) have a string of ops freqs across Ozz.... If its that friggin important, a call to the closest company ops from QFXX on company freq, then ask them to call the ops in the other part of the country that QFYY sould be in, and ask politely to relay the message - betya now that message has just lost its importance!!
I think in a day and age when we are alot more advanced in communication systems than say 10, 20, or 30 years ago, we have lost sight of two fundamental professional issues here:
1) AIRMANSHIP,
2) RADIO ETIQUETTE
My two cents again............ BTW, Hows the WX in L.A.?
It dosnt make a single iota - 'cept the rubbish that comes from so called professional pilots on a freq that is primarily set up for emergency trans and retrans, not so that Billy Baxter can chat to Brian Brown when they are too far away from each other to chat on their own freq!
Tis of my understanding that QF (and I guess other operators also) have a string of ops freqs across Ozz.... If its that friggin important, a call to the closest company ops from QFXX on company freq, then ask them to call the ops in the other part of the country that QFYY sould be in, and ask politely to relay the message - betya now that message has just lost its importance!!
I think in a day and age when we are alot more advanced in communication systems than say 10, 20, or 30 years ago, we have lost sight of two fundamental professional issues here:
1) AIRMANSHIP,
2) RADIO ETIQUETTE
My two cents again............ BTW, Hows the WX in L.A.?
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So did someone say something they weren't supposed to on this aforementioned "Guard" frequency or were they relaying a message from ATC to another aircraft because the VHF coverage in some parts of the country are so poor. And re the comment about monitoring 123.45, who monitors a chat frequency? I mean honestly are you for real. The other comment I would like to offer for consideration is that there are more aviators and companys out there than just the company copping the blagging that are regularly heard passing wx info back and fwds on 121.5 More so at night than during the day but seriously, as long as its not a long winded conversation about who shagged who and its operationally required to pass or recieve the information who gives a ....................
