QF LAME stood down over OT bans
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Ironically the ALAEA was set up many years ago, because the Unions at the time that represented LAMEs, did not understand the needs etc of the LAMEs.
In hindsight, things might have been better staying with the real Unions, at least they wouldn't have become stooges of the Employers.
In hindsight, things might have been better staying with the real Unions, at least they wouldn't have become stooges of the Employers.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
The ALAEA might still be the correct vehicle, pm2 - it might just need an EGM to replace some of the current drivers to stop the tail wagging the dog.
Unfortunately, that (EGM) takes time.
Unfortunately, that (EGM) takes time.
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It was good originally, back in the 1970s and 1980s, but sadly it is not now.
I guess a lot of the problem is that the only people that go into running an outfit like that, are people looking to progress their own agendas, either politically or inside an Airline, or become a judge.
The LAMEs that originally went to a lot of trouble to start the ALAEA had good intentions, sadly they must be now turning in their graves at what is happening.
I guess a lot of the problem is that the only people that go into running an outfit like that, are people looking to progress their own agendas, either politically or inside an Airline, or become a judge.
The LAMEs that originally went to a lot of trouble to start the ALAEA had good intentions, sadly they must be now turning in their graves at what is happening.
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After this I may well be swimming with the fishes.
After reading all the different sites concerning the supposed O/T bans,I was quite amused to see that some people seem to think that all stations are onboard with this.Well I for one know this is different.
To start with, I have seen with my own eyes,LAMEs from both SIT and Base Maint doing overtime.These guys seem to think that just because the company isn't targeting them in the same way as the domestic brothers,and because they are not directly affected,that they should go about their merry little ways as normal.Generally these boys will be the first to ask LAMEs in other areas to support them when their crunch time comes.
So I will put it on the record that LAMEs in Sydney should forget their domestic/international prejudices and work together on this issue.Blokes have got to remember that there aren't too many ex-TAA/Australian Airlines guys left in Sydney anymore,and ultimately we are all on the same side.If the boys at SDT and at other ports are not doing O/T at the moment,then we should all think about why there is the current situation,and what you can do to support your bretheren.
e.g.The SIT mob have got to stop doing 1,2 and 4 hour o/t stay-ons and call ins.The Base guys have got to stop coming in to work the SDT aircraft on night time call ins and the SDT blokes have got to leave the BBJ/Poly alone if they are called in for O/T.In the short term it means that we guys who are on shift have to carry a heavier load,but in the long run it may pay back some good,equitable dividends for LAMEs.
And for the guy from CNS who stated that O/T was being c/o on or about 14/01/05 at SDT,then if this is true,it is understandable,as there is still a lot of loyal BD supporters amongst them on that particular gang.
So boys hang on tight,don't let the bast@rds wear us down and lets see where we are at come early February, even if the ALAEA exec won't stand by us.Hopefully they will be concentrating on the EBA properly.
After reading all the different sites concerning the supposed O/T bans,I was quite amused to see that some people seem to think that all stations are onboard with this.Well I for one know this is different.
To start with, I have seen with my own eyes,LAMEs from both SIT and Base Maint doing overtime.These guys seem to think that just because the company isn't targeting them in the same way as the domestic brothers,and because they are not directly affected,that they should go about their merry little ways as normal.Generally these boys will be the first to ask LAMEs in other areas to support them when their crunch time comes.
So I will put it on the record that LAMEs in Sydney should forget their domestic/international prejudices and work together on this issue.Blokes have got to remember that there aren't too many ex-TAA/Australian Airlines guys left in Sydney anymore,and ultimately we are all on the same side.If the boys at SDT and at other ports are not doing O/T at the moment,then we should all think about why there is the current situation,and what you can do to support your bretheren.
e.g.The SIT mob have got to stop doing 1,2 and 4 hour o/t stay-ons and call ins.The Base guys have got to stop coming in to work the SDT aircraft on night time call ins and the SDT blokes have got to leave the BBJ/Poly alone if they are called in for O/T.In the short term it means that we guys who are on shift have to carry a heavier load,but in the long run it may pay back some good,equitable dividends for LAMEs.
And for the guy from CNS who stated that O/T was being c/o on or about 14/01/05 at SDT,then if this is true,it is understandable,as there is still a lot of loyal BD supporters amongst them on that particular gang.
So boys hang on tight,don't let the bast@rds wear us down and lets see where we are at come early February, even if the ALAEA exec won't stand by us.Hopefully they will be concentrating on the EBA properly.
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Busboy, the problem with imposing this OT band across the board is the lack of communication between departments.
I know that base for one have not been approached to jump onboard..The boys and girls in a number of sections are hereing rumours but nothing substantial...Engineers must talk to friends in other sections, make them aware of these forums and get the word out to all areas...All LAMES across QF must be in...
Base rely on the engineers coming in on OT...But without more people being aware of what is going on, the OT sluts will keep coming..The more people that are made aware, the more these people will pressure those that continue to do OT to stop....
Engineers must also phone the ALAEA and put the pressure on them...We pay their bills...
So engineers reading this, tell mates about these forums.Get them to register and tune in for a FORUM 28/01/05.....
I know that base for one have not been approached to jump onboard..The boys and girls in a number of sections are hereing rumours but nothing substantial...Engineers must talk to friends in other sections, make them aware of these forums and get the word out to all areas...All LAMES across QF must be in...
Base rely on the engineers coming in on OT...But without more people being aware of what is going on, the OT sluts will keep coming..The more people that are made aware, the more these people will pressure those that continue to do OT to stop....
Engineers must also phone the ALAEA and put the pressure on them...We pay their bills...
So engineers reading this, tell mates about these forums.Get them to register and tune in for a FORUM 28/01/05.....
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Will those hangar and servicing OT chaps wake up now a portion of those 7000 jobs to go overseas will be theirs?
Bruce is still very cocky, but I must say he seems somewhat stressed. Its having no effect apparently.
Bruce is still very cocky, but I must say he seems somewhat stressed. Its having no effect apparently.
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sacked for posting on an internet forum? hahahahahahahaha, like that will ever happen!
QF's facing crippling staff shortages, and still they want to sack people for anon ramblings on an internet forum!
QF's facing crippling staff shortages, and still they want to sack people for anon ramblings on an internet forum!
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Take your best shot Mr Potato Head we're ready, several years of relentless degradation and bullying has produced a defiant and beligerent LAME workforce.
If you don't know of the cause brothers you've been head down ass up (for the boss most likely).
Cause and effect gentlemen its gettin to em MPH has already begun bullying oh I mean information meetings in Syd.
If you don't know of the cause brothers you've been head down ass up (for the boss most likely).
Cause and effect gentlemen its gettin to em MPH has already begun bullying oh I mean information meetings in Syd.
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ALAEA plans revealed- If history is a thing of the past and we should put the past behind us, we must never forget. History is a valuable tool to gauge the future and we must learn from it. Now let’s learn about the week ahead.
A member in Melbourne has been stood down for inciting overtime bans. Completely unfounded according to those who have seen the evidence and more of a punishment to the individual for speaking out lately about separate ALAEA matters.
The ALAEA will come to the rescue of Paul and miraculously win back his employment. It will come at a price, the airline will only reinstate him if the overtime bans cease. If things go to plan a notice will be drawn up by this Friday demanding members work a reasonable amount of overtime or face disciplinary action from Qf without ALAEA backing.
The suspended member is now a hostage held at ransom by the airline and union. They have a common gaol, sorry goal, and that’s where they’re all headed.
Kaptin M – The end of the week may be too late for Oldmeadow.
A member in Melbourne has been stood down for inciting overtime bans. Completely unfounded according to those who have seen the evidence and more of a punishment to the individual for speaking out lately about separate ALAEA matters.
The ALAEA will come to the rescue of Paul and miraculously win back his employment. It will come at a price, the airline will only reinstate him if the overtime bans cease. If things go to plan a notice will be drawn up by this Friday demanding members work a reasonable amount of overtime or face disciplinary action from Qf without ALAEA backing.
The suspended member is now a hostage held at ransom by the airline and union. They have a common gaol, sorry goal, and that’s where they’re all headed.
Kaptin M – The end of the week may be too late for Oldmeadow.
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"i cant work Ot because i have to pick up my daughter from day care, but if i refuse, i might get suspended" = lost sleep, fatigue, inability to concentrate properly.
see a doctor as the stress of this situation might cause an accident that could cost lives.
see a doctor as the stress of this situation might cause an accident that could cost lives.
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Weve now suspended pct courses to the lames involved in the bans and if they dont stop type courses comes next. You fools is doing irepairable damage to the good name of the alaea and lames in general and it must stop.
The lame doesnt need to sign that preflite check anyway and its been approved by CASA so I dont see what the problem is. They dont sign it at Virgin and Jetstar and everywere in the world so just get over yourselves and take a reality check. Why dont you all just pull your heads in and start working with your union. Follow there lead and work with Qantas to make our airline viable in the short and long term.
The lame doesnt need to sign that preflite check anyway and its been approved by CASA so I dont see what the problem is. They dont sign it at Virgin and Jetstar and everywere in the world so just get over yourselves and take a reality check. Why dont you all just pull your heads in and start working with your union. Follow there lead and work with Qantas to make our airline viable in the short and long term.
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The lame doesnt need to sign that preflite check anyway and its been approved by CASA so I dont see what the problem is. They dont sign it at Virgin and Jetstar and everywere in the world so just get over yourselves and take a reality check.
Mr.Qantas is scared he is going to be replaced by an Indian. Let me give you a little advice; no matter how much you toady to management, you can expect nothing in return. In fact,your unpopularity with your staff will make you the first to be made redundant.
And unless you all act together - pilots flight attendants and ground staff, to severly and quickly jolt Dixon out of his comfort zone,you will all lose.
And unless you all act together - pilots flight attendants and ground staff, to severly and quickly jolt Dixon out of his comfort zone,you will all lose.
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O/T bans are now only going to contribute to the company's resolve in moving more jobs away from the core company and into 'safe' contracted jobs where industrial action has less impact on product.
While they'll acknowlege that LAME's are a necessary evil, the impact that these remaining LAME's will have will be reduced to finding defects when the aircraft have stopped operating for the day.
Maintaining jobs at QF should be of paramount importance to all. Once again, I would ask if someone could LOGICALLY (not emotionally) explain to me how the Jetstar product will NOT have an effect on Domestic operations and thus employment, how we can fight the 'no engineer transit' when it has already been approved by FAA and JAR and is already in the approved QF procedures, and finally how O/T bans are going to help maintain of improve the prospect of further employment with QF.
I ask in hope of just ONE logical arguement.
While they'll acknowlege that LAME's are a necessary evil, the impact that these remaining LAME's will have will be reduced to finding defects when the aircraft have stopped operating for the day.
Maintaining jobs at QF should be of paramount importance to all. Once again, I would ask if someone could LOGICALLY (not emotionally) explain to me how the Jetstar product will NOT have an effect on Domestic operations and thus employment, how we can fight the 'no engineer transit' when it has already been approved by FAA and JAR and is already in the approved QF procedures, and finally how O/T bans are going to help maintain of improve the prospect of further employment with QF.
I ask in hope of just ONE logical arguement.
I would have thought the real issue is mintaining Qantas's brand image. there appear to be two components to this
- its reputation as having a laid back friendly Australian style cabin staff, and associated service levels.
- its reputation for safety.
Dixon's changes put both of these at risk in my opinion, not that change is not needed, it obviously is.
O/S cabin staff do not have the capability to provide the type of service that Qantas was world renowned for in the 1970's
I will give you an example - I once watched a Qantas steward at LHR in about 1977 engage with a family of Poms migrating to Australia. It was obvious that Mum and Dad were a bit unsure of their decision and the kids were apprehensive too as they buckled up. The steward sussed out their situation and spent a lot of time putting them at ease and talking about their plans with them. totally disarmed and charmed the kids "you lot, orange juice- liquid Australian sunshine get it in yer" and so on. New crew did likewise. It just made you proud.
2. Qantas has a safety record that was not produced by good luck. My guess is that Dixon and Co. are now relying on luck. probably following the U.S. "buy it and fly it" minimum maintenance model. I guess Dixon never read Feynemans appendix to the Challenger disaster report. Just because it hasn't happened yet, dosn't mean it can't happen.
In the U.S. now, smart companies use an audit of organisational health and capability performed by consultants before and after the reign of a CEO to accurately measure what a CEO has contributed. The purpose of this is to ensure that a CEO does not maximise his own bonus and wealth by short term thinking that leaves a shattered wreck of a corporation behind him.
I regret to say that every one of Dixon's strategies has the hallmark of very short term thinking that will grievieously hurt the organisation.
The correct task of a CEO is to maximise shareholder value IN THE LONG TERM.
- its reputation as having a laid back friendly Australian style cabin staff, and associated service levels.
- its reputation for safety.
Dixon's changes put both of these at risk in my opinion, not that change is not needed, it obviously is.
O/S cabin staff do not have the capability to provide the type of service that Qantas was world renowned for in the 1970's
I will give you an example - I once watched a Qantas steward at LHR in about 1977 engage with a family of Poms migrating to Australia. It was obvious that Mum and Dad were a bit unsure of their decision and the kids were apprehensive too as they buckled up. The steward sussed out their situation and spent a lot of time putting them at ease and talking about their plans with them. totally disarmed and charmed the kids "you lot, orange juice- liquid Australian sunshine get it in yer" and so on. New crew did likewise. It just made you proud.
2. Qantas has a safety record that was not produced by good luck. My guess is that Dixon and Co. are now relying on luck. probably following the U.S. "buy it and fly it" minimum maintenance model. I guess Dixon never read Feynemans appendix to the Challenger disaster report. Just because it hasn't happened yet, dosn't mean it can't happen.
In the U.S. now, smart companies use an audit of organisational health and capability performed by consultants before and after the reign of a CEO to accurately measure what a CEO has contributed. The purpose of this is to ensure that a CEO does not maximise his own bonus and wealth by short term thinking that leaves a shattered wreck of a corporation behind him.
I regret to say that every one of Dixon's strategies has the hallmark of very short term thinking that will grievieously hurt the organisation.
The correct task of a CEO is to maximise shareholder value IN THE LONG TERM.
