DJ aircraft to Phuket for evacuation
Ralph, cactus jack,
You won't find many who will support your comments I am afraid. Any offer to assist in a calamity such as this should be seen as a gesture of goodwill, the fact that only 14 people took up dj's offer for the flight home is a sad reminder of how many are prepared to remain in Phuket to search for their missing loved one's.
Get over the dj thing mate and have a little bit of respect and decency...
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You won't find many who will support your comments I am afraid. Any offer to assist in a calamity such as this should be seen as a gesture of goodwill, the fact that only 14 people took up dj's offer for the flight home is a sad reminder of how many are prepared to remain in Phuket to search for their missing loved one's.
Get over the dj thing mate and have a little bit of respect and decency...
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Moderate, Modest & Mild.
If your theories are correct, Ralph and Cactus Jack, we should see JetStar and Australian jumping on the PR bandwagon as well then!!
Why can't Virgin Blue's gesture of goodwill be taken in the spirit in which it has been given.
Do you guys (Ralph and CJ) always have devious, ulterior motives for your actions?
Why can't Virgin Blue's gesture of goodwill be taken in the spirit in which it has been given.
Do you guys (Ralph and CJ) always have devious, ulterior motives for your actions?
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I, like everyone, am appalled at the devastation and suffering being felt by our near neighbours.
We all have the ability to help in significant ways.
Some of the QF guys on Qrewroom have started the ball rolling re donations. My donation is on the way.
Qantas has only to call and I will operate any relief flight on a voluntary basis. I have let them know that.
I hope PPRuner's give what they can; we belong to a demographic that can generally afford to be more generous.
... and just for once can we cut the QF v DJ BS?
We all have the ability to help in significant ways.
Some of the QF guys on Qrewroom have started the ball rolling re donations. My donation is on the way.
Qantas has only to call and I will operate any relief flight on a voluntary basis. I have let them know that.
I hope PPRuner's give what they can; we belong to a demographic that can generally afford to be more generous.
... and just for once can we cut the QF v DJ BS?
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Those most appreciative are the Canberra Federal pollies who did not have their commute disrupted by a reallocation of a RAAF VIP aircraft.
A RAAF VIP aircraft sufficient to get an initial team to Phuket , quick turnaround as ramp space critical as the real business the widebodies, fly out any nationals immediatly available.
Virgin Blue saved the government the cost of sending a VIP aircraft; which is commendable as long as not an advertising guise.
Incidentally and without distasteful media publicity. Airlines of the region are doing their bit by upgrading capacity and maintaining schedule into Phuket- the widebodies bringing in essential supplies.
The RAAF and QANTAS have the capability and experience to provide significant disaster relief in the coming weeks. Airdrops, medical teams and widebody freight capacity etc.
Those most appreciative are the Canberra Federal pollies who did not have their commute disrupted by a reallocation of a RAAF VIP aircraft.
A RAAF VIP aircraft sufficient to get an initial team to Phuket , quick turnaround as ramp space critical as the real business the widebodies, fly out any nationals immediatly available.
Virgin Blue saved the government the cost of sending a VIP aircraft; which is commendable as long as not an advertising guise.
Incidentally and without distasteful media publicity. Airlines of the region are doing their bit by upgrading capacity and maintaining schedule into Phuket- the widebodies bringing in essential supplies.
The RAAF and QANTAS have the capability and experience to provide significant disaster relief in the coming weeks. Airdrops, medical teams and widebody freight capacity etc.
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Inadvertently, Kapt M has hit the nail on the head. He said:
What spirit is that Kapt? Don't bother answering.
Therein lies the point begging to be made. This is an awful catastrophe, the likes of which I have never seen and never hope to see. So why does VB now continue their "publicity at all costs" campaign...? The very fact that they would do so is even more appalling, just as any vulture waiting to cash in on this tragedy.
PS. My donation is on the way. My services are available on a voluntary basis too. But I won't get any advertising out of it. Get the point yet, Godfrey?
Why can't Virgin Blue's gesture of goodwill be taken in the spirit in which it has been given.
Therein lies the point begging to be made. This is an awful catastrophe, the likes of which I have never seen and never hope to see. So why does VB now continue their "publicity at all costs" campaign...? The very fact that they would do so is even more appalling, just as any vulture waiting to cash in on this tragedy.
PS. My donation is on the way. My services are available on a voluntary basis too. But I won't get any advertising out of it. Get the point yet, Godfrey?
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Can I suggest to all those involved in the QF vs DJ vs Media publicity arguments/discussions do me a favour.
Go to the loungeroom.
Turn on your TV.
Look at the tens of thousands of fatalities.
Look at the millions of people homeless/displaced.
Surely your inane little points of view pale into insignificance when you realise that there are people out there in the world with REAL problems.
End rant.
Go to the loungeroom.
Turn on your TV.
Look at the tens of thousands of fatalities.
Look at the millions of people homeless/displaced.
Surely your inane little points of view pale into insignificance when you realise that there are people out there in the world with REAL problems.
End rant.
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Sinala
Real Estate agents in Phuket are being inundated with foreign real estate enquiries.
Share markets are reacting, corporate advertising through goodwill gestures etc.
Some of your money may go to corrupt Army officials or withered away in the bureaucracy of charity and government.
The human spirit will prevail, the cynicism will sort out those who can really help and push away those with ulterior motives or those who mean well, but get in the way.
By the way, how charitable have the OPEC nations been?
Real Estate agents in Phuket are being inundated with foreign real estate enquiries.
Share markets are reacting, corporate advertising through goodwill gestures etc.
Some of your money may go to corrupt Army officials or withered away in the bureaucracy of charity and government.
The human spirit will prevail, the cynicism will sort out those who can really help and push away those with ulterior motives or those who mean well, but get in the way.
By the way, how charitable have the OPEC nations been?
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Already sent a cq. to Community Aid Abroad, a charitable organisation whose senior managers are paid $10, 000 pa. This is in contrast to a well-known charity that spends $millions on advertising and supplies company Benz's to those at the top. It is a sad facet of this world that charities have become big business.
There is a well known Australian business figure who is renowned as a hard case. He is also one of the greatest living philanthopists and has helped the lives of thousands of people, yet he seeks to keep quiet about this and seeks no consequential glory. He is a man that will hold my life long respect, unlike those that noisily broadcast their "good works". If DJ and QF had no desire to gain from this calamity, why would they make these PR statements. Nether the less, I'm sure that their input is valued by those who need it. I never suggested otherwise.
I have no ulterior motives and I am unappolligetic if I hold the capacty to detect when someone else does.
There is a well known Australian business figure who is renowned as a hard case. He is also one of the greatest living philanthopists and has helped the lives of thousands of people, yet he seeks to keep quiet about this and seeks no consequential glory. He is a man that will hold my life long respect, unlike those that noisily broadcast their "good works". If DJ and QF had no desire to gain from this calamity, why would they make these PR statements. Nether the less, I'm sure that their input is valued by those who need it. I never suggested otherwise.
I have no ulterior motives and I am unappolligetic if I hold the capacty to detect when someone else does.
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tryin to do my bit
i advised crewing yesterday that i am keen to help out in any way. they asked all short haul crew if they would volunteer on these flights, i rang up immediately.
whoever ends up crewing these flights good luck to them, i can only imagine the sadness the passengers will feel coming home.
apparently loads of crews have put their hand up, and its so nice to see that in this day and age, deep down people will drop everythin to help out in a crisis.
whoever ends up crewing these flights good luck to them, i can only imagine the sadness the passengers will feel coming home.
apparently loads of crews have put their hand up, and its so nice to see that in this day and age, deep down people will drop everythin to help out in a crisis.
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Geesh! there are some sick people on this thread.
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Qantas plane returns from Phuket
December 30, 2004
A QANTAS jet with a medical team on board will arrive in Sydney today, bringing home Australians who were stranded in Phuket after the catastrophic tsunami.
A Qantas spokeswoman said the plane, due to touch down about 9am (AEDT), was carrying 40 passengers.
Two passengers were on stretchers and four in wheelchairs, she said.
"A Qantas doctor and nurse are on board," she said.
Many Australians have already left Thailand on commercial flights, while others were staying on in the stricken country to help tsunami victims, the spokeswoman said.
Ambulance officers and medical and mental health professionals would be at Sydney Airport to offer support to the disaster survivors, NSW Health Minister Morris Iemma said today.
Qantas will also operate a special relief flight today to Male in the Maldives and Colombo in Sri Lanka.
The flight will carry medical teams and equipment to both Male and Colombo, and return passengers to Australia from Colombo.
The airline will also provide refunds without penalty to customers booked on Qantas flights to the affected areas departing up to January 31, as well as offering the option of deferring their travel without penalty.
Qantas will donate $1 million to UNICEF, CARE Australia, Oxfam and World Vision to assist in their tsunami relief efforts.
AAP
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AAP
Qantas plane returns from Phuket
December 30, 2004
A QANTAS jet with a medical team on board will arrive in Sydney today, bringing home Australians who were stranded in Phuket after the catastrophic tsunami.
A Qantas spokeswoman said the plane, due to touch down about 9am (AEDT), was carrying 40 passengers.
Two passengers were on stretchers and four in wheelchairs, she said.
"A Qantas doctor and nurse are on board," she said.
Many Australians have already left Thailand on commercial flights, while others were staying on in the stricken country to help tsunami victims, the spokeswoman said.
Ambulance officers and medical and mental health professionals would be at Sydney Airport to offer support to the disaster survivors, NSW Health Minister Morris Iemma said today.
Qantas will also operate a special relief flight today to Male in the Maldives and Colombo in Sri Lanka.
The flight will carry medical teams and equipment to both Male and Colombo, and return passengers to Australia from Colombo.
The airline will also provide refunds without penalty to customers booked on Qantas flights to the affected areas departing up to January 31, as well as offering the option of deferring their travel without penalty.
Qantas will donate $1 million to UNICEF, CARE Australia, Oxfam and World Vision to assist in their tsunami relief efforts.
AAP
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For God's sake -
The most cataclysmic human disaster in our lifetimes, and some people choose this time as a vehicle to vent their spleen on those that are actively helping and doing what we are not able to??
Get a bloody grip you tiny minded little people!!!
Good on DJ - and QF
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Ego removal required at PPRuNe -STAT.
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The most cataclysmic human disaster in our lifetimes, and some people choose this time as a vehicle to vent their spleen on those that are actively helping and doing what we are not able to??
Get a bloody grip you tiny minded little people!!!
Good on DJ - and QF
(gets off bike, kicks same over and walks away)
Ego removal required at PPRuNe -STAT.
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Well said EWL....
people like Cactus jack need to get a life....
rest assured if I had a 737 at my disposal I'd be sending it.....
Thai Airways has also freed up tonnes of cargo space... but you don't seem to be criticising them for 'publicity stunts'. Maybe because the airline in question is DJ? Get real.....
Maybe instead of spending time bashing people's efforts on here you could go to the bank and donate some money instead....
And as for QF 'publisising' their donation - maybe they have done it so people will get off their case for 'not donating'.... hmmmm?
Let's focus on the real problem here - the people affected by this unprecedented tragedy
people like Cactus jack need to get a life....
rest assured if I had a 737 at my disposal I'd be sending it.....
Thai Airways has also freed up tonnes of cargo space... but you don't seem to be criticising them for 'publicity stunts'. Maybe because the airline in question is DJ? Get real.....
Maybe instead of spending time bashing people's efforts on here you could go to the bank and donate some money instead....
And as for QF 'publisising' their donation - maybe they have done it so people will get off their case for 'not donating'.... hmmmm?
Let's focus on the real problem here - the people affected by this unprecedented tragedy
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One of the worlds worst ever natural disasters, and all some can do is whinge about Dj or QF and publicity! sure, live in your sheltered little worlds! too scared to live in the real one!!
14 people returned on DJ, so what!
if i was there, and survived and healthy, i would stay back and help to the best of my abilities! as im sure many others are!
are you sure you are not part of the little whinging group in thailand that complained the government hadnt done enough to get THEM out ASAP!!! let see, 100,000 or more dead! the earth permanently effected by spinning faster, added wobble to its rotation, and you still complain your not at home in bed fast enough while millions others have NOTHING to go home to!
wake up and look at the world beyond your windows and your tiny selfish minds!
14 people returned on DJ, so what!
if i was there, and survived and healthy, i would stay back and help to the best of my abilities! as im sure many others are!
are you sure you are not part of the little whinging group in thailand that complained the government hadnt done enough to get THEM out ASAP!!! let see, 100,000 or more dead! the earth permanently effected by spinning faster, added wobble to its rotation, and you still complain your not at home in bed fast enough while millions others have NOTHING to go home to!
wake up and look at the world beyond your windows and your tiny selfish minds!
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Cactus Jack
I use to respect your opinions on every subject you posted on. Now, I think you have become a bitter, twisted piece of vermin and don't deserve to comment on anything.
You have turned the biggest human tragedy in our lifetime in to a bitching session over a supposed "publicity stunt" by DJ.
It was an act of human kindness you putrid little man and I hope the same fate befalls you and your family as has done to the 80,000+.
Don't bother ever posting again and crawl back under your secure little rock
I use to respect your opinions on every subject you posted on. Now, I think you have become a bitter, twisted piece of vermin and don't deserve to comment on anything.
You have turned the biggest human tragedy in our lifetime in to a bitching session over a supposed "publicity stunt" by DJ.
It was an act of human kindness you putrid little man and I hope the same fate befalls you and your family as has done to the 80,000+.
Don't bother ever posting again and crawl back under your secure little rock
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
I hope the same fate befalls you and your family as has done to the 80,000+.
Let's not get too carried away by something that is primarlily for recreational purposes (PPRuNe).
But by the same token, some of the posters ought to realise that - just like the Bali bombing - there are bound to be some people reading posts relevant to the Asian tsunami catastrophe, who are directly affected by this disaster - who have lost, or are are unsure of the whereabouts of loved ones.
It is NOT the time, nor place, to try to capitalise on petty obsessions.
It IS a case of "all hands on deck", and compassion, coupled with that famous Aussie mateship that unites us ALL during times such as these, which is how this thread started.
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Kaptin M - One thing we will always agree on I am sure is that we are Aussies first, and then pilot, bag snatcher, agent, flight attendant, LAME or whatever second. A true Aussie never uses the misfortune of others to push their own barrow.
Now that we have effictively advised the gentlemen concerned of our opinions, I would like to add a few shining lights (apart from our country's Airline efforts of course) that may be of interest.
My Agency had a couple booked to leave Wednesday night to HKT. They had been camping out bush in NSW and only returned home to Sydney late Tuesday night to hear the dreadful news.
0845 call - OK - phuket is out, how about Pattaya - we still want a holiday.
Rang Venture Holidays - No problems - how about the Hard rock Hotel? Yeah - cool - how much extra? Nothing - Please have them call in for new documents.
Rang Malaysia Airlines -No problems - reroute into BKK - How much? Nothing - have them call in for a reissue.
They rolled at around 2200 last night. I have never experienced such a seamless last second reorganisation, and boquets to the Airline and Wholesaler. I have one very happy client, despite the trauma that part of the world has suffered. Credit where credit is due.
best all
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Now that we have effictively advised the gentlemen concerned of our opinions, I would like to add a few shining lights (apart from our country's Airline efforts of course) that may be of interest.
My Agency had a couple booked to leave Wednesday night to HKT. They had been camping out bush in NSW and only returned home to Sydney late Tuesday night to hear the dreadful news.
0845 call - OK - phuket is out, how about Pattaya - we still want a holiday.
Rang Venture Holidays - No problems - how about the Hard rock Hotel? Yeah - cool - how much extra? Nothing - Please have them call in for new documents.
Rang Malaysia Airlines -No problems - reroute into BKK - How much? Nothing - have them call in for a reissue.
They rolled at around 2200 last night. I have never experienced such a seamless last second reorganisation, and boquets to the Airline and Wholesaler. I have one very happy client, despite the trauma that part of the world has suffered. Credit where credit is due.
best all
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Cactus Jack your assertions are the most disgusting thing I have had to read on this, or indeed any aviation site!
Did it totally escape your mind that perhaps media hype is not at the centre of all this? There are still now a thousand Australians unaccounted for......
VB responded to calls from it's staff as to what could be done to help. There are people at VB affected by the horrific events, I know, I work with one of them who is still now trying to locate his mother, father and sister.
I put you in the same category as the people who write in to the newspapers complaining about the "waste of Australian taxpayer money" on the relief efforts.
I sincerely hope to never have the displeasure of ever making your acquiantance.
Did it totally escape your mind that perhaps media hype is not at the centre of all this? There are still now a thousand Australians unaccounted for......
VB responded to calls from it's staff as to what could be done to help. There are people at VB affected by the horrific events, I know, I work with one of them who is still now trying to locate his mother, father and sister.
I put you in the same category as the people who write in to the newspapers complaining about the "waste of Australian taxpayer money" on the relief efforts.
I sincerely hope to never have the displeasure of ever making your acquiantance.
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Well, haven't my comments created a stir.
I would like to address the somewhat unreasonable posts above. Firstly my comments have not been fully received. Thats because the Woomeri have decided to selectively remove some of my posts. Thanks, Woomeri. Then, the Womeri decided to shut down my access under my original handle such that I have no further right of reply. Thanks again, Woomeri.
errr, nope. All done at the Pom end of the system. A signal to noise sort of thingy. You'll have to live with it. Regard to all, Rob Lloyd
Next, let me apologise if my comments have in any way offended. They were not intended to do so. Moreover, they were intended to question, to provoke thought.
Well stated, Ralph. Our critisisms do not mean for an instant that we are unaffected by what has happened, nor does it mean that we should close our eyes to all else that is happenning. That would be naive in the extreme.
Many out there, including on other threads on PPrune, have questioned our Government and their actions, or lack thereof. Yet, why is it that when a company which has a dubious track record in gaining publicity is questioned, the pro VB lobby howl like banshees?
Good comments, EWL, and I'm sure that all here agree with your sentiments. I just can't help wondering though, whether the initial reaction from a certain company did exactly that. They were pushing their own barrow. And I'm certain that there are others out there still doing it, and that may well include my own company.
I would hope that the company in question now digs very deep and proves me wrong with further offers of support, such as a corporate donation, more transport for victims etc. Time will tell, however apart from their initial effort of one aeroplane and one flight, nothing further has been forthcoming.
Extending on EWL's sentiments about "true aussies", I would suggest that we also question what we see in front of us. It is our nature not to accept EXACTLY what appears to be true. True Aussies dig deep, and give a mate a hand, consistently. They don't profit at the hands of anothers misfortune. Please, prove me wrong VB.
For the record (and please do not delete my comments this time, Woomeri), I have already donated and my time is available to my comany on a voluntary basis to assist. I would hope that others who have been so quick to critisise me are doing the same.
To those out there who are affected by this tragedy, my deepest and sincere condolences.
I would like to address the somewhat unreasonable posts above. Firstly my comments have not been fully received. Thats because the Woomeri have decided to selectively remove some of my posts. Thanks, Woomeri. Then, the Womeri decided to shut down my access under my original handle such that I have no further right of reply. Thanks again, Woomeri.
errr, nope. All done at the Pom end of the system. A signal to noise sort of thingy. You'll have to live with it. Regard to all, Rob Lloyd
Next, let me apologise if my comments have in any way offended. They were not intended to do so. Moreover, they were intended to question, to provoke thought.
I have no ulterior motives and I am unappolligetic if I hold the capacty to detect when someone else does.
Many out there, including on other threads on PPrune, have questioned our Government and their actions, or lack thereof. Yet, why is it that when a company which has a dubious track record in gaining publicity is questioned, the pro VB lobby howl like banshees?
A true Aussie never uses the misfortune of others to push their own barrow.
I would hope that the company in question now digs very deep and proves me wrong with further offers of support, such as a corporate donation, more transport for victims etc. Time will tell, however apart from their initial effort of one aeroplane and one flight, nothing further has been forthcoming.
Extending on EWL's sentiments about "true aussies", I would suggest that we also question what we see in front of us. It is our nature not to accept EXACTLY what appears to be true. True Aussies dig deep, and give a mate a hand, consistently. They don't profit at the hands of anothers misfortune. Please, prove me wrong VB.
For the record (and please do not delete my comments this time, Woomeri), I have already donated and my time is available to my comany on a voluntary basis to assist. I would hope that others who have been so quick to critisise me are doing the same.
To those out there who are affected by this tragedy, my deepest and sincere condolences.
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Balance I think the situation in question allows for a degree of emotive response.
I will defend to no end a persons right to hold their own opinion, whether i agree with it or not. However I will also continue to hold my own right to find the statements made by that person in a public forum, offensive, innapropriate or down right manipulatively scheming.
There were personal attacks made by certain persons to which I took great umbrage. And to suggest that any group, individual or organisation that gets of its arse to lend a hand is grand standing is utterly irrelevant.
It may interest you and many others that VB and QF are working together in this crisis. Assisting each other to make most effective use of airpower assets. If QF and VB can get over it all then so should we!
I do take offence to the suggestion that an idea put forward by staff of a company is treated with such implied contempt by someone. I reserve that right!
Cactus has appologised for upsetting anyone, and as always i take an appology seriously for it is not a simple thing to do.
But I do regret that an international disaster has proven itself on pprune to have developed to little more than a slanging match.
Note: you can count my posts on here on one hand, as i almost never feel passionate enough to make comment on threads.
For once I do !
Oh yeah, yup i do work for an airline (no prizes for guessing) and my partner works for the competitor, and they are all a great bunch, and many keenly willing to work with each other if it could help!
Phew thus endeth the torment for you!
Happy new year to you all.
I will defend to no end a persons right to hold their own opinion, whether i agree with it or not. However I will also continue to hold my own right to find the statements made by that person in a public forum, offensive, innapropriate or down right manipulatively scheming.
There were personal attacks made by certain persons to which I took great umbrage. And to suggest that any group, individual or organisation that gets of its arse to lend a hand is grand standing is utterly irrelevant.
It may interest you and many others that VB and QF are working together in this crisis. Assisting each other to make most effective use of airpower assets. If QF and VB can get over it all then so should we!
I do take offence to the suggestion that an idea put forward by staff of a company is treated with such implied contempt by someone. I reserve that right!
Cactus has appologised for upsetting anyone, and as always i take an appology seriously for it is not a simple thing to do.
But I do regret that an international disaster has proven itself on pprune to have developed to little more than a slanging match.
Note: you can count my posts on here on one hand, as i almost never feel passionate enough to make comment on threads.
For once I do !
Oh yeah, yup i do work for an airline (no prizes for guessing) and my partner works for the competitor, and they are all a great bunch, and many keenly willing to work with each other if it could help!
Phew thus endeth the torment for you!
Happy new year to you all.