Jetstar routes & 717 to Qantas Link
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Well, redhot. QF....MMM, wouldn't be my first choice, but at lest they pay the bucks. If i were you I would be thinking outside Aus. I would consider KA or CX very good places to work, especially CX as you can pretty well live in Aus if you must.
As I see it, both these companies pay well, the tax is good and they are both top notch airlines.
Good luck
As I see it, both these companies pay well, the tax is good and they are both top notch airlines.
Good luck
Chilli,
The Jetstar A320 pilots get considerably less than the Virgin737 pilots.
without allowances Virgin captains are getting in excess of 150 k per year.
Do a search of the awards on the net for the real info
The Jetstar A320 pilots get considerably less than the Virgin737 pilots.
without allowances Virgin captains are getting in excess of 150 k per year.
Do a search of the awards on the net for the real info
Assdama,
I would have thought a base salary of $129000 versus $150000 was "considerably less", particularly when comparing 75 hrs a month, which is what we typically do.
What can you put down on a housing loan application? Do you include overtime that you may or may not get - do you get it on leave or when off sick? No? then compare apples with apples...
You got to listen in them CRM courses 'bozo'
I would have thought a base salary of $129000 versus $150000 was "considerably less", particularly when comparing 75 hrs a month, which is what we typically do.
What can you put down on a housing loan application? Do you include overtime that you may or may not get - do you get it on leave or when off sick? No? then compare apples with apples...
You got to listen in them CRM courses 'bozo'
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which is what we typically do
If you have ever gotten a housing loan you would know that overtime is counted. From what i hear FO's are on close to 100 hours and Captains above 90 you silly little clown.
Adama
I have heard from sources inside J* of quite low wages.
It is very difficult to quantify, as out of embarrassment I imagine, Low Cost Pilots in Australia often add allowances, loss of licence insurance and other incidentals, to beef up their perceived gross salary.
Red Hot....
If you want to go home I have heard J* very short of crews.
Wherever you may be, can't be as bad as flying 900hrs a year and living in Sunbury!
rt4u
They do not accept their lot and after a few years become restless.
Low Cost Pilots are becoming aviation fifth columnists.
I have heard from sources inside J* of quite low wages.
It is very difficult to quantify, as out of embarrassment I imagine, Low Cost Pilots in Australia often add allowances, loss of licence insurance and other incidentals, to beef up their perceived gross salary.
Red Hot....
If you want to go home I have heard J* very short of crews.
Wherever you may be, can't be as bad as flying 900hrs a year and living in Sunbury!
rt4u
They do not accept their lot and after a few years become restless.
Low Cost Pilots are becoming aviation fifth columnists.
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"May I suggest you engage the brain, and auto thinking, and ask yourself why a 15 yr old in coles takes home more per hour than a jetstar f/o does."
Please tell me you are not suggesting that working in coles can be this lucrative. May I suggest you arm yourself with more accurate ammunition before shooting your mouth off. You do nothing but undermine your own argument with this garbage.
Please tell me you are not suggesting that working in coles can be this lucrative. May I suggest you arm yourself with more accurate ammunition before shooting your mouth off. You do nothing but undermine your own argument with this garbage.
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rtforu, you said - If i were you I would be thinking outside Aus.
You dont get it do you. I AM living outside of oz and I AM working for a big dollar carrier. But I, at some stage in the future (and like a lot of my work mates), would like the opportunity to return to oz. You know, my homeland. Where I was born and raised.
Gnad, you said - Wherever you may be, can't be as bad as flying 900hrs a year and living in Sunbury.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Since arriving in the great overseas, I have flown almost 1000 hours per annum and in one case, almost 110 hours in 30 days.
I cant see the building next to me because of the pollution and no amount of money in the bank will alter the fact that the airline I work for can sack pilots at the drop of a hat (and often does) for very little reason. Lawyers are very thin on the ground in this neck of the woods.
I will do what suits my family and myself, this is not intended to be a whinge at all.
BUT SUNBURY IS NOT LOOKING ALL THAT BAD RIGHT NOW.
Never thought I would say that!!!!
You dont get it do you. I AM living outside of oz and I AM working for a big dollar carrier. But I, at some stage in the future (and like a lot of my work mates), would like the opportunity to return to oz. You know, my homeland. Where I was born and raised.
Gnad, you said - Wherever you may be, can't be as bad as flying 900hrs a year and living in Sunbury.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Since arriving in the great overseas, I have flown almost 1000 hours per annum and in one case, almost 110 hours in 30 days.
I cant see the building next to me because of the pollution and no amount of money in the bank will alter the fact that the airline I work for can sack pilots at the drop of a hat (and often does) for very little reason. Lawyers are very thin on the ground in this neck of the woods.
I will do what suits my family and myself, this is not intended to be a whinge at all.
BUT SUNBURY IS NOT LOOKING ALL THAT BAD RIGHT NOW.
Never thought I would say that!!!!
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Assdama,
What you are trying to say is that a Jetstar Captain has to do at least 150 more hours that a Virgin Captain to have the same wage….
And as Jetstar don’t do overnights or very few there is no allowances unlike Virgin so I would say virgin are much better off comparatively… especially when one day Jetstar stops the overtime.
Ps I very much doubt if dehav works for Jetstar….
I really have to laugh at some of your posts do you drink a lot…..
What you are trying to say is that a Jetstar Captain has to do at least 150 more hours that a Virgin Captain to have the same wage….
And as Jetstar don’t do overnights or very few there is no allowances unlike Virgin so I would say virgin are much better off comparatively… especially when one day Jetstar stops the overtime.
Ps I very much doubt if dehav works for Jetstar….
I really have to laugh at some of your posts do you drink a lot…..
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Arcing up about guesses will get you no where.
Average captains wage flying about 95 hours a month about 150k. F/Os are on about 85k.
As for working in Coles. How much does that gig pay again? Do they do overnights? Where can I sign up.
DM
Average captains wage flying about 95 hours a month about 150k. F/Os are on about 85k.
As for working in Coles. How much does that gig pay again? Do they do overnights? Where can I sign up.
DM
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So Red Hot... What's your problem? If you so desperatly need to be back in Aus, why not just go!! But no, I guess you would rather be a miserable pain in the a#se and complain till the cows come in.
Do us Aussies all a favour, stay where ever you are!!
Do us Aussies all a favour, stay where ever you are!!
Keep it civil gent's.
Chilli Pepper does raise intersting issues.
Low Cost Pilots from Australia are, in not insignificant numbers, applying to airlines such as Cathay, Dragon & Emirates.
That Low Cost Pilots still find these expat positions attractive is bewildering- consider a 30% paycut due the weak USD, labour laws slewed toward big business and the challenges of the Sandpit and Hong Kong.
It is indicative of the poor conditions and professional naivity of this group.
Are they aware of struggles the above pilot groups are going through? The 49ers in CX, Dragon pilots having battles or the right, royal shafting at EK.
My advice to Low Cost Pilots in Australia- it may well be easier to improve your professional lot at home as opposed to taking the PERCEIVED easier and greener pastures option.
This is without even referencing family issues such as Mid East stability and Arabian neighbours, or choking pollution in HK.
Red Hot Chilli
Have you considered living in Broadmeadows? I here that is where most of th J* pilots reside- Sunbury getting too expensive.
Chilli Pepper does raise intersting issues.
Low Cost Pilots from Australia are, in not insignificant numbers, applying to airlines such as Cathay, Dragon & Emirates.
That Low Cost Pilots still find these expat positions attractive is bewildering- consider a 30% paycut due the weak USD, labour laws slewed toward big business and the challenges of the Sandpit and Hong Kong.
It is indicative of the poor conditions and professional naivity of this group.
Are they aware of struggles the above pilot groups are going through? The 49ers in CX, Dragon pilots having battles or the right, royal shafting at EK.
My advice to Low Cost Pilots in Australia- it may well be easier to improve your professional lot at home as opposed to taking the PERCEIVED easier and greener pastures option.
This is without even referencing family issues such as Mid East stability and Arabian neighbours, or choking pollution in HK.
Red Hot Chilli
Have you considered living in Broadmeadows? I here that is where most of th J* pilots reside- Sunbury getting too expensive.
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Gnadenburg
Not true. A first year S/O at CX is earning about the same gross as a first year F/O at DJ. After Tax and the other benefits such as housing at CX and KA you are way ahead. This is taking into account the very strong Aus dollar at 6:1. A first year JF/O at CX is about 50% better off gross and a first year F/O is about 100% better off gross. Again after tax and housing is taken into account someone in HK is way way out in front. You may ask why include housing? I have included it because you can use it to pay off a mortgage in Hong Kong. After five years this can amount to as much as AUD$430,000.00. This is with no capital gain. As property prices here are on the way up, it is quite feasible you could make substantially more.
Low Cost Pilots from Australia are, in not insignificant numbers, applying to airlines such as Cathay, Dragon & Emirates. That Low Cost Pilots still find these expat positions attractive is bewildering- consider a 30% paycut due the weak USD, labour laws slewed toward big business and the challenges of the Sandpit and Hong Kong.
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Can anyone confirm Jetstar has secured the 717 Qantaslink contract in the West ? A mate of mine in Brisbane just emailed me to say he has an interview with Jetstar - nothing unusual you all say. EXCEPT that two months ago he was advised his interview and application was unacceptable and thanks but no thanks! Has Jetstar had a change of policy or are they getting desperate for pilots - sorry Baz, don't mean it that way but you know what I mean.........SUPPLY and DEMAND ?
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swh - "May I suggest you engage the brain, and auto thinking, and ask yourself why a 15 yr old in coles takes home more per hour than a jetstar f/o does."
A 15 year old in coles has an hourly rate of between $14 and $15 at full time pay unless they are casual and have an hourly rate of between $16 and $17. Of course there is weekend loading but I don't see it being that much more.
Exactly how much is a J* F/O hourly rate?
A 15 year old in coles has an hourly rate of between $14 and $15 at full time pay unless they are casual and have an hourly rate of between $16 and $17. Of course there is weekend loading but I don't see it being that much more.
Exactly how much is a J* F/O hourly rate?
swh,
Do you know how many training credits a company receives per aircraft? I presume it would be negotiable, and not trying to justify the self-funding of training, but I wouldn't imagine it would cover the company's tech crew needs.
Secondly, normally your arguments do make some sense, but where did you pull the Coles/ J* wage comparison from??
Do you know how many training credits a company receives per aircraft? I presume it would be negotiable, and not trying to justify the self-funding of training, but I wouldn't imagine it would cover the company's tech crew needs.
Secondly, normally your arguments do make some sense, but where did you pull the Coles/ J* wage comparison from??
Guys...
What I said on page 1 of this post for an f/o "So after PAYE tax, medicare, your take home would be from ATO $37,869 and minus $33,500 endorsement fee, first year you take home $4,369, how much an hour will make (75 hrs a month = 900/yr) ? $4.85/hr !!!!!" which is less than any 15 yr old in coles earns after tax.
This of course does not include the cost of money if you have to borrow to get the funds required to pay for your endorsement.
J* F/O's apparently get $80/hr for every flight hour in excess of 75/month, however 75/month is 900/year
G .... Normal to get 10-12 training credits per aircraft, 5-6 crews.
chow babe
Training capts I have spoken to say they never get any overtime, and that hourly rate is only applicable if you fly over 75/hr a month, 75 hrs/month is 900 a year which is max.
I am also of the understanding that the 75 hrs does not include gound taxi, tech delays, holding, it is the computer generated standard flight plan "airswitch" times for each sector, if you do it quicker or slower you get the same rate.
Please correct me if I am wrong, however I understand that capts only get $7000 retention after serving a year, and f/os get 65% of that. VB does the same thing.
Seems the argument is at a stalemate, those who will only look before tax income, and those who look at how much money you would have at the end of the to feed the kids or play with.
What I said on page 1 of this post for an f/o "So after PAYE tax, medicare, your take home would be from ATO $37,869 and minus $33,500 endorsement fee, first year you take home $4,369, how much an hour will make (75 hrs a month = 900/yr) ? $4.85/hr !!!!!" which is less than any 15 yr old in coles earns after tax.
This of course does not include the cost of money if you have to borrow to get the funds required to pay for your endorsement.
J* F/O's apparently get $80/hr for every flight hour in excess of 75/month, however 75/month is 900/year
G .... Normal to get 10-12 training credits per aircraft, 5-6 crews.
chow babe
Training capts I have spoken to say they never get any overtime, and that hourly rate is only applicable if you fly over 75/hr a month, 75 hrs/month is 900 a year which is max.
I am also of the understanding that the 75 hrs does not include gound taxi, tech delays, holding, it is the computer generated standard flight plan "airswitch" times for each sector, if you do it quicker or slower you get the same rate.
Please correct me if I am wrong, however I understand that capts only get $7000 retention after serving a year, and f/os get 65% of that. VB does the same thing.
Seems the argument is at a stalemate, those who will only look before tax income, and those who look at how much money you would have at the end of the to feed the kids or play with.
swh
You are assuming that a new F/O with J* is writing this debt off in the first year. The reality is that they are writing it off over the term of their career. This is even more relevant if they borrow the money. Most people couldn’t pay a loan of this size off in one year. It would probably take six or seven. It would also be most interesting to know if new F/O’s are J* employees before they start their training and most importantly pay over the money. If they are, then the cost of the endorsement would be tax deductible. If though they aren’t then this avenue, like their DJ cousins isn’t open to them.
Don’t forget annual leave. I have no idea how many weeks they get but if they get six weeks, this leaves about 100 hours still available for overtime per year, assuming they are bound to 900 hours a year.
What I said on page 1 of this post for an f/o "So after PAYE tax, medicare, your take home would be from ATO $37,869 and minus $33,500 endorsement fee, first year you take home $4,369, how much an hour will make (75 hrs a month = 900/yr) ? $4.85/hr !!!!!" which is less than any 15 yr old in coles earns after tax.
J* F/O's apparently get $80/hr for every flight hour in excess of 75/month, however 75/month is 900/year
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No, Jetstar has not secured the contract in the west.They may still do so, but due to political considerations I doubt it.Expect an official Qantas announcement within the next ten day's.
Yes they are desparate for pilots as they have had the Qantas psych test foisted upon new hires and not too many people seem to be getting through the hoops.
They appear to be very short of pilots.The figure bandied about is 19 pilots short. Whether this is Jetstar wide or just on the 717 I am not sure.Many pilots have been rostered between 100 and 108 hours for the month of January on the 717.
If Jetstar gets the contract in the west it could cause some major concern inhouse as a lot of ex originals ie Impulse guy's could end up stuck on the 717 whilst new hires come in over the top of them onto the A320.This would only be in the short term as it appears Jetstar have big, big plans for the future.
The JPC (Jetstar Pilots Commitee) which has suffered from negative press within the ranks of the Jetstar pilots seem to be back in favour with some, as the new EBA they will be negotiating appears to be a lot better than the pilots expected from a JPC that initally appeared to be ready to roll over to management demands.One would hope so as Jetstar crew are not very happy of late and management would do well to heed the overwhelming sentiment expressed by the recent anonymous questionaire returned recently by many very unhappy employee's.
Stay tuned !
No, Jetstar has not secured the contract in the west.They may still do so, but due to political considerations I doubt it.Expect an official Qantas announcement within the next ten day's.
Yes they are desparate for pilots as they have had the Qantas psych test foisted upon new hires and not too many people seem to be getting through the hoops.
They appear to be very short of pilots.The figure bandied about is 19 pilots short. Whether this is Jetstar wide or just on the 717 I am not sure.Many pilots have been rostered between 100 and 108 hours for the month of January on the 717.
If Jetstar gets the contract in the west it could cause some major concern inhouse as a lot of ex originals ie Impulse guy's could end up stuck on the 717 whilst new hires come in over the top of them onto the A320.This would only be in the short term as it appears Jetstar have big, big plans for the future.
The JPC (Jetstar Pilots Commitee) which has suffered from negative press within the ranks of the Jetstar pilots seem to be back in favour with some, as the new EBA they will be negotiating appears to be a lot better than the pilots expected from a JPC that initally appeared to be ready to roll over to management demands.One would hope so as Jetstar crew are not very happy of late and management would do well to heed the overwhelming sentiment expressed by the recent anonymous questionaire returned recently by many very unhappy employee's.
Stay tuned !