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Old 24th Dec 2004, 09:50
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Qf LAME OT bans

It's on. The announcement by Qf this week has angered the engineers all over and the lack of union support will do little to stop the latest actions.

After QF announced its reluctance to finalise EBA negotiations and the meeting held with ALAEA executive members this week regarding the implementation of the 'No Engineer' transits for B737NG and A330 aircraft to begin on February 1st, a very strange thing has happened.....LAME's are taking action.

All across the network Engineers have found that a home life is much more valuable to them than the overtime they have chosen to do in the past. QF management time and time again has called the bluff of the ALAEA, fully aware of the assn's faith in the 'good nature'of negotiations.

The members on the floor on the other hand have had quite enough, and save waiting for ALAEA direction to carry out any work bans/industrial action (perish the thought) have taken it upon themselves to stop going out of their way to help their managers look good.

At worst it can demonstrate to the managers the value of the overtime carried out by their minnions (us) and at best it may help our EBA negotiators by putting pressure on managers to get guys back to doing overtime and clearing the already backlogged work.

The actions of these members HAS NOT been sanctioned by the ALAEA due to the nature of industrial law in this day and age, so if asked members have a multitude of different reasons as to why they are unavailable. When asked 'this is NOT a coordinated effort' (which it isnt).

I take my hat off to the individuals doing this, and I would encourage others to follow suit. We are not only fighting for our EBA, we are fighting for our JOBS and the safety of the travelling public at large.

A little effort from everyone does go a long way. Just ask the boys a SDT.
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And I don't blame them. I think all employees everywhere have had a gut-full of the so called 'cost cutting' era. In the long term, this will end up costing companies more then they bargained for!
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As long as the Airlines and Government don't consider bringing in Scab Yanks again!!!
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I totally support the ban - LAME's are a potentially powerful group in the industry, and it's time we stopped getting trodden on - all we have to do is stick together, and that's the hard part because mostof us are too wrapped up in the job. It is that that the airlines use against us constantly to lower our pay and conditions.
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Good luck.
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Old 25th Dec 2004, 09:32
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Just wondering why they make this announcement 1 week before Chrissy. OT bans will also be put in force at ADL for all it is worth. More important for us and every LAME is the "one defect per prefilght" theory. If every LAME writes up at least one defect per preflight the books will soon fill up with hold items. Work to rule and do not stop. It could save our jobs.
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Typical loose liped rubbish from a few troublemakers intent on causing disruption to the enginering business. We need to move with the times and compete with other low cost operaters like Virgin and Jetstar. If we dont we wont survive.

Nowone nows about this OT ban so your only kidding yourselves and grangstanding on this respected forum. Go back to your holes and pretend the lames are behind you. Most lames are suportive of the changes and the ALAEA have welcomed the move. You cant start an industrial campain on this website. Contact the union office and speak to the senior officials or better still contact the union office and resign. We dont want you.
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Old 27th Dec 2004, 09:17
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What a laugh.... sure thing Mr.QANTAS, the industry needs more of you!.............NOT

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"Typical loose liped rubbish from a few troublemakers intent on causing disruption to the enginering business. We need to move with the times and compete with other low cost operaters like Virgin and Jetstar. If we dont we wont survive."

Well Mr. Qantas, since the last time I looked, the direct operating costs of various aircraft types are pretty much fixed, why can't Qantas compete with low cost airlines like VB and Jetstar?

Might it have something to do with umpteen bloated layers of management and business practices modelled on United?

If you are going to lower your costs without compromising your safety "record" (although I hear from these forums that its not going to last), then might it not be wise to start with getting a competent board and CEO? Dixon's gratuitous slanging off at Hamilton Island residents is reason enough for his instant dismissal in my humble opinion.

To put it another way Mr. Qantas, what are YOU doing to lower Qantas's cost structure, including, if necessary, eliminating your own position?
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Spoert, they probably will not have to import septics. Have a look at the new LAME etc regs. Many of the jobs now done by LAMEs will be able to be done by AMS level people.
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Well, farqueue, aren't you a clever one. Of course the AME can do pretty much anything the LAME can, it's part of his training. No one would degrade the importance of an AME as your reply attempted to do to the LAME. The only reason the AME can't do the total package is the 'L' and with out that they can't do what a LAME does.

That is also why Qantas encourage all of their managers to stay current with their licenses because they realise the significants of the license. I am sure Mr Qantas would be one of these scabs who has forgotten his roots.

I know if this ever happens and I have a manager telling me it's O.K. to proceed, I will have to be dam well convinced he knows what he's talking about.

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Keep geussing fools I am no Qantas Manager. As much as I love my job I wouldnt take that step. To much of a pay cut from my job. It takes an extremly dedicated individual to move into a Management role on call 24/7 and no bonus for the added hours spent on weekends and nights reveiwing email, answering calls etc...

On the subject of overtime bans I warn the younger players that every lame MUST work a resonable amount of OT. Go and read your award boys before you follow in the footsteps of the Mexican s**t stirers. You will be asked and you will be required to assist when we need you.
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Old 28th Dec 2004, 08:22
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Good one Mr Q. Need some reasons not to stay back guys well here is just a few -


- I can't stay back I'm going out tonight
- I'm sorry I don't feel that well today
- This shift work has made me real tired
- I can't stay back for personal reasons
- I need to get back, the kids are home alone
- My wife has instructed me to cut back on the OT its effecting our relationship
- None of your fricken business
- I'm meeting with friends
- I don't like working for arrogant prigs like you


The list is endless.
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Mr Qantas,
How is it you say you are an LAME, it appears you would have difficulty passing a grade one spelling test, stop making a fool of yourself idiot!


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Old 28th Dec 2004, 09:10
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I can think of someone who can't spell and is a LAME and not a manager, but somewhere in between. He is definately not proffessional, nor does he respect those who are and therefore shuns their assistance during any negotiations.
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Old 28th Dec 2004, 09:13
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Is his name Tim?
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Old 28th Dec 2004, 09:29
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I make it a point of not divulging a persons true identity, masked goat rider.
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i think Mr Q is a Uni entrant manager! no real experience, and uses the phrase "we need to move with the times" more times than i go to the toilet per day!

and the award does NOT specify you MUST do overtime by law! your employment agreement requires you to do 8 Hrs service per day.
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Old 28th Dec 2004, 21:53
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and the award does NOT specify you MUST do overtime by law! your employment agreement requires you to do 8 Hrs service per day.
However the IRC has ruled on the subject of overtime.

It has said that the employee may turn down overtime where it would result in an employee working "unreasonable hours".

It then says that each case is different but must take into account the wishes of both the employee and employer.

Don't think for a moment QF wouldn't be straight off to the IRC for a ruling.
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Old 29th Dec 2004, 10:01
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The IRC can make any ruling it wants Daddy but if I can't come in to work on my day off, they can't force me to. I will have a genuine family commitment on any day they ask me. End of story.
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