Qf LAME OT bans
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Respectfully acknowledged.
Either way people will become less inclined to talk about what they're doing for fear of being singled out. That, I believe, has been the whole point of singling out at elast 1 LAME and possibly up to 3.
They are hurting over this, and responding the only way they've found effective in the past....threats and scare mongering.
Follow the lead of SDT a few years ago....they held out with the OT bans and WON. Fillipeto came into the lunchroom begging the guys to lift their bans and asked what it would take for them to commence OT again.
Apparently B.D. used the same tactics and threats back then too.
Either way people will become less inclined to talk about what they're doing for fear of being singled out. That, I believe, has been the whole point of singling out at elast 1 LAME and possibly up to 3.
They are hurting over this, and responding the only way they've found effective in the past....threats and scare mongering.
Follow the lead of SDT a few years ago....they held out with the OT bans and WON. Fillipeto came into the lunchroom begging the guys to lift their bans and asked what it would take for them to commence OT again.
Apparently B.D. used the same tactics and threats back then too.
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Just alot of confusion at the moment son of brake boy, the trusted fellow travellers I have spoken with since hearing about the situation this week have heard nare a whisper. The word is spreading though.
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Redstone is right. There was a lot of confusion around our work area as to what was going on and to what extent bans were being put on.
We've basically undertaken to not come in on days off, and not extend past our finsh times. People wanted to take it further, but it was decided that this would have to be up to the individual, but the no OT on days off and no extensions was non negotiable.
In light of developments in the last 24 hours, I think we'll be looking at increasing our reluctance to do anything outside the normal scope of our employ.
Unfortunately, money talks with these guys, and if we're not delaying aircraft they'll just brush it off. Very sad situation where we're looking to ground aircraft instead of keeping them flying, but if thats what it takes, I'm in.
Once all this is over, watch the backlog of work dissappear as guys return to doing what they do best, keeping aircraft flying, SAFELY.
We've basically undertaken to not come in on days off, and not extend past our finsh times. People wanted to take it further, but it was decided that this would have to be up to the individual, but the no OT on days off and no extensions was non negotiable.
In light of developments in the last 24 hours, I think we'll be looking at increasing our reluctance to do anything outside the normal scope of our employ.
Unfortunately, money talks with these guys, and if we're not delaying aircraft they'll just brush it off. Very sad situation where we're looking to ground aircraft instead of keeping them flying, but if thats what it takes, I'm in.
Once all this is over, watch the backlog of work dissappear as guys return to doing what they do best, keeping aircraft flying, SAFELY.
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If the employer is so disillusioned to believe that overtime is an essential part of the LAME duties and thinks he is obligated to do overtime as part of his contract. Then why is overtime or a component of overtime not included into their leave and superannuation.
Me thinks this dispute has opened up a new path in the negotiations for better pay as is always the case employers want it their way and are reluctant to see it from the other side.
When union executives are poached buy the employer and are put into positions of industrial relations there must also be some brain washing done to remove the memories of what it was like to be an employee only wanting a fair go.
Me thinks this dispute has opened up a new path in the negotiations for better pay as is always the case employers want it their way and are reluctant to see it from the other side.
When union executives are poached buy the employer and are put into positions of industrial relations there must also be some brain washing done to remove the memories of what it was like to be an employee only wanting a fair go.
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I have had an oppurtunity to read the postings on this site concerning the overtime bans in place at the moment in a few areas of line maintenance. Whilst I appreciate it may be an unpopular opinion, I would like to take the oppurtunity to post what I see as the REAL truth of our situation.
Firstly, with Jetstar looking to take over more of the traditionally QF domestic routes, the core domestic product is being reduced. This is a reality. With lower cost overheads, why wouldn't the QF board be looking to increase the Jetstar brand and reduce the high cost domestic operation.
Secondly, what is hoped to be achieved with these overtime bans? Come February 1 there will be a freeing up of manpower anyway, so all they have to do is weather the storm until then. There seems to be confusion as to whats going on with bans, and individuals are now taking the responsibility for the aspirations of a few.
Thirdly, the EBA we have been offered is purely reflective of the situation our airline is in at the moment. Whether you like it or not Jetstar is owned by QANTAS, but it ISNT QANTAS. We have to strive to be competitive not for managers bonuses, but to keep our jobs.
If you guys are seroius about keeping your jobs, you'll accept the EBA and finish the overtime bans that are only contributing to making the QF domestic operation unviable and unsustainable.
In responding, as I'm sure people will, try to see the reasoning in what I say. I'm sure eventually you will see the truth of my words.
Firstly, with Jetstar looking to take over more of the traditionally QF domestic routes, the core domestic product is being reduced. This is a reality. With lower cost overheads, why wouldn't the QF board be looking to increase the Jetstar brand and reduce the high cost domestic operation.
Secondly, what is hoped to be achieved with these overtime bans? Come February 1 there will be a freeing up of manpower anyway, so all they have to do is weather the storm until then. There seems to be confusion as to whats going on with bans, and individuals are now taking the responsibility for the aspirations of a few.
Thirdly, the EBA we have been offered is purely reflective of the situation our airline is in at the moment. Whether you like it or not Jetstar is owned by QANTAS, but it ISNT QANTAS. We have to strive to be competitive not for managers bonuses, but to keep our jobs.
If you guys are seroius about keeping your jobs, you'll accept the EBA and finish the overtime bans that are only contributing to making the QF domestic operation unviable and unsustainable.
In responding, as I'm sure people will, try to see the reasoning in what I say. I'm sure eventually you will see the truth of my words.
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Geez Mr Qantas oops Mr moment of clarity first came 9/11,then came sars,now jetstar and still the profits roll in.
You are truely showing your self as a stooge.
Engineers keep airlines running without them it dont.
Managment are needed to keep the airline running without them it dont ,eventually.
Ive said it before but Ill say it again.You should be ashamed to call yourself a LAME and devalue your trade the way you do.
Go to a corner and have a good think about what you are posting.
As far as the ALAEA is concerned Ive yet to see them do anything of value in the current climate .Great idea to stay quiet and accept things as they are.Lets do that.
You are truely showing your self as a stooge.
Engineers keep airlines running without them it dont.
Managment are needed to keep the airline running without them it dont ,eventually.
Ive said it before but Ill say it again.You should be ashamed to call yourself a LAME and devalue your trade the way you do.
Go to a corner and have a good think about what you are posting.
As far as the ALAEA is concerned Ive yet to see them do anything of value in the current climate .Great idea to stay quiet and accept things as they are.Lets do that.
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Mr Qantas,
Credit where credit is due.
Your spelling has improved.
Did someone buy you a dictionary for Christmas.
Or is it just Qantas are now writing down for you the crap they want you to say.
Credit where credit is due.
Your spelling has improved.
Did someone buy you a dictionary for Christmas.
Or is it just Qantas are now writing down for you the crap they want you to say.
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Moment of clarity - You hit the nail on the head. It is a competative enviroment and we need to compete with the competition or fold. The sooner the troublemakers realize this the better we'll all be.
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Please forgive MR QANTAS he has had one too many hash cookies and wouldnt have a clue what he is talking about..
The reality is the alaea is hopeless...QF engineers are been misrepresented, the division amongst the delegates is a disgrace.
PPRUNE is a great media to inform all about what is going on and should be used..QF brothers and sisters spread the word, the time is coming to pull together....F..k the division between sections that has been used to divide and conquer..We must unite and stand together..
The reality is the alaea is hopeless...QF engineers are been misrepresented, the division amongst the delegates is a disgrace.
PPRUNE is a great media to inform all about what is going on and should be used..QF brothers and sisters spread the word, the time is coming to pull together....F..k the division between sections that has been used to divide and conquer..We must unite and stand together..
