Qf LAME OT bans
Great Supervisory style; "Undesirables', "Mexicans".
Management must be chanting "Divide and Rule!", "Divide and Rule!" all the way to the bank.
This sounds like the classic situation where agendas are not aligned and managment knows how to drive a wedge between sectional interests.
The "mexicans" seem to have had enough BS. The "President wants his power and "close working relationship" with management. Mr. Qantas is scared that if anyone rocks the boat then middle managment (ie his good self) will get it in the neck when the work goes overseas.
Same question as before
1. What is the vision for the ALEA? WHere do you want to be in ten years time? Five years time? What would the organisation look like? Sound like? Feel Like?
2. Given the vision, where are the gaps between where you are today and where you want to be?
3. How are you going to bridge the gaps? Whats the immediate mission?
To fail to plan is to plan to fail.
Management must be chanting "Divide and Rule!", "Divide and Rule!" all the way to the bank.
This sounds like the classic situation where agendas are not aligned and managment knows how to drive a wedge between sectional interests.
The "mexicans" seem to have had enough BS. The "President wants his power and "close working relationship" with management. Mr. Qantas is scared that if anyone rocks the boat then middle managment (ie his good self) will get it in the neck when the work goes overseas.
Same question as before
1. What is the vision for the ALEA? WHere do you want to be in ten years time? Five years time? What would the organisation look like? Sound like? Feel Like?
2. Given the vision, where are the gaps between where you are today and where you want to be?
3. How are you going to bridge the gaps? Whats the immediate mission?
To fail to plan is to plan to fail.
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Mr Qantas- I cant believe you are a LAME how can you turn on your peers? you of all people should know the sacrifices LAMES make, you should be ashamed of yourself by devalueing your profession ALAEA A
I know of 3 in 1 workshop alone during the last EBA negs.
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The future plans of the ALAEA in 10 years, 5 years and 18 months are well in hand. Planning commenced 3 years ago and appear to be well ahead of schedule. You will be able to kiss goodbye the following -
The President
The Senior Vice President
The Trustees
The Assistant Federal Secretary
The Federal Secretary
The Staff Councillor
Uncle Bruce
Two office girls
The Industrial Manager
The Senior Industrial Officer
The pi$$ ups
Hidden Financial Records
The silence when members need information meetings
Late EBA negotiations
Unanswered phone calls
Unanswered letters
I could go on for hours but there is much work to be done. The immediate battle is on the tarmac where members are learning about unity. Something foreign to the ALAEA. Qf using the Senior ALAEA officials to drive wedges between us is a thing of the past.
The President
The Senior Vice President
The Trustees
The Assistant Federal Secretary
The Federal Secretary
The Staff Councillor
Uncle Bruce
Two office girls
The Industrial Manager
The Senior Industrial Officer
The pi$$ ups
Hidden Financial Records
The silence when members need information meetings
Late EBA negotiations
Unanswered phone calls
Unanswered letters
I could go on for hours but there is much work to be done. The immediate battle is on the tarmac where members are learning about unity. Something foreign to the ALAEA. Qf using the Senior ALAEA officials to drive wedges between us is a thing of the past.
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Mr Qantas,
Come the revolution (and it will come) you and your type will be the first ones to be biting the pillow, cause you're a wannabe. You want to play with the big boys but you'll never get the bonuses that your bosses get for shafting the people who do the real work around the place.
Do you think by posting on this forum that your buddies up top will remember you when the EBA negotiations are over and they've received their bonuses. (And they always do because whatever the outcome, the slime will have all sorts of formulas for justifying their existence)
Remember where you're from buddy, you can always change your circumstances but you can't change where you're from. Your 'mates' know where you're from and they laugh at how easy it is to manipulate clowns like you.
LAMES: 3% Increase when CPI is 3% ain't a wage rise, go hard fellas, good luck!
Come the revolution (and it will come) you and your type will be the first ones to be biting the pillow, cause you're a wannabe. You want to play with the big boys but you'll never get the bonuses that your bosses get for shafting the people who do the real work around the place.
Do you think by posting on this forum that your buddies up top will remember you when the EBA negotiations are over and they've received their bonuses. (And they always do because whatever the outcome, the slime will have all sorts of formulas for justifying their existence)
Remember where you're from buddy, you can always change your circumstances but you can't change where you're from. Your 'mates' know where you're from and they laugh at how easy it is to manipulate clowns like you.
LAMES: 3% Increase when CPI is 3% ain't a wage rise, go hard fellas, good luck!
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Maybe some Managers could........
At the very best, they might be able to check in a few customers, and load some bags. That is probably the limit of upper level management's capabilities.
But if the aircraft isn't going anywhere, even those token symbols are totally meaningless.
They are the drones in the beehives of aviation.
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Sunfish, You might be right some of the managers are ex Ansett.
It seems with all their lame brain ideas they still seem to keep themselves in a job.
Remember what brought on the demise of Ansett, it was Engineering or more importantly the bad management of Engineering. But then again what is the only division of the company that is still standing? Engineering they are there at the beginning and they will be there at the end.
It seems with all their lame brain ideas they still seem to keep themselves in a job.
Remember what brought on the demise of Ansett, it was Engineering or more importantly the bad management of Engineering. But then again what is the only division of the company that is still standing? Engineering they are there at the beginning and they will be there at the end.
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I hear on the grape vine that customer airlines are considering putting in their own staff, in Aus, until this issue has been resolved.
Can the ring leaders give an assurance that it won't effect customer aircraft?
Can the ring leaders give an assurance that it won't effect customer aircraft?
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Now that is real inteligent from you lot targeting customer aircraft. Just when you thought the Mexicans had reached rock bottom it seems that theyve set a new low. Pity any lame who wont extend there services/goodwill to our foraign customers. There is no way the Suprvisors I now will allow this to happen without stepping in and working the aircraft themselves. I'm sure that JV has herd about this unfettered disruption and I'm equally as sure that he will be looking for someone to make an example of. I just hope he is one of the Melbourne Executive members.
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hay mr qantas do you thunk we mite be bruthers? we spell abot as good as each other.
if theirs to much work for the lames shuldnt the priorerty be qf aircraft first - extra work (so called foreign customers) shuld be let go.
or more lames employed.
start "taking action" against individuals an you just increase the workload on the others evn more.
a piece of elasatic can be stretched only so far you now.
i serpose the drones in the beehive of qf are having there emergncy meatings this weekend.
it must be tramatic for them to have to work some o/t!
if theirs to much work for the lames shuldnt the priorerty be qf aircraft first - extra work (so called foreign customers) shuld be let go.
or more lames employed.
start "taking action" against individuals an you just increase the workload on the others evn more.
a piece of elasatic can be stretched only so far you now.
i serpose the drones in the beehive of qf are having there emergncy meatings this weekend.
it must be tramatic for them to have to work some o/t!
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Replace these terrible LAMEs with Management LAMEs, like that would work. 
I still remember vividly back in the early 1960s when I was an Apprentice, the then LAMEs in desperation went on one of the few strikes they ever had.
All of the Apprentices were FORCED (by Law) to work with these Management Engineers, most of whom held Licences.
Oh they were legally allowed to certify for the Aircraft, but the Apprentices had to show them EVERYTHING, and I mean literally everything, down to how to fuel the Aircraft and even how to change the cabin bulkheads.
I still remember vividly back in the early 1960s when I was an Apprentice, the then LAMEs in desperation went on one of the few strikes they ever had.
All of the Apprentices were FORCED (by Law) to work with these Management Engineers, most of whom held Licences.
Oh they were legally allowed to certify for the Aircraft, but the Apprentices had to show them EVERYTHING, and I mean literally everything, down to how to fuel the Aircraft and even how to change the cabin bulkheads.
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Letter sent to all Line Managers across the weekend....
Gents
In the past 2 weeks there has been a significant reduction in the amount of operational overtime worked by Line Maintenance staff. There has also been a significant reduction in the amount of staff making themselves available for operational overtime.
This has had an impact on Line Maintenance meeting its operational commitment to the airline.
If it becomes apparent that required manpower levels cant be obtained via operational overtime, the cancellation of 'Z' days must be considered and implemented to maintain appropriate levels of manpower. This is being driven by the fact that operational overtime needs are not being achieved.
Can you keep me advised when operational overtime levels begin to normalise so we can review this position.
Dont know anything about Overtime bans!
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In the past 2 weeks there has been a significant reduction in the amount of operational overtime worked by Line Maintenance staff. There has also been a significant reduction in the amount of staff making themselves available for operational overtime.
This has had an impact on Line Maintenance meeting its operational commitment to the airline.
If it becomes apparent that required manpower levels cant be obtained via operational overtime, the cancellation of 'Z' days must be considered and implemented to maintain appropriate levels of manpower. This is being driven by the fact that operational overtime needs are not being achieved.
Can you keep me advised when operational overtime levels begin to normalise so we can review this position.
Dont know anything about Overtime bans!
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That letter was personel property of the managers it was sent to and not a public notice. One can only imagine that we now have a rat in Management who leaks this information out. This has been deliberately posted to wind up the hand full of lames that still think there is an ot ban. Again I have not had any problem getting people in to work.
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Mr Q,
I don't think it is really PERSONAL property, probably meant to be secret for obvious reasons.
A "rat", hardly.
I would say more someone with ethics.
Kaptin M,
Basically, when the awards went from 40 hours a week down to 38 hours a week, instead of changing everything and having 2 hours extra off each week, most places have an extra day off each month.
Sometimes this is built in to a roster, sometimes you can have a day off when you want IF okay with the Employer.
I don't think it is really PERSONAL property, probably meant to be secret for obvious reasons.
A "rat", hardly.
I would say more someone with ethics.
Kaptin M,
Basically, when the awards went from 40 hours a week down to 38 hours a week, instead of changing everything and having 2 hours extra off each week, most places have an extra day off each month.
Sometimes this is built in to a roster, sometimes you can have a day off when you want IF okay with the Employer.
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Today B.D. contacted supervisors across the network.
He was his usual cheery self....swearing, threatening, angry....oh soo angry! The context of the 'conversation' went a little something like this....
If workers wish to continue making themselves unavailable for Overtime their access to 'Z' days will be altogether removed.
( Funnily enough not all departments get these 'Z' days and whilst they are unaccessable for the short term they still continue to build up ie. 1 per month. for those that do!)
All training will be cancelled
( He speaks as if there was a huge amount of training taking place as it is! No big loss there.)
Workers will have to change shift patterns to accomodate the lack of manpower.
( The lack of manpower demonstrated by the guys simply choosing not to work on their days off. Any change to roster MUST be approved by the workers affected, or the shift can be returned to a standard 8 hour roster. He thinks he has problems now....).
Aircraft being delayed now for any substantial period of time are being investigated (explaining ones self to management and other departments not uncommon).
Maybe he should start to consider what may happen if he really starts to p#ss the guys off! His tantrams and threats are remeniscent of the SDT Overtime bans a few years ago. Eventually management came begging the guys to lift their bans and asking what they wanted to make it happen. That was only one base..!
Keep fighting the good fight.
He was his usual cheery self....swearing, threatening, angry....oh soo angry! The context of the 'conversation' went a little something like this....
If workers wish to continue making themselves unavailable for Overtime their access to 'Z' days will be altogether removed.
( Funnily enough not all departments get these 'Z' days and whilst they are unaccessable for the short term they still continue to build up ie. 1 per month. for those that do!)
All training will be cancelled
( He speaks as if there was a huge amount of training taking place as it is! No big loss there.)
Workers will have to change shift patterns to accomodate the lack of manpower.
( The lack of manpower demonstrated by the guys simply choosing not to work on their days off. Any change to roster MUST be approved by the workers affected, or the shift can be returned to a standard 8 hour roster. He thinks he has problems now....).
Aircraft being delayed now for any substantial period of time are being investigated (explaining ones self to management and other departments not uncommon).
Maybe he should start to consider what may happen if he really starts to p#ss the guys off! His tantrams and threats are remeniscent of the SDT Overtime bans a few years ago. Eventually management came begging the guys to lift their bans and asking what they wanted to make it happen. That was only one base..!
Keep fighting the good fight.
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The lack of manpower demonstrated by the guys simply choosing not to work on their days off. Any change to roster MUST be approved by the workers affected, or the shift can be returned to a standard 8 hour roster. He thinks he has problems now....
It's hard to figure out what rules QF LAMEs are under as there appear to be about 57 different current agreements. Why don't you have one document that gets updated each time instead of tacking all these extra agreements on. Leaves you wide open for the employer to shaft you.