Qf LAME OT bans
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Take the overtime out of a LAME's pay, reduce his shift penalties, remove the pride he once had in his work and make it more difficult to get travel benefits? Really what's the point of going on and continuing to work for an airline.
My brother makes more money driving trucks and he is home with his family on weekends and nights. He doesn't have the stress of training ongoing every year and the threats from management wanting to re-invent the wheel, only to find out that when it aint broke don't fix it.
When a manager comes up with an idea that is reflected in changes to past work practises, does he get paid a bonus and when that idea eventually fails, does he have to pay it back? Or is he the one that comes up with the next change looking for another bonus?
My brother makes more money driving trucks and he is home with his family on weekends and nights. He doesn't have the stress of training ongoing every year and the threats from management wanting to re-invent the wheel, only to find out that when it aint broke don't fix it.
When a manager comes up with an idea that is reflected in changes to past work practises, does he get paid a bonus and when that idea eventually fails, does he have to pay it back? Or is he the one that comes up with the next change looking for another bonus?
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Mr Qantas,
You sound like a true believer. everything that management do is for the best in your mind. You appear to know that it's not about screwing staff to save costs even though there is waste in so many areas. You seem to know and understand that it's all about saving jobs and looking after the most important thing of all - the company. You seem to know that you need to compete with the likes of Jetstar which is supposedly cheaper than Qantas to run even though it is it's self part of Qantas and designed as a tool to make things happen jsut the way that you are talking.
let me tell you what else you know.
- You are sure that God is coming to save you - it's everyone else who is wrong
- You think the invasion of Iraq was justified and the WMD's are still out there
- Road safety campaigns aren't all about revenue - it's all about our own safety because the government has to take care of us since we can't do it ourselves
- Newspapers tell the truth
- The tooth fairy is real, and you just can't work out why Santa stopped coming when you were 18.
You sound like a true believer. everything that management do is for the best in your mind. You appear to know that it's not about screwing staff to save costs even though there is waste in so many areas. You seem to know and understand that it's all about saving jobs and looking after the most important thing of all - the company. You seem to know that you need to compete with the likes of Jetstar which is supposedly cheaper than Qantas to run even though it is it's self part of Qantas and designed as a tool to make things happen jsut the way that you are talking.
let me tell you what else you know.
- You are sure that God is coming to save you - it's everyone else who is wrong
- You think the invasion of Iraq was justified and the WMD's are still out there
- Road safety campaigns aren't all about revenue - it's all about our own safety because the government has to take care of us since we can't do it ourselves
- Newspapers tell the truth
- The tooth fairy is real, and you just can't work out why Santa stopped coming when you were 18.
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OT BAN LATEST
ALAEA President denounces overtime bans - A scathing email has been sent to the Melbourne Executive members demanding the week long overtime bans started at Melbourne Domestic Terminal end immediately. He wants all members reminded that the ALAEA will not represent any LAME disciplined by the airline for failing to work a reasonable amount of OT. He also states -
Instead the ALAEA wishes to ramp up the Jetsafe campaign that was awarded "Campaign of the Year" by the Associations own Secretary. No meetings planned with members though. 
Other Sates come on board - All major ports have ignored the Presidents message and commenced their own bans. The organisers of the action have vowed to continue untill the airline gives an ongoing commitment to the continuance of LAME prefights and Certification. LAMEs in Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have now joined in with the International sections soon to follow.
This stupidity will ruin the working relationship built up with the airline over the last decade.
Other Sates come on board - All major ports have ignored the Presidents message and commenced their own bans. The organisers of the action have vowed to continue untill the airline gives an ongoing commitment to the continuance of LAME prefights and Certification. LAMEs in Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth have now joined in with the International sections soon to follow.
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Good luck to you LAMEs.
Surely at least at this time of year, most people want to spend as much time as possible with their Families, so I would think a reasonable amount of overtime would be ZERO.
Surely at least at this time of year, most people want to spend as much time as possible with their Families, so I would think a reasonable amount of overtime would be ZERO.
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farqueue,
I wish to apoligise, for misrepresenting what you said.
But on what you said of the AMS they can now do what the LAME does, with the exception of being in 20 places at the same time. Good luck to the employers if they want to take on the members.
NOTE I DIDN"T SAY THE UNION BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY SIGNED OFF ON ANY REFORMS THAT MAY REDUCE LAMES
I wish to apoligise, for misrepresenting what you said.
But on what you said of the AMS they can now do what the LAME does, with the exception of being in 20 places at the same time. Good luck to the employers if they want to take on the members.
NOTE I DIDN"T SAY THE UNION BECAUSE THEY HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY SIGNED OFF ON ANY REFORMS THAT MAY REDUCE LAMES
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The ALAEA has lost the plot - they are doing NOTHING to protect their members from the current onslaught on pay and conditions.
I would like to have the union know that there is massive dissatisfaction amongst those of us who remain members, and most of us only stay on board for the insurance.
Looking to the future, I don't see the ALAEA as viable - it's going to disappear with its head up its own bum unless it grows a spine and stands up for its members, rather than its members employers
I would like to have the union know that there is massive dissatisfaction amongst those of us who remain members, and most of us only stay on board for the insurance.
Looking to the future, I don't see the ALAEA as viable - it's going to disappear with its head up its own bum unless it grows a spine and stands up for its members, rather than its members employers
so mr qantas..u seem to know everything!!!!....very clever fellow indeed!!.why dont u tell the rest of OUR association members what discussions have taken place about no lame transits for 737ng and a330.if u say its not going to happen...u must have information that should be shared with all association members,not just the chosen few!!..AGAIN...we all pay the same fees. we await ur response!!
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Is it true that a number of aircraft are now unservicable in Mel with no lames available to fix them? True or not it was welcome news to the Adl lames who have fully supported the bans. We have also heard that senior Qf managers met today to discuss the situation. Can you please provide us with some feedback from that meeting Mr Q.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Mr Qantas is probably enjoying a long weekend
Doesn't it indicate there's something seriously wrong in a company, when the highest salaried employees can be TOTALLY removed for a month or so, have no replacement do their work, and yet have no effect on the company's productivity?
This quip of Mr Q's - "It takes an extremly dedicated individual to move into a Management role on call 24/7" - causes me to smirk each time I read it
"on call" - to do exactly WHAT?
Any wonder management don't have unions - they could withdraw their labour indefinitely, and no-one would notice.....except the shareholders, who would be several million $$'s better off in dividends!
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I have found over the years, that things work better over these periods, without these Management types.
Then when they all return on Tuesday, they pick fault with every little thing to try to justify their positions.
Then when they all return on Tuesday, they pick fault with every little thing to try to justify their positions.
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OK losers I want a few misconsceptions cleared up.
I am not a Qantas manager. I work as a Supervisor in Line Maint. I have worked my way up over 30 odd years and have freinds on the floor and up higher. I did work over Chrismas and unlike you losers I havent been creaming all over my computer on an hourly basis. I come here once or twice a week to try and dispell the lies and misinformation that this site is now becoming inreasingly known for.
I get along well with my peers and equally my workers. I think the company eba offer is a joke like the rest of the lames but understand that something must be given in order to secure a wage rise. They cant just keep increasing our wages every year without some return from us.
The good will that has been forged by the ALAEA and Qantas should stand them in good sted and see most the company claims droped. Overtime banking (heavy maint only) looks like it will stay remembering that Avalon and Brisbane HM already do it.
Penalties on course might stay as well considering we all get a wage rise when we obtain a new rating anyway.
If the lames accept a bit of pain Im sure we could get a wage rise and maybe even a higher priority for staff travel upgrades. Something I now we all wish stayed last time it was offered. Good luck negotiating team and please spend less time slaging me on this forum and more time talking about the issues.
I am not a Qantas manager. I work as a Supervisor in Line Maint. I have worked my way up over 30 odd years and have freinds on the floor and up higher. I did work over Chrismas and unlike you losers I havent been creaming all over my computer on an hourly basis. I come here once or twice a week to try and dispell the lies and misinformation that this site is now becoming inreasingly known for.
I get along well with my peers and equally my workers. I think the company eba offer is a joke like the rest of the lames but understand that something must be given in order to secure a wage rise. They cant just keep increasing our wages every year without some return from us.
The good will that has been forged by the ALAEA and Qantas should stand them in good sted and see most the company claims droped. Overtime banking (heavy maint only) looks like it will stay remembering that Avalon and Brisbane HM already do it.
Penalties on course might stay as well considering we all get a wage rise when we obtain a new rating anyway.
If the lames accept a bit of pain Im sure we could get a wage rise and maybe even a higher priority for staff travel upgrades. Something I now we all wish stayed last time it was offered. Good luck negotiating team and please spend less time slaging me on this forum and more time talking about the issues.
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Mr. Qantas,
Whilst the award states that the LAME will do a reasonable amount of overtime it is my understanding that NO company will put an amount (in hours) what they think is a reasonable amount.
Also, how do you define a reasonable amount?
Whilst the award states that the LAME will do a reasonable amount of overtime it is my understanding that NO company will put an amount (in hours) what they think is a reasonable amount.
Also, how do you define a reasonable amount?
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i cant believe i put in 6 months work to get the overtime banking dropped, and now its in????? thank god im out of there.
Pay rates within Qantas never rose in the 11 yrs i was there! they were always below the inflation rate. in real terms, you always went backwards, and by the sounds of, your still going backwards!
30 yrs in Qf, i feel for you. im sorry.
its funny now i have been on the outside for 3 yrs, just how many fellow qf employees i meet, and most say "im a LAME now" or "i have my PE or leading hand" or whatever when i ask how they are doing, sad reality is QF qualifications mean NOTHING outside the fences of that protected litle world.
sadly Mr QF, your attitude reaks of standard QF Buls****e/ arrogance/ lack of respect that has come to by the hallmark of QF management!
Pay rates within Qantas never rose in the 11 yrs i was there! they were always below the inflation rate. in real terms, you always went backwards, and by the sounds of, your still going backwards!
30 yrs in Qf, i feel for you. im sorry.
its funny now i have been on the outside for 3 yrs, just how many fellow qf employees i meet, and most say "im a LAME now" or "i have my PE or leading hand" or whatever when i ask how they are doing, sad reality is QF qualifications mean NOTHING outside the fences of that protected litle world.
sadly Mr QF, your attitude reaks of standard QF Buls****e/ arrogance/ lack of respect that has come to by the hallmark of QF management!