Emirates now leading foreign carrier at Melbourne Airport
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Emirates now leading foreign carrier at Melbourne Airport
Emirates has become Melbourne Airport's largest foreign carrier in terms of available seats with the launch of double daily services to Dubai and New Zealand.
The second largest international carrier after Qantas, Emirates now offers more than 17,000 seats to passengers flying in and out of Melbourne.
The addition of one weekly service from Dubai to Christchurch via Melbourne means that Melbourne-based travellers can choose to fly Emirates non-stop every day to either Auckland or Christchurch .
It also means that they have the choice of two daily flights from Melbourne to Dubai: one non-stop Airbus A340-500 flight and one direct Boeing 777 flight via Singapore.
Emirates operates a total of 42 flights a week between Australia and Dubai, with this number set to rise to 49 when services from Sydney go double daily in early 2005.
9 December 2004
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Emirates now leading foreign carrier at Melbourne Airport
Emirates has become Melbourne Airport's largest foreign carrier in terms of available seats with the launch of double daily services to Dubai and New Zealand.
The second largest international carrier after Qantas, Emirates now offers more than 17,000 seats to passengers flying in and out of Melbourne.
The addition of one weekly service from Dubai to Christchurch via Melbourne means that Melbourne-based travellers can choose to fly Emirates non-stop every day to either Auckland or Christchurch .
It also means that they have the choice of two daily flights from Melbourne to Dubai: one non-stop Airbus A340-500 flight and one direct Boeing 777 flight via Singapore.
Emirates operates a total of 42 flights a week between Australia and Dubai, with this number set to rise to 49 when services from Sydney go double daily in early 2005.
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Ultralights,
We often tanker fuel into Dubai as we buy it cheaper at outstaions. Our books are open for you to inspect if you desire.
Our aircraft are leased at commercial rates. I could go on and on but it's already been done to death in this forum.
Maybe you should stick to making comments on topics you actually know something about.
CC.
We often tanker fuel into Dubai as we buy it cheaper at outstaions. Our books are open for you to inspect if you desire.
Our aircraft are leased at commercial rates. I could go on and on but it's already been done to death in this forum.
Maybe you should stick to making comments on topics you actually know something about.
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i was taking my information in Australian aviation magazin interview with Tim Clarke, President of emirates, i remebr reading that they recieve No government hand out, but also goes on to say that the dubai govt has little or no oil for revenue, so it secures its eceonomic growth with very low company tax rates to attract business and commerce, which it has done very well, he also goes on to take a few good swipes at Qf! and makes a good point. It interesting also to note that they have everything planned, aircraft, routes, frequencies, maintainence, everything out to 2012! what other airline has that kind of forward planning! he also noted Qantas hadnt amended their Indian bilateral agreement in 30 yrs! emirates amends theirs every 2 weeks!!!
he also mentiones QF dormant grandfather rights! what exactly are these?
he also mentiones QF dormant grandfather rights! what exactly are these?
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Ultralights.
Grandfather rights refer to a route capacity arrangement that was negotiated years ago, for instance when intercontinental aeroplane services simply HAD to stop at Dubai, Bombay or Calcutta due to limited range.
Unless rescinded, these rights can effectively be reactivated at any time, hence if QF had an arrangement wit the UAE for reciprical passenger uplift, then it is most likely still valid and they could start up the port pair again with a minimum of red tape.
As for EK in the last 6 months I have had the pleasure to do 3 legs with them on 777 equipment in J class. AKL MEL and MEL SIN MEL. All excellent with great service. The interesting one was SIN MEL during Rammadan - the flight didn't roll unti 1520 out of SIN and we scored the aisle with the UAE crew members. Poor buggers were so strung out from not eating since sunup that they were nearly asleep on their feet.
Grandfather rights were also one way that East-West got around the 2 airline agreement with the "charters" they traditionally operated SYD OOL and SYD HBA.
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Grandfather rights refer to a route capacity arrangement that was negotiated years ago, for instance when intercontinental aeroplane services simply HAD to stop at Dubai, Bombay or Calcutta due to limited range.
Unless rescinded, these rights can effectively be reactivated at any time, hence if QF had an arrangement wit the UAE for reciprical passenger uplift, then it is most likely still valid and they could start up the port pair again with a minimum of red tape.
As for EK in the last 6 months I have had the pleasure to do 3 legs with them on 777 equipment in J class. AKL MEL and MEL SIN MEL. All excellent with great service. The interesting one was SIN MEL during Rammadan - the flight didn't roll unti 1520 out of SIN and we scored the aisle with the UAE crew members. Poor buggers were so strung out from not eating since sunup that they were nearly asleep on their feet.
Grandfather rights were also one way that East-West got around the 2 airline agreement with the "charters" they traditionally operated SYD OOL and SYD HBA.
Best regards
EWL
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Well, it just goes to show that if you provide a quality service (new aircraft, double daily frequency etc) the punters will flock to you. QF have been SYD-centric for so long & are perhaps too cautious to see an opportunity. AN was much the same.
Long term, who knows. EK may "burn" out after a decade or so & QF may have the last laugh...the suspense is killing me!
Long term, who knows. EK may "burn" out after a decade or so & QF may have the last laugh...the suspense is killing me!
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Inerestingly EWL the fasting rules do not apply when travelling. It is not required and they should be taking sufficient sustenance to be in shape to do their jobs...it's a common misconception and one management are loath to address.
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Interesting indeed Chimbu.
I raised this in conversation on a recent QF Holidays Educational (read very enjoyable junket) to Cape tribulation.
The others on the trip, most of whom I knew seemed to all have a similar Rammadan travel story.
They were very pleasant, but obviously struggling a little. The Brit girls on the port aisle were through J before the UAE crew got past the 3rd row, and they were doing the middle seat as well.
No matter, it was an enjoyable experience.
I will also add that QF and the A330 amazed me. Went up J to Cairns, back in Y.
Crew was great, catering exemplary and the aeroplane is absolutely one of the best I have flown on as SLF. 300 series up and 200 back. It is nice to see that the crew no longer have to apologise for the catering. Most impressed Mr Rat.
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I raised this in conversation on a recent QF Holidays Educational (read very enjoyable junket) to Cape tribulation.
The others on the trip, most of whom I knew seemed to all have a similar Rammadan travel story.
They were very pleasant, but obviously struggling a little. The Brit girls on the port aisle were through J before the UAE crew got past the 3rd row, and they were doing the middle seat as well.
No matter, it was an enjoyable experience.
I will also add that QF and the A330 amazed me. Went up J to Cairns, back in Y.
Crew was great, catering exemplary and the aeroplane is absolutely one of the best I have flown on as SLF. 300 series up and 200 back. It is nice to see that the crew no longer have to apologise for the catering. Most impressed Mr Rat.
Best all
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Hmmm... interesting to note though that Qantas was approached by EK 10 years ago to code share through Dubai.... QF in its inimitable way scoffed at them and turned the opportunity down!!!!
My how they have come to regret that one hey. (source also is Tim Clarke’s Interview).
Go Emirates; take as many seats from the rat as you can!!!
My how they have come to regret that one hey. (source also is Tim Clarke’s Interview).
Go Emirates; take as many seats from the rat as you can!!!
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during a recent trip to melbourne i flew emirates, bloody lovely servcie, and cheap
i did a search on the net before hand, qantas came in at around $600 (for 3hrs in a clapped out 737), air nz was $500, pacific blue $400, and emirates came in at $389, the a340-500 was spotless, food was great and the cameras were cool.
i did a search on the net before hand, qantas came in at around $600 (for 3hrs in a clapped out 737), air nz was $500, pacific blue $400, and emirates came in at $389, the a340-500 was spotless, food was great and the cameras were cool.
I guess that seeing as they are struggling to find passengers for the sector they feel they can afford to virtually 'give away' seats...
The Fin Review recently quoted the Emirates trans tasman flights as being the poorest performing in terms of load factors of all the sectors flown by the major airlines into/out of Australia, with an average load factor of just 21% - that's a lot of empty seats on the Airbus
The Fin Review recently quoted the Emirates trans tasman flights as being the poorest performing in terms of load factors of all the sectors flown by the major airlines into/out of Australia, with an average load factor of just 21% - that's a lot of empty seats on the Airbus
It doesn't matter to EK how many pax they haul back and forth across the Tasman, they are only on the route for the freight.
MEL-CHC has gone from 3x Weekly to 6x Weekly and now daily in the 5 months since they launched the route.
Also EK add 3x weekly DXB-BKK-SYD from 29 Mar 05 increasing to daily from 01 May 05 with B777-300, probably send these flights across as well
MEL-CHC has gone from 3x Weekly to 6x Weekly and now daily in the 5 months since they launched the route.
Also EK add 3x weekly DXB-BKK-SYD from 29 Mar 05 increasing to daily from 01 May 05 with B777-300, probably send these flights across as well
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The bottom line is the Emirates aircraft were flying to Australia from Dubai, and sitting on the ground through the day waiting to leave that night, so the jump across the Tasman and back, is the cherry on top for Emirates. Even if the loads are low, at the moment, it really is not a huge concern to them.
Qantas can scream all they like about unfair competition, government assistance, and an unfair playing field, but the bottom line is that people will fly with whoever delivers. You fly Emirates, and you are always in a modern aircraft, with a fantastic inflight entertainment package. You fly direct (alot of the time) from the Oz destination to Dubai, and then have a fast connection to almost any destination in Europe. And heaven forbid your connection is delayed, you get to sit in the mini Irish Village Pub at Dubai airport and have a pint or 3. Hmmm I can't see why they are doing so well.
Qantas can scream all they like about unfair competition, government assistance, and an unfair playing field, but the bottom line is that people will fly with whoever delivers. You fly Emirates, and you are always in a modern aircraft, with a fantastic inflight entertainment package. You fly direct (alot of the time) from the Oz destination to Dubai, and then have a fast connection to almost any destination in Europe. And heaven forbid your connection is delayed, you get to sit in the mini Irish Village Pub at Dubai airport and have a pint or 3. Hmmm I can't see why they are doing so well.
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You fly Emirates, and you are always in a modern aircraft, with a fantastic inflight entertainment package.
The "fantastic inflight entertainment package" is great in theory. How often does it function flawlessly?
A jump across the Tasman is hardly a cherry if it costs them money.
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You're missing the point, the pax are the icing, the route makes money on freight. NZ exporters can send perrishables non stop to the middle east or one stop to Europe. Previously their dairy/lamb etc would be off loaded at least twice. This is a big advantage for the exporters and they are making use of it.
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I can only say from personal experience, reference the inflight entertainment, but going on a 747-200 with Cathay and watching the movie on the shared (not so) big screen that you are told to watch, or on an A330,B777, or A340 where you choose the movie you want to watch when you want, in the seatback screen, I know which I would choose. Never had a glitch personally. And while the B777-200's and A340-300's may be not new, I have found them to be well maintained, unlike some other carriers.
As max AB said the freight direct to the Middle East is a huge plus, not only for Emirates, but for primary producers in Oz and NZ. Just go down to the Supermarkets here, and see all the Oz and NZ lamb and beef for sale and you can see what a huge market it is here. And best of all I can buy Vita Brits here now, and not those dodgy British Weetabix
As max AB said the freight direct to the Middle East is a huge plus, not only for Emirates, but for primary producers in Oz and NZ. Just go down to the Supermarkets here, and see all the Oz and NZ lamb and beef for sale and you can see what a huge market it is here. And best of all I can buy Vita Brits here now, and not those dodgy British Weetabix
