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airport security hitlers
I dont know if i can say hitlers on here, but anyway reading V100PS comment on the read it and weep folks thread I was wondering if anyone else who is a pilot with an ASIC card has had to go through the hoops. Before anyone says anything about them terrosists boarding my plane and so on, they do do a good job but some and only a few go overboard. Recently at Canberra I had to remove shoes, belt and all other things metal. While at another airport I was waved through. Another crew went through the screening process and had there nail files etc taken off them only to be returned to the captain at the aircraft. Go figure. Anyway has anyone else had a similar incident.
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AS and DN airports are good for that type of personal derobe stuff
There is an intensity setting on the security door frames they use but I am guessing they have turned the dial to 11 after 911.
I go through the side doors now with appropriate security cards, retinal scan, full internal inspection and so on.
There is an intensity setting on the security door frames they use but I am guessing they have turned the dial to 11 after 911.
I go through the side doors now with appropriate security cards, retinal scan, full internal inspection and so on.
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Yeah Darwin has also given me greef. the chick was giving me a laugh as i said to the other crew now listen to one else has any knifes or handgradnades etc.
all good fun.
Yeah Darwin has also given me greef. the chick was giving me a laugh as i said to the other crew now listen to one else has any knifes or handgradnades etc.
all good fun.
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The easiest way, is go through airside entrance, swipe card and hey presto, me, my leatherman and swiss army knife are all out on the tarmac without having to derobe.
Cheers, HH.
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Good luck getting even a sharpened mango thru Melbourne. Even thru the loading dock entrance, only way is thru the turnstiles by the canteen.
Although I had to laugh at the loading dock the other week, tradies taking their tool belts off, then putting them thru the x-ray with screwdrivers, stanley knives etc, the putting them back on and wandering off airside.
Although I had to laugh at the loading dock the other week, tradies taking their tool belts off, then putting them thru the x-ray with screwdrivers, stanley knives etc, the putting them back on and wandering off airside.
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Pimp Daddy,
Yep, that's the way!!
Cheers, HH.
only way is thru the turnstiles by the canteen.
Cheers, HH.
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Yes well that's all very fine Gentlemen; now let's put ourselves in the security peoples shoes for a second.
What is their training? ie what have they actually been told to do or look for?
How much training have they actually recieved before being put out on 'the front line'?
Have they recieved adequate training to be able to dismiss or ignore smart arsed comments about hand grenades or pistols etc from passengers they have to screen? Not to mention outright hostility from some members of the public whom apparently think that some laws, whilst seemingly necessary to protect them from possible harm should not neccessarily apply to themselves.
And finally, do you have any idea of their pay scale?
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What is their training? ie what have they actually been told to do or look for?
How much training have they actually recieved before being put out on 'the front line'?
Have they recieved adequate training to be able to dismiss or ignore smart arsed comments about hand grenades or pistols etc from passengers they have to screen? Not to mention outright hostility from some members of the public whom apparently think that some laws, whilst seemingly necessary to protect them from possible harm should not neccessarily apply to themselves.
And finally, do you have any idea of their pay scale?
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PTP,
Well said. Did a little bit of security work about 20 yrs ago. Not to mention countless guard duties during 21 yrs in the army. (many of them extra training my SSM thought I needed
For civvies, it is a thankless, mind numbing, sh1t paid job. But from my many experiences of travel out of oz, the courtesy and respect you receive from them is commensurate with what you show.
Be thankful people you do not have the kind of security and staff that plague the airports in West Africa.
At least in Oz they don't demand you open your wallet and ask "do you have anything for me?"
Well said. Did a little bit of security work about 20 yrs ago. Not to mention countless guard duties during 21 yrs in the army. (many of them extra training my SSM thought I needed
For civvies, it is a thankless, mind numbing, sh1t paid job. But from my many experiences of travel out of oz, the courtesy and respect you receive from them is commensurate with what you show.
Be thankful people you do not have the kind of security and staff that plague the airports in West Africa.
At least in Oz they don't demand you open your wallet and ask "do you have anything for me?"
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I don’t know why we even bother with these ASIC cards, as they are obviously completely useless.
I wanted to get a Coffee @ DRW last week around 12:30am and “beep!” The Troglodyte in the security uniform pounced on me immediately and demanded that I remove my watch, shoes and wings! Faced with this idiotic demand I simply returned a smile to the expressionless simpleton grasping the wand, turned around and walked off. I’m sure his grade 8 education was stretched to its limits as he tried to understand my actions. I entered using the aerobridge airside—easy!
The renta Thugs @ SYD are in my opinion the worst.
Why is it that if we are in uniform and hold a valid ASIC card, we are not simply waived through? I have seen AA pilot’s @ LAX walk straight through “beep!!!” and then the screening of pax recommences. The TSA seem quite happy with this; and this is the home of 9-11.
Aercom is correct to describe these assholes as “Airport Security Hitlers!’
These people should be trained and screened like the TSA; then perhaps with the aid of pictures we can help them identify aircrew.
I wanted to get a Coffee @ DRW last week around 12:30am and “beep!” The Troglodyte in the security uniform pounced on me immediately and demanded that I remove my watch, shoes and wings! Faced with this idiotic demand I simply returned a smile to the expressionless simpleton grasping the wand, turned around and walked off. I’m sure his grade 8 education was stretched to its limits as he tried to understand my actions. I entered using the aerobridge airside—easy!
The renta Thugs @ SYD are in my opinion the worst.
Why is it that if we are in uniform and hold a valid ASIC card, we are not simply waived through? I have seen AA pilot’s @ LAX walk straight through “beep!!!” and then the screening of pax recommences. The TSA seem quite happy with this; and this is the home of 9-11.
Aercom is correct to describe these assholes as “Airport Security Hitlers!’
These people should be trained and screened like the TSA; then perhaps with the aid of pictures we can help them identify aircrew.
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PTP yep!
also did security many years back so know the drill
Also know many security people couldn't rub two brain cells together!!
Yes we know they have a job to do and blah blah....
Why after all the security sreening do you get a KNIFE and fork in the canteen when they have now got countless boxes of nail files, bottle openers etc all from security screening.
Is there some form of perverse logic to this?
(excuse any spelling as its in the middle of the night here)
also did security many years back so know the drill
Also know many security people couldn't rub two brain cells together!!
Yes we know they have a job to do and blah blah....
Why after all the security sreening do you get a KNIFE and fork in the canteen when they have now got countless boxes of nail files, bottle openers etc all from security screening.
Is there some form of perverse logic to this?
(excuse any spelling as its in the middle of the night here)
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Quite simple.
As has been said here before, don't bother passing through the terminal with the riff raff.
That is why you have an asic.
Swipe through airside without even bothering the group 4 monkeys.
As has been said here before, don't bother passing through the terminal with the riff raff.
That is why you have an asic.
Swipe through airside without even bothering the group 4 monkeys.
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funny thing, boarded flight SYD to BNE, usual beeps, wand over the shoes showed them my car keys, wand all over, clear to go, no disrobing (this time) arrive BNE, then went downstairs to board a Dash 8 to Bundy, within 2 mins i was practically naked! shoes off, belt off, empty every pocket, jumper off!........... if i was going to hijack anything, i wouldnt choose a Dash 8.
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My personal view is that the security regime is way over the top. If one has an ASIC, then one should be "waived through".
Given that my personal view holds no water with DOTARS or the Federal Govt. what you did by entering a sterile area through the aerobridge without being security screened was an offence. DOTARS carry out audits of various ports and raise all sorts of hell when they catch some one doing similar things.
Regretably we (aircrew/eng/airline staff) can only enter a sterlie area without being screened in the direct pursuit of our jobs. That is, we can go to the POCO office, or the boarding gate to board, BUT we CAN't go to the coffee shop as well!
My personal view is that the security regime is way over the top. If one has an ASIC, then one should be "waived through".
Given that my personal view holds no water with DOTARS or the Federal Govt. what you did by entering a sterile area through the aerobridge without being security screened was an offence. DOTARS carry out audits of various ports and raise all sorts of hell when they catch some one doing similar things.
Regretably we (aircrew/eng/airline staff) can only enter a sterlie area without being screened in the direct pursuit of our jobs. That is, we can go to the POCO office, or the boarding gate to board, BUT we CAN't go to the coffee shop as well!
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The thing that realy annoys me about securitar is that it has been thrust upon us by people who are only motivated to increase the viability of their industry. The securitar people say 11/9 and puffed out their chests with their new found ability to control others, and we have let them get away with it.
The next thing that annoys me about it all is that the government siezed the moment as well with a view to take total control over peoples lives, under the guise that it will be safer for us all - even though we were already safe, and the only thing that has made us unsafe has been out prime ministers flag waving in other peoples countries.
Aonther thing that annoys me is that the securitar at airports is entirely a farce - the only people who are subject to it are the fare paying passengers, whilst there is essentially NO securitar on the ground where the most damage can be done - yet PAX are strip searched and treated as guilty until proven innocent in the terminal. This goes to show that the so called threat doesn't exist and that if it did it would have been done by now with ease.
History - if it is still allowed to be written truthfully in the future will show how the governments of the day have siezed on paronoia to kill civil liberty and freedom in this period. Gattaca here we come.
The next thing that annoys me about it all is that the government siezed the moment as well with a view to take total control over peoples lives, under the guise that it will be safer for us all - even though we were already safe, and the only thing that has made us unsafe has been out prime ministers flag waving in other peoples countries.
Aonther thing that annoys me is that the securitar at airports is entirely a farce - the only people who are subject to it are the fare paying passengers, whilst there is essentially NO securitar on the ground where the most damage can be done - yet PAX are strip searched and treated as guilty until proven innocent in the terminal. This goes to show that the so called threat doesn't exist and that if it did it would have been done by now with ease.
History - if it is still allowed to be written truthfully in the future will show how the governments of the day have siezed on paronoia to kill civil liberty and freedom in this period. Gattaca here we come.
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I was picking up my pax off the burner and attempting to get them through securitar and out into the 'sterile' area where my trusty spamcan was parked. The usual regional airport scenario.
The surveyer pax had to open his case of tricks to be examined, fair enough, but the securitar guy just looked at all the surveying type equipment with a vacant stare and said, "What's all this stuff?"
Surveyer pax said, "Well this is my theodolite and this...."
Securitar guy then turned to me and said, "Will this be going in the hold?" I then advised him that if the area behind the back seat constituted a hold then the answer was yes. I got an even more vacant stare, but we got through.
The surveyer pax had to open his case of tricks to be examined, fair enough, but the securitar guy just looked at all the surveying type equipment with a vacant stare and said, "What's all this stuff?"
Surveyer pax said, "Well this is my theodolite and this...."
Securitar guy then turned to me and said, "Will this be going in the hold?" I then advised him that if the area behind the back seat constituted a hold then the answer was yes. I got an even more vacant stare, but we got through.
So someone walks up to the security checkpoint wearing a pilots uniform and a red card with his pic on it (a "valid ASIC"?) and simply gets waved through... because "I'm a pilot n I shouldn't have to be subjected to this degrading procedure!"
Then he passes on his terrorist DIY kit to his mate boarding the next aircraft. What a brilliant idea!
Then he passes on his terrorist DIY kit to his mate boarding the next aircraft. What a brilliant idea!
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Nobody has said that ggrowler but some consistency would be nice. Without mentioning job descriptions, why dont some airside staff endure this crap while others have to?
Looking for sinister objects is pointless...... We all need to be looking for sinister minds!
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Looking for sinister objects is pointless...... We all need to be looking for sinister minds!
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Mr Buzzy, yes, BankAngle50 has said that:
The inconsistencies are a problem, like how I can walk straight through the detector in Sydney wearing my shoes, yet in Cairns have to take them off, or in Perth I was told I could carry as many ciggy lighters as I wanted on my person, but not in checked bags, but in Sydney was told the exact opposite. Or that pax from almost any regional port could board a citybound flight carrying an uzi if they wanted to.
What needs to be remembered is that it is an attempt to increase the safety of our flights, not inconvenience us.
Why is it that if we are in uniform and hold a valid ASIC card, we are not simply waived through?
What needs to be remembered is that it is an attempt to increase the safety of our flights, not inconvenience us.
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I keep telling you to give up smoking PAF!
If you guys reckon it's bad in Oz, try going through LAX. It's a struggle to retain your sense of humour. Also pointless I guess, as the yanks don't understand it anyway.
If you guys reckon it's bad in Oz, try going through LAX. It's a struggle to retain your sense of humour. Also pointless I guess, as the yanks don't understand it anyway.