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I fully agree DM, I did that all weekend! But you know what really gets up my nose? :- That we cant convince them they are so wrong in their recruited practices.
I met the guy in charge of getting the J* pilot profile together........and I know it's not his fault........but he had not a clue...the same company did the QF and AN profiles........
Why was it again that TAA never had these type of tests?
I met the guy in charge of getting the J* pilot profile together........and I know it's not his fault........but he had not a clue...the same company did the QF and AN profiles........
Why was it again that TAA never had these type of tests?
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Douglas McDonnell,
About the"Brain Bender" component of the Jetstar interview, is this the same phsyc test done by QF mainline or have jetstar gone out on their own with this one?
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About the"Brain Bender" component of the Jetstar interview, is this the same phsyc test done by QF mainline or have jetstar gone out on their own with this one?
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J* tried to do it their way but Mother QF said No! So essentially it is the same bullsh1t. There is one extra component about "getting on with people" but it is still HR bull.
Contact Alteon (alteontraining.com) in BNE for current cost of 717 rating. But I would contact someone inside J* before you do it.........
Contact Alteon (alteontraining.com) in BNE for current cost of 717 rating. But I would contact someone inside J* before you do it.........
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Yes its a very simmilar phsyc test to the mainline one. I guess its job is to weed out the non applicable full time equivilents. (bean counter speak for employed pilots.)
The problem with these tests is that they are subjectively biased towards the "ideal candidate". This could be anything from Heavy metal band members to Transvestites applying for Mothers club membership. For an organisation that is facing a rather large pilot shortage for both types of aircraft to be knocking back experienced captains due to this rubbish, whilst flogging current employees is, quite frankly, crazy.
The white coaters have got this one wrong. Are all " ordained test passes" issued with their compulsary slip on boots?
Yours whilst studdying hard for the peg in the hole test, DM
The problem with these tests is that they are subjectively biased towards the "ideal candidate". This could be anything from Heavy metal band members to Transvestites applying for Mothers club membership. For an organisation that is facing a rather large pilot shortage for both types of aircraft to be knocking back experienced captains due to this rubbish, whilst flogging current employees is, quite frankly, crazy.
The white coaters have got this one wrong. Are all " ordained test passes" issued with their compulsary slip on boots?
Yours whilst studdying hard for the peg in the hole test, DM
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Gnadenburg asks:
What? Any pilot happy with his lot? In which parallel universe would that be 
?
Most of the blokes and blokettes I know have a very highly tuned "grass is greener over there" sensor!
Or are they happy with their lot back in Australia?
?Most of the blokes and blokettes I know have a very highly tuned "grass is greener over there" sensor!
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The brain bender test has apparently been a bastard to get through and has so far scrubbed Mainline, EAA and ex Ansett guys
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I am a former AN skipper who works overseas and have fairly recently received a job offer from Jetstar. I will tell you what I know about the selection process.
The process is the same as QF mainline apart from their being a " group exercise " for Jetstar. So the process is psych and skills, group ex , sim, and interview. The sim ex doesn't need to be explained. The interview was highly geared to finding out what makes you tick, and what you are like as a person . There were no technical or company questions at all. Very much giving examples and explaining how you reacted to various situations in the past- I enjoyed the IV. The people doing the interviews were very nice and professional.
For the psych and skills : As an experienced pilot I didn't need to do the skills test. However I had to do the four aptitude tests(maths , verbal, spatial , abstract) - which are exactly the same as those for QF mainline. My wife(bless her heart ) spotted an advert for a training company called PATS - which trains people to
pass these tests. I attended their one day course. To say it was excellent would be an understatement - the guy running the course knew the QF tests backwards, forwards, and sideways. It was the best course I have ever attended- and as an old AN fart I have attended many. Without doing this course I thing I would have struggled to answer 1/3 to 1/2 of the questions-and would not have a present job offer. When I did the test I answered around 90% of all questions - and reckon I got 90% of those I answered correct. My advice - you would be mad not to do this course(www.****************** [email protected])- I am very grateful to this company because without them I would have been stuck in Asia for a long time.
Then there was the " group exercise " - this is conducted in front of two staff from shl. It wasn't bad fun. One staff member gives the brief and the other one just writes the whole time. The tasks vary from getting your group to come up with a plan to manage a complex task . Each person is given specific roles depending on the particular task . For the task in my group we were given one hour. Typical tasks include coming up with a plan to start a discount airline, or managing a fire/explosion on an offshore oil rig( that pipes gas to an onshore facility). For the airline people are given different tasks such as marketing manager, ops manager etc . For the offshore scenario people are given roles as onshore facility manager , helicopter manager , fireboat manager, company ceo etc. I enjoyed the exercise don't worry if you don't get it finished in the allocated time - my group didn't. The key is how you interact with other people .
So goodluck to all applying for jobs with this company , and I look forward to meeting you.
JN
The process is the same as QF mainline apart from their being a " group exercise " for Jetstar. So the process is psych and skills, group ex , sim, and interview. The sim ex doesn't need to be explained. The interview was highly geared to finding out what makes you tick, and what you are like as a person . There were no technical or company questions at all. Very much giving examples and explaining how you reacted to various situations in the past- I enjoyed the IV. The people doing the interviews were very nice and professional.
For the psych and skills : As an experienced pilot I didn't need to do the skills test. However I had to do the four aptitude tests(maths , verbal, spatial , abstract) - which are exactly the same as those for QF mainline. My wife(bless her heart ) spotted an advert for a training company called PATS - which trains people to
pass these tests. I attended their one day course. To say it was excellent would be an understatement - the guy running the course knew the QF tests backwards, forwards, and sideways. It was the best course I have ever attended- and as an old AN fart I have attended many. Without doing this course I thing I would have struggled to answer 1/3 to 1/2 of the questions-and would not have a present job offer. When I did the test I answered around 90% of all questions - and reckon I got 90% of those I answered correct. My advice - you would be mad not to do this course(www.****************** [email protected])- I am very grateful to this company because without them I would have been stuck in Asia for a long time.
Then there was the " group exercise " - this is conducted in front of two staff from shl. It wasn't bad fun. One staff member gives the brief and the other one just writes the whole time. The tasks vary from getting your group to come up with a plan to manage a complex task . Each person is given specific roles depending on the particular task . For the task in my group we were given one hour. Typical tasks include coming up with a plan to start a discount airline, or managing a fire/explosion on an offshore oil rig( that pipes gas to an onshore facility). For the airline people are given different tasks such as marketing manager, ops manager etc . For the offshore scenario people are given roles as onshore facility manager , helicopter manager , fireboat manager, company ceo etc. I enjoyed the exercise don't worry if you don't get it finished in the allocated time - my group didn't. The key is how you interact with other people .
So goodluck to all applying for jobs with this company , and I look forward to meeting you.
JN
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Gidday DM. The EAA applicants (to date) have been reviewed (flying wise) via the FT-9 system, and haven't required sim rides. There's quite a lot of data (up to 8 years worth of checks) in the system on most of the guys and girls that are applying via the EOI.
The JQ assessors should be on line soon with the 767 sim.
The S&P is a bastard
and knocks out a lot of good people....Thank Christ it's not retrospective for all of us........
The JQ assessors should be on line soon with the 767 sim.
The S&P is a bastard
and knocks out a lot of good people....Thank Christ it's not retrospective for all of us........
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Jetstar newbie....
Couldn't agree more about the PATS course, I did it a couple of months ago in preparation for EAA S&P. Passed with flying colours and fared alot better than others sitting on the same day.
Given that we have all spent tens of thousands of dollars and years of sacrifice to get where we are now i wrecken another $250 is money well spent.
Couldn't agree more about the PATS course, I did it a couple of months ago in preparation for EAA S&P. Passed with flying colours and fared alot better than others sitting on the same day.
Given that we have all spent tens of thousands of dollars and years of sacrifice to get where we are now i wrecken another $250 is money well spent.
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Hi there jarse. I wasnt aware of the sim ride review. I thought there were already a few guys doing their endorsement and were about ready to start line training soon.
DM
DM
Does all this mean that newbies at EAA or Sunnies who have already done the S & P testing to get in to EAA or Sunnies will have to do all the testing and interview again to get into JQ in future or will that depend on how we went first time around?
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Although I don't work for any of the Qantas subsidiaries, my crystal ball says, if you reeeeaalllly want a job with Jet*, don't take one with Sunnies or Eastern. And try doing a search on related threads about regional pilots having difficulties geting a go with big brother. 
So the fact that l prefer to live in the woods with the 3 bears
compared to a grotty pommie housing estate must mean l would stuff the nutter test ! BA had the same problem when recruiting the hitler youth (cadets),forgot to ask if they actually like flying.
compared to a grotty pommie housing estate must mean l would stuff the nutter test ! BA had the same problem when recruiting the hitler youth (cadets),forgot to ask if they actually like flying.
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Hey Willie,
The lines of interchangeability are becoming more blurred, as IMHO the QF group heads slowly towards centralised recruiting. Already EAA has exempted candidates who have successfully completed various components (S&P, sim ride etc) in the past for other companies within the group. I think that makes sense.
Now JQ is following a similar road, probably at the direction of QF.
Personally, I reckon interchangeability is a good thing. Repeating (previous successfully completed) tests only results in increased inconvenience and cost to both the candidate and company (not to mention stress
) for little gain.
Willie, in answer to your question, I reckon it depends on JQ's HR policy. I suspect it will depend on several factors, including how long ago you did the S&P and sim ride (and whether the sim ride was done in the Microflite or one of the jet sims). If they are considered "current", then you might only have to do the group and individual interviews.
"Sources" indicate that JQ are focussing more on regional Capts via the EOI (at the moment), and some of those have no S&P/sim ride history (although there is a lot of FT-9 data available on these Capts). Therefore, some of these people may have to do one or both, as well as the interviews.
You could always apply "externally"
The lines of interchangeability are becoming more blurred, as IMHO the QF group heads slowly towards centralised recruiting. Already EAA has exempted candidates who have successfully completed various components (S&P, sim ride etc) in the past for other companies within the group. I think that makes sense.
Now JQ is following a similar road, probably at the direction of QF.
Personally, I reckon interchangeability is a good thing. Repeating (previous successfully completed) tests only results in increased inconvenience and cost to both the candidate and company (not to mention stress
) for little gain.Willie, in answer to your question, I reckon it depends on JQ's HR policy. I suspect it will depend on several factors, including how long ago you did the S&P and sim ride (and whether the sim ride was done in the Microflite or one of the jet sims). If they are considered "current", then you might only have to do the group and individual interviews.
"Sources" indicate that JQ are focussing more on regional Capts via the EOI (at the moment), and some of those have no S&P/sim ride history (although there is a lot of FT-9 data available on these Capts). Therefore, some of these people may have to do one or both, as well as the interviews.
You could always apply "externally"
Thanks Hugh Jarse,
Thats great news for people like me, although I think for the time being I will send notification to all the Big brothers that I will be sitting tight for the time being as it would be a little disloyal to talk about moving on right now. I just hope that they dont forget about guys like me.
Willie
Thats great news for people like me, although I think for the time being I will send notification to all the Big brothers that I will be sitting tight for the time being as it would be a little disloyal to talk about moving on right now. I just hope that they dont forget about guys like me.
Willie
